clint van damme
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I've read some bollocks on here but that's right up there
Its not but it seems some of our fans are emotionally scarred from the SISU years and scared to actually want to be better.
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Have to agree with this take, although I see both sides of the argument. If Doug is expecting Play Offs in 3 of the next 5 years then to expect that on a bottom 3 wage structure would be delusional. MR has worked absolute wonders with this club, but eventually the branch will break if not properly supported.
If DK is genuine in his claims, then paying for Hamer should be top of his priorities.
I actually think people are too blase about us losing Gyokeres. Losing him would be a massive, massive issue in terms of filling what he's given us, so consistently, the past two seasons. It's also arguable that teams doubling, trebling up on Gyokeres has given Hamer the space to excel. If we lose Goyokeres and they switch their attention to Hamer, will he do as well? tbf if he did, then he would truly be exceptional but it's asking a lot, and would probably be unreasonable.I don't think that's the point really. You cannot take 32 goals and 21 assists out of a side in one summer, it would be disastrous. Parallel with the summer of 2000 where we lost Keane and McAllister.
Well thats the point, thats what we want the owner to do otherwise there's no point in him owning the club.If he pays for him out of his own pocket or without overstretching the club financially then crack on.
Even later on… when we lost King and Gunarsson…Losing Gyokeres and Hamer would be like losing Keane and McAllister and that went well... oh wait...
Well thats the point, thats what we want the owner to do otherwise there's no point in him owning the club.
The higher we go the player quality pool becomes smaller and you’re competing against these teams for the same playersWe can’t and shouldn’t try to compete with clubs that have got more cash (or willing to risk going bust). If someone would rather go to one of those then fair enough. West Brom are apparently in the shit financially though. I’d probably only say Boro is possibly a more attractive option from watching last season (maybe I’m a bit biased though). If a player wants to accept more in wages now that’s their call, some will look at other aspects/bigger picture though….location, style/culture of club, can manager improve them, formation/how they might fit in etc
Losing Gyokeres and Hamer would be like losing Keane and McAllister and that went well... oh wait...
He doesn't strike me as that sort of owner and to be fair to him hasn't at any point insinuated that he will.
The higher we go the player quality pool becomes smaller and you’re competing against these teams for the same players
Sunderland, Middlesbrough, Blackburn are more attractive options as would millwall (the London aspects) they’re also going to pay more
if the ambition is the same at all these clubs - the next metric is wages.
I actually think people are too blase about us losing Gyokeres. Losing him would be a massive, massive issue in terms of filling what he's given us, so consistently, the past two seasons. It's also arguable that teams doubling, trebling up on Gyokeres has given Hamer the space to excel. If we lose Goyokeres and they switch their attention to Hamer, will he do as well? tbf if he did, then he would truly be exceptional but it's asking a lot, and would probably be unreasonable.
I'd have hopes that we could strengthen the team overall though - might need a season of bedding in so I'd fully expect to see growing pains, but then it's asking an awful lot for both Gyokeres and Hamer to do so well for us and play so many games next season if they were still here next season I couldn't see us getting near the playoffs next season if they stayed either, as this season really is, rationally, a one-off with the team we have.
And back in't day once we signed Hartson in that season we were... alright, but it was too late. Watching us launch long kicks up to Bellamy was laughable really, and Strachan showed himself totally unadaptable. Robins might not change much during games, but with Viveash he's shown himself flexible in changing the way the team plays to fit with the players we have. Not saying it's easy, but frankly I find the thought of missing Gyokeres's punch and dynamism far worse and far more of a challenge. We're going to have to change system and style really, because we just won't find the same.
I’d argue they’re more stable club, with more money to play with, and former premier league winners.Blackburn more attractive?!
We're plucking figures about what is a viable pay him what he wants out the air though!Im not sure anyone’s blasé about losing Vik. It’s more the fact that there is no way we can keep him. As a 20+ goal striker, not to mention assists he can command a massive wage elsewhere and has suggested he would want to go if we didn’t get promoted (understandably)
People are focussed on Hamer as they feel he’s got a bit more loyalty to the club and have latched onto the rumour he would stay if we pay him 20k per week. We all know this could be BS and/or if a decent Prem club comes in offering 30k+ for him its irrelevant anyway but we can but dream
I’d argue they’re more stable club, with more money to play with, and former premier league winners.
They’ve also been around the play offs for a few seasons now
Historically a more successful club aswell - yes they’ve had a few bad years, but they own Ewood park for a start.Money, I get that, but anything else, don't see it myself.
We're plucking figures about what is a viable pay him what he wants out the air though!
Money, I get that, but anything else, don't see it myself.
Also struggling with the concept of Millwall as attractive! Tbf we should all aspire to end up with our own Steve Gibson, just with a better judgement on managers.Money, I get that, but anything else, don't see it myself.
Historically a more successful club aswell - yes they’ve had a few bad years, but they own Ewood park for a start.
we might be off on our travels in 5 years time
even if you take Blackburn out the other mentioned clubs are far more attractive
More money and the lure of living in London is far more attractive then shacking up in Bedworth and having a go in the craven street runAlso struggling with the concept of Millwall as attractive! Tbf we should all aspire to end up with our own Steve Gibson, just with a better judgement on managers.
Free chicken ?
Deal breaker!
Coventry are more attractive than millwall , and blackburn won their trophies 99% before we invented the wheel .. they were a flash in the pan under walker and have shit support , wanky little clubMore money and the lure of living in London is far more attractive then shacking up in Bedworth and having a go in the craven street run
Living near Millwall is an attraction?!?More money and the lure of living in London is far more attractive then shacking up in Bedworth and having a go in the craven street run
I was exaggerating of course - the option of higher wages and living in London is obliviously a bigger pull than leamingtonLiving near Millwall is an attraction?!?
In what way? Blackburn have been in the premier league more recently than us, they’ll be offering higher wages than us - they won the league cup in 2002.Coventry are more attractive than millwall , and blackburn won their trophies 99% before we invented the wheel .. they were a flash in the pan under walker and have shit support , wanky little club
Me too.Separately 'liking' this bit of the post.
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While it would be nice to pretend otherwise, our performance last season is no more a model of success in the Championship than Leicester’s was in the 2016 Premier League.We literally just got to the playoff final without spending stupid money on individual wages.
Now people are crying saying we will never be able to compete in this league without doing this
Batshit crazy, good night
I agree with much of this @Deleted member 5849. I don’t think we are blasé but rather realistic. It’s the way football works and particularly at our point in the pyramid. We need to secure as much money as possible and invest it as wisely as possible. A combination of exciting players with profit potential and players that will “ do a job”…. We all want to see young players with potential brought in, but as Southampton found out, if you get that balance wrong you are soon in trouble.I actually think people are too blase about us losing Gyokeres. Losing him would be a massive, massive issue in terms of filling what he's given us, so consistently, the past two seasons. It's also arguable that teams doubling, trebling up on Gyokeres has given Hamer the space to excel. If we lose Goyokeres and they switch their attention to Hamer, will he do as well? tbf if he did, then he would truly be exceptional but it's asking a lot, and would probably be unreasonable.
I'd have hopes that we could strengthen the team overall though - might need a season of bedding in so I'd fully expect to see growing pains, but then it's asking an awful lot for both Gyokeres and Hamer to do so well for us and play so many games next season if they were still here next season I couldn't see us getting near the playoffs next season if they stayed either, as this season really is, rationally, a one-off with the team we have.
And back in't day once we signed Hartson in that season we were... alright, but it was too late. Watching us launch long kicks up to Bellamy was laughable really, and Strachan showed himself totally unadaptable. Robins might not change much during games, but with Viveash he's shown himself flexible in changing the way the team plays to fit with the players we have. Not saying it's easy, but frankly I find the thought of missing Gyokeres's punch and dynamism far worse and far more of a challenge. We're going to have to change system and style really, because we just won't find the same.
I don't think anyone's thinking that way re: Vik - it's more that with the rumours and stories about him, there's an acceptance he's gone, whereas we might have a chance of keeping Hamer. Also think it's worth reflecting on the fact that we don't need to replace Vik's skillset; he's being coveted so much because his skill set is fairly unique. We need to find two goalscorers to add to Godden; their skill sets don't need to match Vik. We've got the midfield and the coaching know how to adapt to the strengths of who we find.I actually think people are too blase about us losing Gyokeres. Losing him would be a massive, massive issue in terms of filling what he's given us, so consistently, the past two seasons. It's also arguable that teams doubling, trebling up on Gyokeres has given Hamer the space to excel. If we lose Goyokeres and they switch their attention to Hamer, will he do as well? tbf if he did, then he would truly be exceptional but it's asking a lot, and would probably be unreasonable.
I'd have hopes that we could strengthen the team overall though - might need a season of bedding in so I'd fully expect to see growing pains, but then it's asking an awful lot for both Gyokeres and Hamer to do so well for us and play so many games next season if they were still here next season I couldn't see us getting near the playoffs next season if they stayed either, as this season really is, rationally, a one-off with the team we have.
And back in't day once we signed Hartson in that season we were... alright, but it was too late. Watching us launch long kicks up to Bellamy was laughable really, and Strachan showed himself totally unadaptable. Robins might not change much during games, but with Viveash he's shown himself flexible in changing the way the team plays to fit with the players we have. Not saying it's easy, but frankly I find the thought of missing Gyokeres's punch and dynamism far worse and far more of a challenge. We're going to have to change system and style really, because we just won't find the same.
MR can’t keep working wondersIt’s probably going rate in the championship. It’s denial. Doug is no better than SISU. He’s just better at PR
Got to the championship final because of Gustavo hamerThis is hilarious. We literally just got to a playoff final without paying more than £15k a week probably.
Now all of a sudden anyone who wants to take a breath before announcing that we need to pay Hamer whatever he wants otherwise we’ll never get anywhere and DK has no ambition, is “scared to actually want to be better”
fuck off
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Got to the championship final because of Gustavo hamer
not the sole reason, but a big part of it
so that argument falls on deaf ears
The people who scouted Hamer are no longer here.Why is it lunacy to suggest the people who signed Hamer can sign another Hamer?
Were you once of those people who decided it was lunacy not to sign Walsh...?
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