How many believe we will be at the Ricoh this season? (3 Viewers)

Paxman II · Jun 30, 2013

With all the cloak and dagger stuff going on and rumour about what will happen before kick off thought it would be the right time to poll the general feeling about:

1. Where you think we will be playing this season?

2. How many feel ACL/Council should be doing all they can to ensure our football club plays at the Ricoh?

Evo1883 · Jun 30, 2013

1 . at the ricoh
2. yes and no really , its like trying to do business with a bent cop but knowing you cant say no in fear of arrest

stupot07 · Jun 30, 2013

1. At the Ricoh
2. Yes they should

coop · Jun 30, 2013

1 ricoh
2 acl offered sisu a good deal they turned it down

DazzleTommyDazzle · Jun 30, 2013

I think we'll be at the Ricoh.
I think that SISU should be doing all they can to ensure our football club plays at the Ricoh

Paxman II · Jun 30, 2013

If you believe we will play somewhere else then you don't just think Mr Fisher is bluffing.

Paxman II · Jun 30, 2013

no comments required.....just hit the poll button!

covboy1987 · Jun 30, 2013

Paxman II said:
With all the cloak and dagger stuff going on and rumour about what will happen before kick off thought it would be the right time to poll the general feeling about:

1. Where you think we will be playing this season?

2. How many feel ACL/Council should be doing all they can to ensure our football club plays at the Ricoh?

Somebody that i know who has contacts within the club mentioned last night that the pitch will be back to its best for the start of season and that ACL have ploughed many thousands of pounds into the pitch budget and have promised to make sure the upkeep of the pitch will be 100% at all times at whatever cost and never be allowed to deteriate again as in recent times- Sounds like they are preparing for somebody will be play there next season or hoping that somebody is playing there

wingy · Jun 30, 2013

1. The RICOH

2. Hav'nt they consistently said the doors to the RICOH are open . Even hiring the Groundsman.

It must be a tad difficult if the other party are putting out Continual PR to the opposite while holding a Judicial review over you. Where is the hard evidence of playing elsewhere apart from carefully placed PR stories and Tims Diatribe to the Media .Where people who Argue that NOPM for the purposes of keeping the team there ,laudible as that may be is harmful ,it is In essence Tims get out of jail card ,I'd prefer seeing him exposed for the Fraud that heIs.

wingy · Jun 30, 2013

Paxman II said:
If you believe we will play somewhere else then you don't just think Mr Fisher is bluffing.

That's what I've just put Paxman,concur. Await the spin when we kick off there.

SkyBlueSwiss · Jun 30, 2013

Fisher stated that he does not threaten or bluff.
Fisher stated we will never play at the Ricoh again.
So why are you even asking the question?

Paxman II · Jun 30, 2013

SkyBlueSwiss said:
Fisher stated that he does not threaten or bluff.
Fisher stated we will never play at the Ricoh again.
So why are you even asking the question?

Good point but as we all know he is either carrying out stated action or they will wait to see what recent outcomes and acceptance thereof will inevitably bring surely? Changing one's mind is not criminal if the circumstances have made a change possible? i.e. If ACL/Council have made it clear they will allow SISU to use the Ricoh this season while they try and find a way forward that will satisfy SISU's intentions down the line and a balance to accessing income streams that ACL/Council will need to establish for the football club, under anyone's ownership need to stay viable.
I truly believe that if the Council/ACL do not come to the table that SISU will be on a path that will be non reversible so the Council/ACL regardless of bad feeling must find a way for the football club, not SISU (though it helps SISU) It's done for the football club as it should have been done when the Ricoh was first built.
This season will be an as is situation but the future may well be without ACL management company. it makes sense or lose the football club from the Ricoh altogether, for good.

play_in_skyblue_stripes · Jun 30, 2013

I have no idea what the true agenda is of the current owners of Covernty City is.

However I suspect that Tim Fisher of SISU is VERY serious about NOT playing at the Ricoh for the short term at least.

To me its absolutely crazy what is going on and really sad. I have no interest in this season and the Sky Blues have always been one of the most important things in my life. Last season was the first year I never went to one home game since I started supporting Coventry around 1968 season. I did go to a couple of near away games in the North West

SISU taking over was the worst thing that has ever happened to my club and that includes relegation in 2001.

dongonzalos · Jun 30, 2013

Paxman so you get to choose
We will play at the Ricoh or we will play elsewhere.

Which makes sense then a completely random third option.

Gint11 · Jun 30, 2013

Not sure why you all still think we will be playing at the Ricoh?!? As it stands there is no chance is there?

Paxman II · Jun 30, 2013

dongonzalos said:
Paxman so you get to choose
We will play at the Ricoh or we will play elsewhere.

Which makes sense then a completely random third option.

It's multiple choice.

robbieray · Jun 30, 2013

Gint11 said:
Not sure why you all still think we will be playing at the Ricoh?!? As it stands there is no chance is there?

Where else are we playing?............no where

dongonzalos · Jun 30, 2013

Paxman II said:
It's multiple choice.

Bugger, I only choose one

Maybe you should have put SISU,ACL and the council in that third option as many feel SISU are just as accountable for us not been the Ricoh and should be making more effort to keep us there.

skybluelee · Jun 30, 2013

Paxman II said:
It's multiple choice.

It isn't clear that it is multiple choice which is why the results look odd.

cloughie · Jun 30, 2013

Paxman II said:
It's multiple choice.

How as you have ommitted , convenientlty, to include sisu do all they can to get us playing at the ricoh next season

Astute · Jun 30, 2013

We will be playing at the Ricoh next season. The problem is Fish head wants the Ricoh cheaper and has been offered to play there for free. So this could be his plan for us to get paid for playing there.

Paxman II · Jun 30, 2013

I could have included SISU in the ACL/Council option but as far as we know they are adamant about playing elsewhere. So it's not a question for SISU.

So the question remains that ACL/Council to be doing all they can. If you believe they should be then check the option.

Astute · Jun 30, 2013

They have offered to play at the ground for free. What more do you want? Give them the ground for free?

Paxman II · Jun 30, 2013

Astute said:
They have offered to play at the ground for free. What more do you want? Give them the ground for free?

Only during admin which will be a few weeks away before we come out of it under voluntary agreement. Then what? Keep up lad, keep up

Brighton Sky Blue · Jun 30, 2013

Paxman II said:
I could have included SISU in the ACL/Council option but as far as we know they are adamant about playing elsewhere. So it's not a question for SISU.

So the question remains that ACL/Council to be doing all they can. If you believe they should be then check the option.

There really isn't any much more they can do shy of just handing the whole shabang over for nothing and good luck to the Higgs in justifying this to the Charity Commission or CCC in justifying it to Coventry taxpayers. Right now they are probably the only one of the three major parties involved who are doing anything to the club's benefit.

dongonzalos · Jun 30, 2013

Paxman II said:
I could have included SISU in the ACL/Council option but as far as we know they are adamant about playing elsewhere. So it's not a question for SISU.

So the question remains that ACL/Council to be doing all they can. If you believe they should be then check the option.

The point should be SISU should be trying to broker an acceptable deal as oppose to just saying we wont be playing there.
So SISU should definitely be included.
Otherwise what can ACL council do without SISU also agreeing?

Paxman II · Jun 30, 2013

Brighton Sky Blue said:
There really isn't any much more they can do shy of just handing the whole shabang over for nothing and good luck to the Higgs in justifying this to the Charity Commission or CCC in justifying it to Coventry taxpayers. Right now they are probably the only one of the three major parties involved who are doing anything to the club's benefit.

Brighton that's poppycock!
There is everything they can do.
The council own the stadium.
They have a football club in the city.
They appointed a management company to operate it. (ACL)

All that can change, if they want it to. Who said anything about free? (handing it over)
If the football club invest in a new stadium then why would they not consider a freehold interest in the stadium that already exist?
There needs to be flexibility and less personal view of what would be a contract for ownership rights for a very long time well after SISU have gone. I fear if the council do not think this through carefully they will be left with a Ricoh failing and other contracts such as hotel, casino, compass etc etc all backing away.
If the council can assure themselves of another tenant capable of bring in 30+k people to the complex any time soon I don't see what choice they have?

Sky Blue Pete · Jun 30, 2013

Paxman II said:
Brighton that's poppycock!
There is everything they can do.
The council own the stadium.
They have a football club in the city.
They appointed a management company to operate it. (ACL)

All that can change, if they want it to. Who said anything about free? (handing it over)
If the football club invest in a new stadium then why would they not consider a freehold interest in the stadium that already exist?
There needs to be flexibility and less personal view of what would be a contract for ownership rights for a very long time well after SISU have gone. I fear if the council do not think this through carefully they will be left with a Ricoh failing and other contracts such as hotel, casino, compass etc etc all backing away.
If the council can assure themselves of another tenant capable of bring in 30+k people to the complex any time soon I don't see what choice they have?

They don't trust Sisu and so won't work with them. They will work with new owners

Brighton Sky Blue · Jun 30, 2013

Paxman II said:
Brighton that's poppycock!
There is everything they can do.
The council own the stadium.
They have a football club in the city.
They appointed a management company to operate it. (ACL)

All that can change, if they want it to. Who said anything about free? (handing it over)
If the football club invest in a new stadium then why would they not consider a freehold interest in the stadium that already exist?
There needs to be flexibility and less personal view of what would be a contract for ownership rights for a very long time well after SISU have gone. I fear if the council do not think this through carefully they will be left with a Ricoh failing and other contracts such as hotel, casino, compass etc etc all backing away.
If the council can assure themselves of another tenant capable of bring in 30+k people to the complex any time soon I don't see what choice they have?

If SISU hadn't gone about their business in such a, shall we say, underhand manner then the selling party (CCC/ACL) might be more open to dealing with them. If SISU's investors are open to chucking stupid sums at a new ground then there's no reason why they can't go after an interest in the ground already there. ACL never forced us out of the flipping ground-this is all SISU's doing in their attempt to bust this stadium management company.

Paxman II · Jun 30, 2013

Brighton Sky Blue said:
If SISU hadn't gone about their business in such a, shall we say, underhand manner then the selling party (CCC/ACL) might be more open to dealing with them. If SISU's investors are open to chucking stupid sums at a new ground then there's no reason why they can't go after an interest in the ground already there. ACL never forced us out of the flipping ground-this is all SISU's doing in their attempt to bust this stadium management company.

Jesus man...that's not the point is it? When will people stop treating this like a personal obsession (as the council appears to do) and realise a deal needs to be made as I stated above. Yes SISU can be active in that area too but they have already said they intend to move on to another stadium so perhaps they can't be arsed anymore with the council?
So it IS up to the council to act as quickly as possible and intervene (if they can and it's not truly too late) and try their hardest to get an agreement with SISU regardless how much as we, you, all of us and the council detest that they have got to try.
That and not any personal opinion is what gets business done. Keep sentiment and emotion out of it!
Do they want the football club at the stadium or not? then shout from the highest roof top then! make SISU listen no matter how much you have to swallow pride to get it done. It's just business, nothing should ever be personal.
Perhaps a good poll question should be: Do you seriously think SISU would turn down the opportunity to own part of the Ricoh if offered? The money they intend investing in a new build would be better spent in owning part of the Ricoh.
I've said before, the stadium ownership (or a 99 years lease) could be SISU's if the council had half a brain. A premium paid instead of wasted on a new build and a lease payment every year. The stadium remains an asset of the football club only assignable by SISU to the next football club owners as part of any deal and remains an asset of the football club. (in other words they can't do anything else with it including lacing it with debt)
Do I have to go butt all their heads together....or is there a deal about to be announced I wonder? because conventional wisdom suggest it's a bit late in the day to be setting up a season without yet announcing where we are playing. Unless something is afoot?

Brighton Sky Blue · Jun 30, 2013

Paxman II said:
Jesus man...that's not the point is it? When will people stop treating this like a personal obsession (as the council appears to do) and realise a deal needs to be made as I stated above. Yes SISU can be active in that area too but they have already said they intend to move on to another stadium so perhaps they can't be arsed anymore with the council?
So it IS up to the council to act as quickly as possible and intervene (if they can and it's not truly too late) and try their hardest to get an agreement with SISU regardless how much as we, you, all of us and the council detest that they have got to try.
That and not any personal opinion is what gets business done. Keep sentiment and emotion out of it!
Do they want the football club at the stadium or not? then shout from the highest roof top then! make SISU listen no matter how much you have to swallow pride to get it done. It's just business, nothing should ever be personal.
Perhaps a good poll question should be: Do you seriously think SISU would turn down the opportunity to own part of the Ricoh if offered? The money they intend investing in a new build would be better spent in owning part of the Ricoh.
I've said before, the stadium ownership (or a 99 years lease) could be SISU's if the council had half a brain. A premium paid instead of wasted on a new build and a lease payment every year. The stadium remains an asset of the football club only assignable by SISU to the next football club owners as part of any deal and remains an asset of the football club. (in other words they can't do anything else with it including lacing it with debt)
Do I have to go butt all their heads together....or is there a deal about to be announced I wonder? because conventional wisdom suggest it's a bit late in the day to be setting up a season without yet announcing where we are playing. Unless something is afoot?

No need to get so up yourself Pax. Countless times ACL have quite clearly stated that they want the club to stay and have backed this up through making concession after concession and covering the pitch maintenance when the club ceased to do so. Neither party can put personal animosity to one side however there is only one party causing damage to the club right now and that would be our friends from Mayfair. They opted to put the club into administration to spite ACL rather than bother with negotiation and their actions right now are going to make for a very painful season next year.

We could have come forward and got a quote for the Higgs share which they were more than happy to sell at the time. Whose fault is it that this was never pursued? Have SISU ever put offers toward the council for any kind of handover?

dongonzalos · Jun 30, 2013

Paxman II said:
Jesus man...that's not the point is it? When will people stop treating this like a personal obsession (as the council appears to do) and realise a deal needs to be made as I stated above. Yes SISU can be active in that area too but they have already said they intend to move on to another stadium so perhaps they can't be arsed anymore with the council?

(That's fine then, as long as SISU make up some unviable plan. Lets just accept that and focus on having a poll that says ACL and the Council should be doing more and SISU are exempt)

tbh444 · Jun 30, 2013

what a shit poll... the outcome of a simple yes or no question would have been interesting, but then you put a third 'option' which has nothing to do with the main question, all in one single choice...

Paxman II · Jun 30, 2013

tbh444 said:
what a shit poll... the outcome of a simple yes or no question would have been interesting, but then you put a third 'option' which has nothing to do with the main question, all in one single choice...

It's multiple choice so you can put what you like on the first two and the third is there for opinion gathering. Simple.

Again what some seem to not realise: The football club must have the income from the stadium it plays in. is that such a crazy idea? That will not come about by buying the Higgs share. There you have it in a nutshell. It's not about SISU failing to take up that option, they negotiated as far as they could on income streams being made available to them and may not have done very well at it and so stubbornly backed out because clearly the only offer was one which will not help income streams. That can only come about with some ownership. That is where the two sides for me at any rate, have an impasse. The council refuse to see the benefit long term but should do so quickly.

SISU did not put the club into admin until the last moment to avoid the same happening by ACL's action? Are you suggesting they meant to? Not so ACL caused that absolutely.
I'm no SISU fan, never will be but as a businessman I have to see the merit in the actions taken by either side. SISU have played dastardly yes but I have to accept their actions no matter how distasteful but can't for the life of me think what ACL were thinking when they acted how they did?

When all said and done there can only be one way forward for the council if they want a football club at the Ricoh. Negotiate with the current owners, offering something far more concrete than before which will give access to income from the stadium or lose your football club.

This is now not the time to say he said you said but to make a deal happen. If they don't then there will be a stadium empty and ACL will surely go broke. Sometimes in life even when you hate it you have to do the only thing you can or suffer the consequences. |You get to pick up the pices and go again, damaged but still intact. This should be bigger than SISU...it's the Cities football club and will be long after SISU.

Broken Hearted Sky Blue · Jul 1, 2013

Paxman II said:
It's multiple choice so you can put what you like on the first two and the third is there for opinion gathering. Simple.

Again what some seem to not realise: The football club must have the income from the stadium it plays in. is that such a crazy idea? That will not come about by buying the Higgs share. There you have it in a nutshell. It's not about SISU failing to take up that option, they negotiated as far as they could on income streams being made available to them and may not have done very well at it and so stubbornly backed out because clearly the only offer was one which will not help income streams. That can only come about with some ownership. That is where the two sides for me at any rate, have an impasse. The council refuse to see the benefit long term but should do so quickly.

SISU did not put the club into admin until the last moment to avoid the same happening by ACL's action? Are you suggesting they meant to? Not so ACL caused that absolutely.
I'm no SISU fan, never will be but as a businessman I have to see the merit in the actions taken by either side. SISU have played dastardly yes but I have to accept their actions no matter how distasteful but can't for the life of me think what ACL were thinking when they acted how they did?

When all said and done there can only be one way forward for the council if they want a football club at the Ricoh. Negotiate with the current owners, offering something far more concrete than before which will give access to income from the stadium or lose your football club.

This is now not the time to say he said you said but to make a deal happen. If they don't then there will be a stadium empty and ACL will surely go broke. Sometimes in life even when you hate it you have to do the only thing you can or suffer the consequences. |You get to pick up the pices and go again, damaged but still intact. This should be bigger than SISU...it's the Cities football club and will be long after SISU.

o you as a great businessman would have totally ignored the statement that we were close to a "catastrophic liquidation" would you? by the way what has changed a few months ago we were close to a "catostrophic liquidation" and now were on about groundsharing bwith little revenue and building a new ground ? I would seriously question your business acumen either that or you're very lucky

How many believe we will be at the Ricoh this season? (3 Viewers)

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You believe we will play somewhere else this season

You think ACL/Council should do everything possible to ensure we play at the Ricoh

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