Grendel
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It's only because people were voting in numbers for Ukip that we had this referendum in the first place.
I voted UKIP in the European election as a one off tactical vote to warn the EU of what was coming if reform didn't happen to the degree required. Reform didn't happen to a degree that was required and we will now pay the price for that. Shame many others didn't vote UKIP in the last European election as the shockwave may have been just enough to force real reform in the EU and avoid Brexit. Of course you're to dimwitted to understand tactical voting so all that was probebly over your head.
It's only because people were voting in numbers for Ukip that we had this referendum in the first place.
UKIP are a product of Tory in-fighting, just that the Tory party isn't "right wing" enoughNo. It's because the Tories were having in fighting.
No. It's because the Tories were having in fighting.
Fact of the matter is a decision of this magnitude, should never have been handedThere were two reasons that this referendum happened
1. Cameron thought it would placate the Ukip side. He didn't take into account the collapse in the labour vote to Ukip as well and also the destruction of the Lib Dems
2 He didn't think he'd win a majority.
So tactical voting for Ukip tactically got us a referendum.
Democracy at its best isn't it?Fact of the matter is a decision of this magnitude, should never have been handed
over to a largely impassive public who form there opinions based on lies peddled
by a biased tabloid press.
Absolutely spot on Samo, but be careful how you treadYep, never, ever ask the public. We have elected people to make these decisions on our behalf, we are not politicians, why ask us? :jawdrop:
Absolutely spot on Samo, but be careful how you tread
you'll be accused of being un-democratic.
Once againWell it does sound undemocratic but the truth is there are millions of idiots out there who should not be asked to determine the future of our country.
Yep, never, ever ask the public. We have elected people to make these decisions on our behalf, we are not politicians, why ask us? :jawdrop:
A general election, the opportunity for the electorate to exercise there right to vote, toYou mean the very same elected people that were voted in by the public in the first place.
So let me get this straight, the public shouldn't make these decisions, the elected people elected by the public in the first place should, but if it wasn't for the public these people wouldn't be elected in the first place.
Yes, to big and complex a decision, Cameron played a card he thought would silence theWould people have demanded it was left to MPs if they agreed with the result?
Yes, to big and complex a decision, Cameron played a card he thought would silence the
euro-sceptics on the right of his party once and for all, he never for a moment thought the
people would vote leave.
I was moaning about it from the moment the referendum was announced, the leaveSo if the result was to remain, everybody who wanted to remain would be moaning that it shouldn't have been a public vote?
I was moaning about it from the moment the referendum was announced, the leave
campaign played on people's fears, without ever attempting to explain what a leave
vote would actually mean for our country.
No surrender from the CTC. !Looks like you didn't need any help to win this one Bry! :smug:
What SBITC do is laudable and my family have personally benefited from their programmes. However, SBITC are not CCFC and having read some of Anderson's comments recently about how much the club does in the community made me somewhat cross.
Having read the financial statements of SBITC for the last 5 years, they've not received a single penny from CCFC. The only things they get from CCFC is office space, free matchday tickets and a space in the matchday programme. These are described as having no commercial value. Fair enough, the club puts players into the hands of Dave Busst to go around and see schoolkids and people in hospital from time to time, but it's worth remembering that all of these things cost nothing.
I'm not going to speak to W*sps community programme as I couldn't give a shit about egg-chasing. If Anderson wants to quell the tide of feeling against the club's owners and the publicity that Wasps are generating, he needs to do more than just talk about the charity that is related to, but not funded by, the club.
Want to dig up any more threads about SBITC? There will be an SBITC section in the next couple of weeks too
Glad that players don't need to be paid any more though, I look forward to seeing who we can get in.
To be fair, although I joined a long time ago, I've only just come back to the site having never, or rarely, posted anything. If the SBITC stuff has been done before, my bad.
I came to get away from the comment section on the Telegraph website to see if there might be debate worth reading. I might just crawl back under the rock I came from instead :happy:
I think there was a good explanation of why it is seperate and why it was a charity (to get grants, lottery funding etc).
A fair bit of resource (marketing, match tickets, playing staff etc) is given to the charity I think?
"During the year the charity received match day tickets as a donation from Coventry City Football Club.
The charity also receives financial support from the football club to the extent that premises are provided,
and webspace on the club website and editorial space in the match day programmes are granted, free of
any charges.
These donated tickets, services and facilities are not included in the statement of financial activities as
the charity is unable to reasonably quantify or measure the value of these donations."
The tickets cost nothing as well. It's not like CCFC are turfing fee paying customers out of seat to let the charity have a few is it? Plenty of space.
I'm pretty offended by that.I smell a plant
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Sorry if you're offended but wouldn't be the first time that an organisation with am axe to grind has become a member and posted on hereI'm pretty offended by that.
If I understand you correctly, you're implying I'm from an organisation who might have an axe to grind. I can assure you, I am not, but of course I've no way of proving that to you.
Yeah, I guess they've all tried to do thatSorry if you're offended but wouldn't be the first time that an organisation with am axe to grind has become a member and posted on here
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I'm pretty offended by that.
If I understand you correctly, you're implying I'm from an organisation who might have an axe to grind. I can assure you, I am not, but of course I've no way of proving that to you.
Sorry if you're offended but wouldn't be the first time that an organisation with am axe to grind has become a member and posted on here
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