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dongonzalos · Nov 18, 2012

Well hopefully today may go some way to put to bed some of the ridiculous comments on here that this squad is only fit for a relegation battle.

That Baker does have quality.

That Barton should play a role.

That the play offs are not an impossible dream.

Sick Boy · Nov 18, 2012

We are still very much in a relegation battle. If the play-offs are possible for us then they are also possible for the majority of this league.

hill83 · Nov 18, 2012

......... double post

hill83 · Nov 18, 2012

Whilst I agree with your general points. Today shouldn't have a bearing on anything at all, and it's laughable to say so. They are clearly the worst team in the league and are languishing at the bottom.

Positives should be taken from today, no doubt. But today shouldn't be used to make any points or win any battles about the season, and people's opinions on players as a whole.

Otis · Nov 18, 2012

One game, Don. One game!

The ridiculousness at this moment is that last week it was all doom and gloom after the defeat and people were talking about a struggle, and now after just one fine win, against by far and away the worst side in the league people are suddenly saying 'play-offs' and that we have quality etc.

Barton came on with us 4 nil up.

Baker has quality once every 5 matches.

Let's not get above ourselves. Lots' of rash threads coming out since 5 p.m. yesterday.

We win the next two games away at Colchester and at home to Pompey, then maybe, just maybe we are on to something. But MR said it will take time.

It's just one win. Just one convincing win in 18 games.

We lose at Colchester on Tuesday and you just see the mood change on here!

dongonzalos · Nov 18, 2012

Sick Boy said:
We are still very much in a relegation battle. If the play-offs are possible for us then they are also possible for the majority of this league.

I think it is, I think this league anyone can beat anyone. Tranmere are proof of that.

If they are our relegation battle competition, then it will be an ok battle.

Our advantage is few teams have depth in squad like us.

hill83 · Nov 18, 2012

What Otis said

dongonzalos · Nov 18, 2012

hill83 said:
Whilst I agree with your general points. Today shouldn't have a bearing on anything at all, and it's laughable to say so. They are clearly the worst team in the league and are languishing at the bottom.

Positives should be taken from today, no doubt. But today shouldn't be used to make any points or win any battles about the season, and people's opinions on players as a whole.

I disagree, every match is used to evaluate where you are. Apparently we are in a relegation battle with hartlepool.

Apparently Baker is shit at league one level.

hill83 · Nov 18, 2012

Mate, we could lose the next game 16-0 and baker could misplace every pass and accidentally kill the ref.

Would that instantly mean he is shit again?
No.
Would that mean we are in a relegation battle 'again'?
No.

One game doesn't make a season, is what I'm saying.

dongonzalos · Nov 18, 2012

It would have a impact on your opinion.

People have been skating Baker and quoting stats, well now they can quote the stats again. They are very healthy for an attacking midfielder.

We are 11 points off the play offs.

I repeat myself to many people's frustration. We have one of the best squads in this league.

Yes the 5 defeats during a period of disruption have hindered us. However we have a better than poor chance of the play offs

Otis · Nov 18, 2012

Yes we are 11 points off the play-offs ...... but we are just 3 points above the bottom 4.

1 single defeat and we could be back in the relegation places.

Let's be sensible here. I just want to see us pull well clear of those bottom 4 places before we think of anything other than safety. To be talking play-offs when we are so close to the bottom 4 is getting well above ourselves.

Think we need to put the Hartlepool result to one side. Only once we can put in dominant performances against the midtable and top sides can we start really believing in ourselves a bit more.

And let's not forget, the word back from yesterday from many supporters is that in that first 20 mins Hartlepool should have totally buried us.

You know in the Wizard of Oz where Dorothy has to close her eyes, put her heels together and keep saying 'There's no place like home?' Well, I think you need to close your eyes and keep repeating 'It's just one game, it's just one game.'

skybluelee · Nov 18, 2012

Surely people don't seriously believe we are in a relegation battle. Although we are clearly a wip (and last week was beyond awful) we are heading in the right direction. 17 points from last 10 games, 7 wins in 12 overall.

Next four games - colchester, portsmouth, walsall and morecambe. Relegation battle my arse.

Otis · Nov 18, 2012

We are not in a relegation battle.

But we are just 3 points above the relegation zone and that is a cold hard fact. Wouldn't take much for us to be back in the bottom 4.

I don't think we will be in a relegation battle, but we do very much need to pull clear.

And remember that last time people said we had a good run of fixtures (talking about the next 4 or 5) ... that didn't turn out too well if I recall.

Otis · Nov 18, 2012

And also from what I recall, last week there were predictions of comfortable win and 3-0, 4-1 and 5-1 against Scunthorpe. That didn't quite happen the way we thought either did it.

Black6Osprey · Nov 18, 2012

We are clearly better than relegation and our form shows this but we are 11 points from the play offs. Some are saying this as if it were nothing. We are in an easier run of games at the moment and so should be picking up points but Scunny did us over last week and the same could happen next game. This win a game Champions League, lose a game Conference mentality is laughable. We are doing okay and are on course for top half if this form continues.

mrtrench · Nov 18, 2012

If we draw the next game, does that mean we will finish mid-table?

Lord_Nampil · Nov 18, 2012

The reason we are where we are is
Down to the run of 5 games we lost in a row! I wounded how many points the top 6 got in thoughs games!!! Remember Robins came in after 7 games, we had 3 points!! The start of the season really hurt us! The last 10 games we have w5 d2 l3, which is a decent record, keep that up and we won't be any where near the bottom of the league!!! We will need to improve it slightly to get into the play offs!

stupot07 · Nov 18, 2012

http://www.statto.com/football/stats/england/league-one/2012-2013/form-table/full

We are joined 11th in the form table, which is good but there are still 10 teams that have picked up more points than us in the last 6 games. We're not on some amazing "promotion" chasing" run that some think.

Warwickhunt · Nov 18, 2012

just remember there are onlt two teams that are not as shite as the rest of the league! all we have to be is be better shite than the rest and we can possibly have a squeak at a top 6 finish:claping hands::claping hands:

Grendel · Nov 18, 2012

dongonzalos said:
Well hopefully today may go some way to put to bed some of the ridiculous comments on here that this squad is only fit for a relegation battle.

That Baker does have quality.

That Barton should play a role.

That the play offs are not an impossible dream.

Given we are 3 points off relegation the threat is still there. "We are too good to go down" - where have I heard that one from. Most victories have been achieved against poorer sides. Crawley are the one exception. Hartlepool are on a par with Bury as bein extremely poor.

Baker is a mediocre league one player. This means on occasions at this level he will achieve and on other occasions he will frustrate. Why that is something beyond your comprehension is a mystery.

Barton should play a role. Bring him on against an extrememly defalted team several goes down and he is OK. Otherwise leave him on the bench.

The play-offs are beyond us.

Otis · Nov 18, 2012

Black6Osprey said:
We are clearly better than relegation and our form shows this but we are 11 points from the play offs. Some are saying this as if it were nothing. We are in an easier run of games at the moment and so should be picking up points but Scunny did us over last week and the same could happen next game. This win a game Champions League, lose a game Conference mentality is laughable. We are doing okay and are on course for top half if this form continues.

Very sensible post.

This forum is like the whore's drawers. We lose one and it's all 'woe is me,' and gnashing of teeth, we win one and it's 'we're going to conquer the world.'

Let's just savour the victory and see where we are after Colchester away and Pompey at home.

Brighton Sky Blue · Nov 18, 2012

19 points blown from in front and 0 gained from behind says everything in my view. If we could simply defend a lead it'd do wonders!

Otis · Nov 18, 2012

And it's also a big worry that by all accounts Hartlepool could have been 2 or 3 goals up after only 20 mins yesterday.

We are still only putting part good performances in. Until we eradicate that we are going to keep losing matches regularly.

Brighton Sky Blue · Nov 18, 2012

Either the defenders aren't good enough, the coaching isn't good enough, or they're not prepared to listen.

coundonskyblue · Nov 18, 2012

Up until yesterday we were one place above the relegation zone. If we were talking about any other team in that position we would say they we in a relegation battle.

Are we currently in a relegation battle? Yes

Will we go down? No, were starting to pick up points and will probably finish mid table.

Sky Blue Kid · Nov 18, 2012

This team imo is average at best. We beat a team who haven't won a game(I think) in 17 outings, and are bottom.
Otis hits the nail on the head, and I agree 100% with his post. (One game Don! one game!) In this league, to get auto promotion, it's consistency that's needed, and I don't think we have it. Giving away 19 points from winning positions, isn't consistency. We miss a "Michael Doyle", or a "Dennis Wise" in the midfield. A player with "Bite" in the team could be a crucial part in whether we make the play off's or not.

Otis · Nov 18, 2012

Agree with that. We need a ball winner in the middle of the park. Someone who can harry and harrass and break up play and help us gain possession of the ball.

We need a bit of bite. Hoped that would be Bailey, but he's not quite that type of player.

SussexSkyBlue · Nov 18, 2012

Otis said:
One game, Don. One game!

The ridiculousness at this moment is that last week it was all doom and gloom after the defeat and people were talking about a struggle, and now after just one fine win, against by far and away the worst side in the league people are suddenly saying 'play-offs' and that we have quality etc.

Barton came on with us 4 nil up.

Baker has quality once every 5 matches.

Let's not get above ourselves. Lots' of rash threads coming out since 5 p.m. yesterday.

We win the next two games away at Colchester and at home to Pompey, then maybe, just maybe we are on to something. But MR said it will take time.

It's just one win. Just one convincing win in 18 games.

We lose at Colchester on Tuesday and you just see the mood change on here!

Well said, couldn't of put it better myself!!
Still 9 points in 12 isnt all bad PUSB

wingy · Nov 18, 2012

Get Lee Bowyer to put his golf clubs down for half a season ,believe he's still without a club.

Chinny_Hill · Nov 18, 2012

The problem with football I guess is that "fans" cant see the wood for the trees. Their passion for their team cancels out a logical view of what they are seeing on the pitch. It seems even worse for us Sky Blues deprived as we are of any form of success. As a result of this every game is simply about are we going to be relegated or can we make the play offs. Its time we stopped this. I believe Robins is the man for the job and has been absolutely honest in his assesment of where we are. We are seeing the green shoots of progress. Earlier in the year (under Thorn and Shaw) the wheels had come off, and the squad were not even achieving the basics (lost more often than not on the majority of fans in the midst of the wood for the trees paradigm). Now the fundmamentals are there. We are seeing evidence of this and yesterday is that, Hartlepool have scored in most home games, and the most they have conceded at home before yesterday was 2. Hartlepool 0 CCFC 5 is an indication of progress. No need to see it as any more or less than that. We are doing the right things now, sure not for 90 minutes, but at least the ingridients are there now, where they were absent before.

Ash · Nov 18, 2012

Isn't Jennings supposed to be our midfielder with the 'bite'?

Sky Blue Kid · Nov 18, 2012

@ Ash...

I think all his teeth have been pulled out.

Otis · Nov 18, 2012

Ash said:
Isn't Jennings supposed to be our midfielder with the 'bite'?

He's not the player we were told to expect for sure.

He's more of a mopping up player in front of the back 4. He's more Clingan than Doyle for sure.

Ash · Nov 18, 2012

Yeah I thought the same thing, have only really seen him play at Brentford and he didn't make any impact on the midfield at all... in fact he played their centre forward in on goal for a decent chance which should have levelled the scores at the time!

stupot07 · Nov 18, 2012

Otis said:
He's not the player we were told to expect for sure.

He's more of a mopping up player in front of the back 4. He's more Clingan than Doyle for sure.

But without clingans passing range

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