rob9872
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Both teams pretty interchangeable in most positions for me without strengthening or weakening the other, with the exception that I'd say Walsh is a huge upgrade on Bigi.
Both teams pretty interchangeable in most positions for me without strengthening or weakening the other, with the exception that I'd say Walsh is a huge upgrade on Bigi.Murphy Marosi
Christie Dabo
Hussey McCallum
Cranie Hyam
Wood McFazdean
Keogh Rose
Thomas Kelly
Bigi Walsh
McSheffrey O hare
Baker Allen
Platt Godden
so without bias - which of the Championship relegation team would get into our current team
Keogh ? any more?
None would necessarily make us better, Wood, Christie, Keogh, McSheffrey, Cranie would boost the squad, but none imo would walk into the first eleven. But a number of today’s group would get into that 2012 team.
Keogh, Cranie and Christie have played no lower than Championship for the past 5 seasons - Keogh is obviously injured and Cranie is getting on a bit but all would get into our team
On the basis of what we knew in 2012 against what we know today I think Dabo is better at this stage.It’s incredible that apparently Christie wouldn’t be good enough for us according to some
Wood wouldn't would he?Wood would.
Clingan was a tidy player. I didn’t really get the sideways Sammy jibes... that was his job! He was never meant to be a player that would go on a 20 yard run or ping an inch perfect 40 yard through ball!
He obviously developed into a great player but he wasn’t great in that relegation season. If you’re basing it on who had the better career than it’s pretty open and shut and no need for debate, surely you take it on their 2012 season and nothing else. Wilson was in the squad then, nobody is picking him because he was a youth player not pulling up trees.It’s incredible that apparently Christie wouldn’t be good enough for us according to some
Yes fair enoughHe obviously developed into a great player but he wasn’t great in that relegation season. If you’re basing it on who had the better career than it’s pretty open and shut and no need for debate, surely you take it on their 2012 season and nothing else. Wilson was in the squad then, nobody is picking him because he was a youth player not pulling up trees.
Well technically his job was to link the defence to the attack, and for that you have to do one of two things:
1. Take the ball and run with it - as you say not his job
2. Get the ball and look to pass it forward if possible. Only if that isn't possible do you then go sideways or backwards. Clingan's first instinct was to put his foot on the ball and go sideways or backwards, preventing us from breaking away and letting the opposition get back into position.
Now that's be fine if he was here as a Doyle style player to win the ball. He wasn't, he was supposed to be a playmaker and he failed at that job, just like Sideways Stephen Hughes did (a man who's best game for us I can remember was in goal against Stoke I think)
Nor me. Right player in the wrong team. What he lacked around him were the players who should have been able to do the fancy stuff so his retaining of possession was often for nothing.Clingan was a tidy player. I didn’t really get the sideways Sammy jibes... that was his job! He was never meant to be a player that would go on a 20 yard run or ping an inch perfect 40 yard through ball!
It’s incredible that apparently Christie wouldn’t be good enough for us according to some
it’s ridiculous he’s career to date is miles better than Dabo
In form McShefftry & Baker would be class in the roles behind the striker I feel
Fleck too, we never played to his strengths.Nor me. Right player in the wrong team. What he lacked around him were the players who should have been able to do the fancy stuff so his retaining of possession was often for nothing.
Not the point. It's a comparison between 2012 and 2020, so therefore how good Christie was IN 2012. If you want to do a career thing we'll have to wait until 2028 to say who out of this side has gone on to bigger things. Dabo's future career could make Christie's look pitiful for all we know. He'll already got games in Europe under his belt.
Allen much better than Baker
That relegated team should really have stayed up, should have sacked the joke of a manager in January to give us a chance. There are otherwise quite a number of players who have gone on to have decent careers in the Championship.
The manager was the biggest issue by far, we’re still recovering from it now, IMO.Biggest issue was failure to properly replace Juke.
oh in which case 90% of the 2012 players are by definition better - didn’t realise that
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