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Saddlebrains · Apr 7, 2022

2 well established championship teams with financial clout in Blackburn (Mowbray out of contract) and Stoke ( O'Neil's clearly on his bike) have managerial vacancies this summer.

You would assume Robins is pretty high on their list of replacements being the miracle hes worked here.

Hypothetically, if approached by either or do you think he would go? Or do you feel Joy would shit herself and stick her hand in her pocket?

As others have alluded too, MR doesnt seem to be toeing the SISU party line anymore, finances, training ground issues he is airing more publicly.

Would Robins be the kind of man to say back me or im off? Or will he be here until we reach the promised land and he sees it as mission complete?

rob9872 · Apr 7, 2022

He wasn't raising those issues when we were winning though, I think it's just a but of deflection on the occasions he gets the tactics wrong.

stevefloyd · Apr 7, 2022

He's had a taste of the 'high life' at Rotheram, Barnsley, Huddersfield and Scunthorpe and they didn't work too well for him although the so called even bigger teams may come knocking and he might just think "ive had enough of struggling for a quid for parking" and decide to have a last hurrah and be tempted away....over to you Joy !!!

shmmeee · Apr 7, 2022

rob9872 said:
He wasn't raising those issues when we were winning though, I think it's just a but of deflection on the occasions he gets the tactics wrong.

Disagree. I think the squad hit a wall and injuries took their toll.

Hobo · Apr 7, 2022

rob9872 said:
He wasn't raising those issues when we were winning though, I think it's just a but of deflection on the occasions he gets the tactics wrong.

If the tactics don't work why is it always down to the manager? Sometimes the tactics can be right for the situation - but actually the players fail to implement them correctly.

It amazes me how many fans think they know so much about tactics yet never have their theories tested. They always assume what they would have done would have worked. I have known them criticise a formation without even realising we aren't exactly playing that formation.

I am making a general point about managers and football fans. Managers do make mistakes and so does Robins because they are human. Sometimes the other manager gets one over you. There is a bit of luck involved too sometimes. That is football.

KenilworthSkyBlue · Apr 7, 2022

I think Stoke will go for a name personally. They'll want a manager with prior experience of getting out of this division and Robins doesn't have that. Funnily enough they're actually interested in Mowbray according to the media.

Wouldn't be surprised if Blackburn made an approach though.

Ccfcisparks · Apr 7, 2022

Some will be pleased if he did go, and then I'm sure would be missing him when we do drastically worse without him. Us and him fit hand in glove, just wish we had some more money to give him to use.

Nick · Apr 7, 2022

They wouldn't want him.

PVA · Apr 7, 2022

Nick said:
They wouldn't want him.

Why wouldn't they?

Not saying they will definitely be in for him, but what makes you say they wouldn't?

I think Robins would be near the top of just about any Championship club's shortlist.

Nick · Apr 7, 2022

PVA said:
Why wouldn't they?

Not saying they will definitely be in for him, but what makes you say they wouldn't?

I think Robins would be near the top of just about any Championship club's shortlist.

Based on what, though?

Lower end Championship, maybe. Can you see Forest scrambling for him, for example?

Old Warwickshire lad · Apr 7, 2022

If he is offered either job he will go,and take Ade with him.
He will have his salary at least doubled, and offered a budget to compete with anyone in this division.
Can anyone say they wouldn’t do the same?

Sbarcher · Apr 7, 2022

MR certainly has ambition but I think both of those clubs would not risk taking on a manager who has plied his trade in the lower divisions. They will be looking for an instant reaction next season with a manager who has some Prem experience. Not sure who that might be, but feel MR would be too risky for both.

Deleted member 5849 · Apr 7, 2022

Don't get why he wouldn't be in demand - he's shown he can make a competitive side at this level without much in the way of cash, and he's shown over the years with us that he can make teams win, and win under pressure, along with finishing off promotion challenges.

Stoke would depend what type of manager they want next, but if they took Jones they could take a Robins type, they also like their British workmanlike managers as a rule. Not so sure you'd want the Blackburn job anyway as they'll lose their top striker, and the demand for return against resources seems slightly unreasonable to me.

KenilworthSkyBlue · Apr 7, 2022

Nick said:
Based on what, though?

Lower end Championship, maybe. Can you see Forest scrambling for him, for example?

Why wouldn't Blackburn want him?

They've clearly cut their cloth over the past few years and their recruitment strategy has shifted significantly. With one of the youngest teams in the league their strategy now primarily focuses on getting the best out of young talent.

For that very reason alone I think Robins would be an ideal fit for them to be honest.

PVA · Apr 7, 2022

Nick said:
Based on what, though?

Lower end Championship, maybe. Can you see Forest scrambling for him, for example?

Based on taking a team from L2 to competitive in the Championship on a shoestring, playing away from the city, in the space of 5 years maybe?

Not saying he'd be first choice everywhere but he'd be at least in the conversation for almost every club in this league.

pusbccfc · Apr 7, 2022

He learnt his lesson the hard way.

Tactically be wouldn't be up for a job like those, he knows that himself.

Hutch11 · Apr 7, 2022

2nd time around here and we've improved every season on a shoestring budget

Grendel · Apr 7, 2022

PVA said:
Why wouldn't they?

Not saying they will definitely be in for him, but what makes you say they wouldn't?

I think Robins would be near the top of just about any Championship club's shortlist.

Stoke definitely wouldn’t especially having dabbled with Nathan Jones

The only reason Blackburn night is because of robins ability to work with unpopular owners

Grendel · Apr 7, 2022

PVA said:
Based on taking a team from L2 to competitive in the Championship on a shoestring, playing away from the city, in the space of 5 years maybe?

Not saying he'd be first choice everywhere but he'd be at least in the conversation for almost every club in this league.

he wouldn’t be in any conversation with the bigger clubs

Deleted member 5849 · Apr 7, 2022

Grendel said:
Stoke definitely wouldn’t especially having dabbled with Nathan Jones

Pulis was picked after experience at the level Stoke were at, and lower levels, he was something of a journeyman. When he came back when Coates came back he came from Plymouth, and amusingly on the message boards Stoke and Plymouth fans were arguing who *didn't* get to have him, as his style of play was so awful.

Hughes was rather a journeyman by the time he got the Stoke job, Lambert was certainly a leftfield choice as he was a bit of a failure by that point. Rowett is journeyman lower level flavour of month type appointment, Jones was lower level when he went there. O'Neill's actually the exception as his job is off the back of a national record, but he's not overly high profile.

Stoke tend to pick managers who are respected for having experience and managerial ability, rather than glamour. It doesn't mean Robins would be their choice, but I'm sure he'd come up in conversation.

Grendel · Apr 7, 2022

Deleted member 5849 said:
Pulis was picked after experience at the level Stoke were at, and lower levels, he was something of a journeyman. When he came back when Coates came back he came from Plymouth, and amusingly on the message boards Stoke and Plymouth fans were arguing who *didn't* get to have him, as his style of play was so awful.

Hughes was rather a journeyman by the time he got the Stoke job, Lambert was certainly a leftfield choice as he was a bit of a failure by that point. Rowett is journeyman lower level flavour of month type appointment, Jones was lower level when he went there. O'Neill's actually the exception as his job is off the back of a national record, but he's not overly high profile.

Stoke tend to pick managers who are respected for having experience and managerial ability, rather than glamour. It doesn't mean Robins would be their choice, but I'm sure he'd come up in conversation.

Robins record as a championship manager is mediocre

He averages a win just about every 3 games

Deleted member 5849 · Apr 7, 2022

Grendel said:
Robins record as a championship manager is mediocre

He averages a win just about every 3 games

I don't really care about a win %age as that doesn't show everything.

Good job with Rotherham.
Good job with Barnsley (he did do a good job, he was linked with a lot of other teams and quit in expectation of a better job, he'd also saved them from certainties from relegation - their previous manager was a shambles. The reason Barnsley fans don't like him is because of that resignation, which was poorly times at best, somewhat arrogant at worst).
Good job with us first time around.
Poor job with Huddersfield
Average job with Scunthorpe overall.
Great job with us.

He has experience, he has a background of winning promotions, he has a background of getting his teams well organised and drilled (something Stoke like!), and since returning to us with Viveash, he's become more progressive tactically. Now, most managers who've been around the block end up with a Huddersfield on their list, but what he has shown is the ability to grow as a manager, and the ability to overturn perceptions of teams.

Grendel · Apr 7, 2022

Deleted member 5849 said:
I don't really care about a win %age as that doesn't show everything.

Good job with Rotherham.

Good job with Barnsley (he did do a good job, he was linked with a lot of other teams and quit in expectation of a better job, he'd also saved them from certainties from relegation - their previous manager was a shambles. The reason Barnsley fans don't like him is because of that resignation, which was poorly times at best, somewhat arrogant at worst).

Good job with us first time around.

Poor job with Huddersfield

Average job with Scunthorpe overall.

Great job with us.

He has experience, he has a background of winning promotions, he has a background of getting his teams well organised and drilled (something Stoke like!), and since returning to us with Viveash, he's become more progressive tactically. Now, most managers who've been around the block end up with a Huddersfield on their list, but what he has shown is the ability to grow as a manager, and the ability to overturn perceptions of teams.

He has no experience of success in this league - none. Clubs wanting promotion in this league wouldn’t even look at him

Frostie · Apr 7, 2022

He's no Kenny Jackett that's for sure.

Deleted member 5849 · Apr 7, 2022

Frostie said:
He's no Kenny Jackett that's for sure.

See, for all the pisstaking, Jackett does actually have a half-decent record as a manager. His fatal error seems to have been picking Leyton orient for reasons best known to himself after leaving Portsmouth - that's probably done for his career.

Frostie · Apr 7, 2022

Deleted member 5849 said:
See, for all the pisstaking, Jackett does actually have a half-decent record as a manager. His fatal error seems to have been picking Leyton orient for reasons best known to himself after leaving Portsmouth - that's probably done for his career.

7 or 8 years ago maybe & mostly in League 1.
Not sure about picking Leyton Orient either, his tenure at Portsmouth was such a disaster I can't imagine he was highly sought after.

Deleted member 5849 · Apr 7, 2022

Frostie said:
7 or 8 years ago maybe & mostly in League 1.
Not sure about picking Leyton Orient either, his tenure at Portsmouth was such a disaster I can't imagine he was highly sought after.

Not sure Portsmouth was that much of a disaster really. They're another club with maybe over-high expectations who need to sort themselves out and regroup.

TomS91 · Apr 7, 2022

Deleted member 5849 said:
Not sure Portsmouth was that much of a disaster really. They're another club with maybe over-high expectations who need to sort themselves out and regroup.

Maybe Jackett should have considered doing the regrouping then. Like Robins did with us.

Grendel · Apr 7, 2022

Deleted member 5849 said:
See, for all the pisstaking, Jackett does actually have a half-decent record as a manager. His fatal error seems to have been picking Leyton orient for reasons best known to himself after leaving Portsmouth - that's probably done for his career.

His record at Portsmouth is pretty odd. He won every other game. Even with the orient debacle he has won 44 out of every 100 games managed

Grendel · Apr 7, 2022

I don’t know why people don’t think about Blackburn as the only possibility- everyone working for Sisu seem to end up there

Grendel · Apr 7, 2022

Frostie said:
7 or 8 years ago maybe & mostly in League 1.
Not sure about picking Leyton Orient either, his tenure at Portsmouth was such a disaster I can't imagine he was highly sought after.

his points per game in the championship is higher than robins

Frostie · Apr 7, 2022

Grendel said:
his points per game in the championship is higher than robins

And?

Grendel · Apr 7, 2022

Frostie said:
And?

you said Jackett was a poor manager in tbe championship

Deleted member 9744 · Apr 7, 2022

Grendel said:
you said Jackett was a poor manager in tbe championship

OK let's just imagine for one minute that the big dream happens and we sack Robins at the end of the season and we go all out to get the very best, King Kenny, in his place. Tell me what the realistic expectation would be for the club and how much better we would do than if we keep Robins.

In two years time where would we be under King Kenny and where would we be under Robins?

Frostie · Apr 7, 2022

Grendel said:
you said Jackett was a poor manager in tbe championship

I didn't but ok...

He was a reasonable manager 7 or 8 years ago but is a dinosaur in today's game. He has an ever so slightly better PPG than Robins but given the teams he managed & players at his disposal it really should be significantly better than MR's.

His last period of anything remotely successful was 7 years ago. His last Championship role saw him leave Rotherham in 2016 after winning a single point from 5 games. The previous season his PPG was almost identical to Robins' with a Wolves team costing millions & stacked with top Championship & Premier League players. He took a heavily fancied team to a 14th placed finish before being sacked.

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