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Higgs vs CCFC Court Row (2 Viewers)

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Jack Griffin

Guest
  • Apr 1, 2014
  • #561
kingharvest said:
Personally i don't think SISU give a shit about this court case and i'm not surprised it was thrown out. It's the JR they want.
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It simply sucks money out of the charity.
 

mark82

Super Moderator
  • Apr 1, 2014
  • #562
kingharvest said:
Personally i don't think SISU give a shit about this court case and i'm not surprised it was thrown out. It's the JR they want.
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Quite. This is small fry in comparison. It's like a pre season friendly.

I don't care so much about which way the decisions go but would have been nice to hear what the witnesses had to say just to try to give a fuller picture. Guess will have to wait for the JR for that now. Imagine arguments will be much the same.
 
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kingharvest

New Member
  • Apr 1, 2014
  • #563
Deleted member 5849 said:
Just a bit of light sparring, this one!
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Yep - I think they got what they wanted with the evidence.
 

duffer

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 1, 2014
  • #564
fernandopartridge said:
Counter claims are how you defend yourself.
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No, that's not quite the case as I understand it. You can simply offer a defence (I don't owe them anything), rather than a counter-claim (they owe me money).

http://www.justice.gov.uk/courts/procedure-rules/civil/rules/part15

SISU have chosen to counter-claim, they weren't obliged to if they simply wanted to defend their case.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Apr 1, 2014
  • #565
Jack Griffin said:
It simply sucks money out of the charity.
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If the Charity win the case won't they get costs back?
 
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The Gentleman

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 1, 2014
  • #566
fernandopartridge said:
The case & counter claim is about establishing whether the evil hedge fund did indeed renege or whether the charity did - try and retain some balance eh?

The counter claim does appear excessive though there may be some legal reason behind it.
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To fund the Sixfields loses
 

wes_cov

New Member
  • Apr 1, 2014
  • #567
kingharvest said:
Personally i don't think SISU give a shit about this court case and i'm not surprised it was thrown out. It's the JR they want.
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they gave enough of a shit to have a legal team of 8 and the likes of Tim Fisher there....
 
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SkyBlueCharlie

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 1, 2014
  • #568
kingharvest said:
Personally i don't think SISU give a shit about this court case and i'm not surprised it was thrown out. It's the JR they want.
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If that's the case why have they put so much time and effort into it? An expensive, pointless exercise
 
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Jack Griffin

Guest
  • Apr 1, 2014
  • #569
Nick said:
If the Charity win the case won't they get costs back?
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Even if they do get costs, I doubt they will get as much as spent and given the track record SISU have of settling their debts I doubt the charity will ever get paid.
 

SkyBlue76

New Member
  • Apr 1, 2014
  • #570
Deleted member 5849 said:
Just a bit of light sparring, this one!
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I'm not so sure. Why employ so many lawyers if it doesn't mean much to them? They claim they can batter people in the courts - it probably helps attract investors if they can bully their way to whatever goal they are hoping to achieve - but they have been thrown out by judges before and have been thrown out again today.

If they lose the JR as well. Surely it would seriously damage their reputation.

At this rate, they'll get a new reputation for being battered in the courts and not worth investing in.
 
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Godiva

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 1, 2014
  • #571
The JR is against CCC not Higgs.
This case may have lifted some information from Higgs to sisu (and into the public domain) that may help sisu in the JR.
If that is true - then I think sisu are happy to pay the £29k plus tip.
 

Danceswithhorses

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 1, 2014
  • #572
Nick said:
If the Charity win the case won't they get costs back?
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Will SISU actually pay up anyway ?
Let's face it, they have a very poor payment record.
 
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kingharvest

New Member
  • Apr 1, 2014
  • #573
SkyBlueCharlie said:
If that's the case why have they put so much time and effort into it? An expensive, pointless exercise
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Expensive yes, but not pointless if whatever they got from it helps with the JR
 
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SkyBlueCharlie

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 1, 2014
  • #574
Jack Griffin said:
Even if they do get costs, I doubt they will get as much as spent and given the track record SISU have of settling their debts I doubt the charity will ever get paid.
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Deliberate non-payment of a debt can lead to the serving of a Statutory demand and then could be followed up by the issuing of a winding up petition. Biter bit?
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 1, 2014
  • #575
I think people are forgetting that it was Higgs that took this to court in the first place not SISU so it's not like its part of some grand master plan to get information.
 
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wingy

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 1, 2014
  • #576
Godiva said:
The JR is against CCC not Higgs.
This case may have lifted some information from Higgs to sisu (and into the public domain) that may help sisu in the JR.
If that is true - then I think sisu are happy to pay the £29k plus tip.
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What Information .

the Judge who granted them the JR has provided the route to that?
 

SlowerThanPlatt

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 1, 2014
  • #577
Sisu's counterclaim dismissed by the judge. Court will hear evidence for Higgs' £29k costs claim over next 2 days. More coming
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 1, 2014
  • #578
wingy said:
the Judge who granted them the JR has provided the route to that?
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Wasn't there something related to the JR where they tried to gain access to CCC and / or Higgs information and the judge refused the request?
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 1, 2014
  • #579
Godiva said:
The JR is against CCC not Higgs.
This case may have lifted some information from Higgs to sisu (and into the public domain) that may help sisu in the JR.
If that is true - then I think sisu are happy to pay the £29k plus tip.
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They also have to pay their own legal team.
 

AFCCOVENTRY

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 1, 2014
  • #580
Sisu aren't finding out anything new from the court case today. They perfectly know very well who said what and what was signed etc.

Sisu are on their last legs at the club now and hopefully with today going Higgs way and the losing the JR they have nothing left in the tank.


Ultimately it's a very sad scenario to see the clubs name being dragged about by sisu in the courts.
 
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Godiva

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 1, 2014
  • #581
chiefdave said:
I think people are forgetting that it was Higgs that took this to court in the first place not SISU so it's not like its part of some grand master plan to get information.
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You don't think sisu would know Higgs had an obligation to bring it to court?
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 1, 2014
  • #582
wingy said:
What Information .

the Judge who granted them the JR has provided the route to that?
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There is nothing in the JR that would mean Higgs would have to reveal any communication between them and the council. I don't think the council are legally obliged to share but then again the documents referred to may be revealed under FOI.
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 1, 2014
  • #583
Godiva said:
You don't think sisu would know Higgs had an obligation to bring it to court?
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Personally I think you're giving SISU way too much credit there.
 
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Godiva

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 1, 2014
  • #584
martcov said:
They also have to pay their own legal team.
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Yes, but I am sure somebody will be quick to say that sisu will sell Wilson to cover that cost.
 

AFCCOVENTRY

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 1, 2014
  • #585
@TheSimonGilbert: Sisu's counterclaim dismissed by the judge. Court will hear evidence for Higgs' £29k costs claim over next 2 days. More coming @covtelegraph
 
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The Gentleman

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 1, 2014
  • #586
Godiva said:
You don't think sisu would know Higgs had an obligation to bring it to court?
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So why such a big counter claim? was it not to try and scare Higgs and therefore not make it to court?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 1, 2014
  • #587
'1-0, to the Higgsy boys, 1-0, to the Higgsy boys...'
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 1, 2014
  • #588
To me SISU were always and still are the bad guys. Turning up with an army of lawyers with a ridiculously high counter claim against a paltry 29000 claim from a charity. Whatever their supposed real motives are, they are not getting my support. Fees for advice from Tim Fisher!!? I hope they lose and have to pay up here and that the JR gets thrown out as well. These people are not interested in soccer and CCFC is just a pawn in their bigger game. No, I am not an ACL or CCC lover, but I have a thing against bullying, whether in court, in business or on the streets.
 
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Godiva

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 1, 2014
  • #589
The Gentleman said:
So why such a big counter claim? was it not to try and scare Higgs and therefore not make it to court?
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I don't think so - if Higgs claim is turned down (that is still to be decided!) then sisu would of course try to get as much cost covered as possible.
 

Rob S

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 1, 2014
  • #590
Just been chatting with a few people at the court and about to leave Brum. Will update and answer outstanding questions on the way back to nicer parts of Warwickshire
 

olderskyblue

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 1, 2014
  • #591
fernandopartridge said:
There is nothing in the JR that would mean Higgs would have to reveal any communication between them and the council. I don't think the council are legally obliged to share but then again the documents referred to may be revealed under FOI.
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But didn't Tim say that he has evidence proving their case? Why does he need more? Blimey, even grendel says he's seen the evidence..... (he may not have used those exact words of course...)
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Apr 1, 2014
  • #592
martcov said:
To me SISU were always and still are the bad guys. Turning up with an army of lawyers with a ridiculously high counter claim against a paltry 29000 claim from a charity. Whatever their supposed real motives are, they are not getting my support. Fees for advice from Tim Fisher!!? I hope they lose and have to pay up here and that the JR gets thrown out as well. These people are not interested in soccer and CCFC is just a pawn in their bigger game. No, I am not an ACL or CCC lover, but I have a thing against bullying, whether in court, in business or on the streets.
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Soccer?????
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 1, 2014
  • #593
Nick said:
Soccer?????
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That's got to be worth a ban
 

SlowerThanPlatt

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 1, 2014
  • #594
A High Court judge has thrown out a £290,000 claim against The Alan Edward Higgs Charity by Sky Blues owners Sisu on the first day of their long-anticipated High Court battle.

Coventry City's owners had made the counterclaim after the charity had launched a legal action against the hedge fund to recover £29,000 the Higgs Charity said it was owed after the collapse of negotiations to sell its stake in Ricoh Arena operating company ACL.


At the hearing in Birmingham, Mr Justice Leggatt decided there was no implied term of "good faith" in the negotiations between the Higgs Charity and Sisu over the sale.
 
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The Gentleman

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 1, 2014
  • #595
Godiva said:
I don't think so - if Higgs claim is turned down (that is still to be decided!) then sisu would of course try to get as much cost covered as possible.
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£290k, Really? Have they included for Tim's beer suit to be dry cleaned in that too?
 
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