If a new stadium location announcement was made tomorrow (1 Viewer)

Otis · Feb 1, 2015

And it was an acceptable location to us everyone on paper, to what degree would that alter your thinking and stance, if any at all?

Just wondering what affect an announcement would make in terms of people's belief.

For me it wouldn't change a thing. Unfortunately I am so filled with disbelief that it will happen, that a location announcement wouldn't have me batting an eyelid and I would still not believe it until the first brick was set in the foundations and even then I still wouldn't hold out that much hope of completion and would have expect a half built abandonment of the project.

I would guess Sisu would be expecting that an announcement will have us City fans all jumping up and down for joy, but I am not so sure. I think a few would buy it, a fair few would greet it with suspicion and the rest of us wouldn't believe a single word of it.

Would it change your view at all? Would you be more believing in the concept? Interested to know.

* By page 5 of course this will have turned into either a ACL/CCC/Sisu argument or a debate on the rights and wrongs of franchising.

The Reverend Skyblue · Feb 1, 2015

In one word , no

Otis · Feb 1, 2015

No it wouldn't change your stance that it won't be built?

Hobo · Feb 1, 2015

Too many if's, location, financial implications, infrastructure, external revenue streams, size of stadium, design, facilities, management of team, future vision....bored now.

i have always being willing for SISU to turn it round....but I am looking at a fire made of cold ash.

RFC · Feb 1, 2015

Providing it's within a reasonable distance from the City centre no difference whatsoever.

Good transport links very important buses, trains & road links vital. Better access than the Ricoh and no egg shaped balls please!

ccfc92 · Feb 1, 2015

I'm with you as in until there is work begun, I wouldn't believe it but...

What I want to know is:

Who's paying for it?
What debt will be loaded onto CCFC?
How profitable will it be?
When will CCFC profit from this new stadium?

ccfc92 · Feb 1, 2015

RFC said:
Providing it's within a reasonable distance from the City centre no difference whatsoever.

Good transport links very important buses, trains & road links vital. Better access than the Ricoh and no egg shaped balls please!

Better access than the Ricoh?

The Ricoh that has motorway links and you travel up two roads to get to from the City Centre?

italiahorse · Feb 1, 2015

Ownership ? Management company ? Rent paid to Sisu ? % of F&B ?
Don't want to go through everything and be in the same position as we are now do we ?

Otis · Feb 1, 2015

ccfc92 said:
I'm with you as in until there is work begun, I wouldn't believe it but...

What I want to know is:

Who's paying for it?
What debt will be loaded onto CCFC?
How profitable will it be?
When will CCFC profit from this new stadium?

I think the answer to the last 2 questions will both involve figures of something associated with 10 years at least.

italiahorse · Feb 1, 2015

ccfc92 said:
Better access than the Ricoh?

The Ricoh that has motorway links and you travel up one road to get to from the City Centre?

It will also have it's own railway station and if you don't want to travel you can stay at the hotel.

bradwellskyblues · Feb 1, 2015

ccfc needs 11 new players the whole new stadium thing is merely a divert ion,when i was at the match yesterday was i thinking about new stadiums old stadiums no the fact we chucked 2 points away was what pissed me off and the fact the team fails to compete in the third tier of english football

Otis · Feb 1, 2015

ccfc92 said:
Better access than the Ricoh?

The Ricoh that has motorway links and you travel up two roads to get to from the City Centre?

Yep. That is laughable. How on this earth is any new stadium going to have better access than the Ricoh? And he is conveniently forgetting, the Ricoh in May will have its own train station with fans being able to pull up right outside the Ricoh.

Better access? That is a joke.

Unless of course if this new stadium is quite a number of miles away.

ccfc92 · Feb 1, 2015

Otis said:
I think the answer to the last 2 questions will both involve figures of something associated with 10 years at least.

okay, so the league we will be in for them 10 years will be.....

my point being, surely the huge debt loaded onto the club, would sink us?

Arsenal had to "consolidate" financially for years to compensate for the Emirates. Imagine us "consolidating"? :facepalm:

Samo · Feb 1, 2015

Otis said:
And it was an acceptable location to us everyone on paper, to what degree would that alter your thinking and stance, if any at all?

Just wondering what affect an announcement would make in terms of people's belief.

For me it wouldn't change a thing. Unfortunately I am so filled with disbelief that it will happen, that a location announcement wouldn't have me batting an eyelid and I would still not believe it until the first brick was set in the foundations and even then I still wouldn't hold out that much hope of completion and would have expect a half built abandonment of the project.

I would guess Sisu would be expecting that an announcement will have us City fans all jumping up and down for joy, but I am not so sure. I think a few would buy it, a fair few would greet it with suspicion and the rest of us wouldn't believe a single word of it.

Would it change your view at all? Would you be more believing in the concept? Interested to know.

* By page 5 of course this will have turned into either a ACL/CCC/Sisu argument or a debate on the rights and wrongs of franchising.

No it would not change my thinking. I've never believed for a second that it was anything more than bluster and I still don't. I would however like it to be true as I would dearly love to never set foot in the Ricoh again.

Otis · Feb 1, 2015

ccfc92 said:
okay, so the league we will be in for them 10 years will be.....

my point being, surely the huge debt loaded onto the club, would sink us?

Arsenal had to "consolidate" financially for years to compensate for the Emirates. Imagine us "consolidating"? :facepalm:

Yep, it certainly looks like that could be the case. A new stadium will increase the burden on the club. If the team on the pitch is not supported financially, any new stadium would quickly become a liability. There is no magic formula here. Do we really think we will build a new stadium and everything will all be okay again?

We will increase the burden and CCFC will merely be renting off someone else.

This fantasy stadium could only become a reality with absolutely massive financial backing, otherwise for the foreseeable future it could be a millstone round our necks.

ccfc92 · Feb 1, 2015

Otis said:
Yep, it certainly looks like that could be the case. A new stadium will increase the burden on the club. If the team on the pitch is not supported financially, any new stadium would quickly become a liability. There is no magic formula here. Do we really think we will build a new stadium and everything will all be okay again?

We will increase the burden and CCFC will merely be renting off someone else.

This fantasy stadium could only become a reality with absolutely massive financial backing, otherwise for the foreseeable future it could be a millstone round our necks.

Why am I suddenly reminded of "Stadium 2000" or whatever the Ricoh was initially called?

I had a thought as well, do you think RFC was calling for us to leave HR for the greater good? Just a thought I had, will make interesting discussion

Otis · Feb 1, 2015

I think a few people would be swayed by an announcement, but not many.

How many were taken in with that artists impression a while back?

ccfc92 · Feb 1, 2015

Otis said:
I think a few people would be swayed by an announcement, but not many.

How many were taken in with that artists impression a while back?

3 I believe.

Sky Blue Harry H · Feb 1, 2015

Otis said:
Yep, it certainly looks like that could be the case. A new stadium will increase the burden on the club. If the team on the pitch is not supported financially, any new stadium would quickly become a liability. There is no magic formula here. Do we really think we will build a new stadium and everything will all be okay again?

We will increase the burden and CCFC will merely be renting off someone else.

This fantasy stadium could only become a reality with absolutely massive financial backing, otherwise for the foreseeable future it could be a millstone round our necks.

Going over old ground I know (no pun intended), but I (like others) assumed that all the new stadium bluster was to strengthen their negotiating position/weaken ACL, whilst waiting for the most opportune(cheapest) moment to make a play for the Ricoh. Now that Plan A has sailed by they have been hoisted on their own petard, as I cannot believe they will persuade corporate chains / hotels to fund a 'Ricoh part deux', particularly if those companies have seen how the CCFC 'customers' have responded to current events. And we're all fairly certain that SISU investors won't want to fund it. So no, don't believe it will happen (unless the team miraculously gets itself within touching distance of the premiership)!

ccfc92 · Feb 1, 2015

Sky Blue Harry H said:
Going over old ground I know (no pun intended), but I (like others) assumed that all the new stadium bluster was to strengthen their negotiating position/weaken ACL, whilst waiting for the most opportune(cheapest) moment to make a play for the Ricoh. Now that Plan A has sailed by they have been hoisted on their own petard, as I cannot believe they will persuade corporate chains / hotels to fund a 'Ricoh part deux', particularly if those companies have seen how the CCFC 'customers' have responded to current events. And we'r all fairly certain that SISU investors won't want to fund it. So no, don't believe it will happen (unless the team miraculously gets itself within touching distance of the premiership)!

Even if that did happen, buying into the Ricoh would be more profitable IMO.

Samo · Feb 1, 2015

Otis said:
I think a few people would be swayed by an announcement, but not many.

How many were taken in with that artists impression a while back?

One man with learning difficulties and his tortoise Alan.

thekidfromstrettoncamp · Feb 1, 2015

Why dont our owners see some sense and try and talk to ACL (WASPS) surely it is fair better 2 sports trying to do a deal to run both clubs in 1 ground than us trying to go it alone in a stadium farther
away from the town alone

ccfc92 · Feb 1, 2015

thekidfromstrettoncamp said:
Why dont our owners see some sense and try and talk to ACL (WASPS) surely it is fair better 2 sports trying to do a deal to run both clubs in 1 ground than us trying to go it alone in a stadium farther
away from the town alone

What kind of logical sorcery is this? Can we burn thekidfromstrettoncamp at the stake?

letsallsingtogether · Feb 1, 2015

No they can stuff their tin shed where the sun don't shine.

thekidfromstrettoncamp · Feb 1, 2015

Where are we likely to build our tin sheds

letsallsingtogether · Feb 1, 2015

thekidfromstrettoncamp said:
Where are we likely to build our tin sheds

Some backwater Town in Warwickshire with a shit bus service and most the locals support incester.

thekidfromstrettoncamp · Feb 1, 2015

Would not be in a better ground than we are now thats for sure

mrtrench · Feb 1, 2015

Warning: Have had a few scotches. SISU is completely taking the piss out of this club. They don't empathise in any way with the club, the history or the fans. I work in a similar business, I know that money and profit is everything and the people in this business will say and do anything to get the money. I'm not proud of this but I understand the SISU mentality. I don't believe a single word they say and I hate that they have chosen CCFC to degrade. CCFC is personal for me. CCFC is personal for thousands of people.

So, no, I would not believe any of it. And I am proud of CCC for seeing through the BS and trying their best to make something out of the sow's ear they got.

No, I am not one the posters with duplicate profiles of with a vested interest. But until I have had a few drams I have also moved on. But in my cups, I say fuck off SISU and let us start to rebuild this club with whatever debt and in whichever league you decide to dump us into. And fuck off Lord Haw Haw too. You know who you are.

Gazolba · Feb 1, 2015

Otis said:
If a new stadium location announcement was made tomorrow

You mean an announcement that three more possible sites have been ruled out, or an announcement about the possible future date when the announcement will be made, or an announcement that the process has been delayed but will recommence after a future announcement?

It would only make a difference if it was closer to the city centre than the Ricoh.

Samo · Feb 1, 2015

mrtrench said:
Warning: Have had a few scotches. SISU is completely taking the piss out of this club. They don't empathise in any way with the club, the history or the fans. I work in a similar business, I know that money and profit is everything and the people in this business will say and do anything to get the money. I'm not proud of this but I understand the SISU mentality. I don't believe a single word they say and I hate that they have chosen CCFC to degrade. CCFC is personal for me. CCFC is personal for thousands of people.

So, no, I would not believe any of it. And I am proud of CCC for seeing through the BS and trying their best to make something out of the sow's ear they got.

No, I am not one the posters with duplicate profiles of with a vested interest. But until I have had a few drams I have also moved on. But in my cups, I say fuck off SISU and let us start to rebuild this club with whatever debt and in whichever league you decide to dump us into. And fuck off Lord Haw Haw too. You know who you are.

Trench... SBT and alcohol are not a good mix, I was reminded of this recently and obliged to eat some humble pie on the day after. But... you are proud of the council? Really? Of all the councils in all the land, you think ours is the one to be proud of? Gosh, how lucky are we?

mrtrench · Feb 1, 2015

Yes, proud of them. And I will say it again in the morning. I'm not generally in favour of Labour-run councils or indeed Millibean - and especially the arsehole Balls. But in the way they have stood up to SISU I am proud.

thekidfromstrettoncamp · Feb 1, 2015

Dont live in Coventry but they dont sell a stadium to people who just want to sue instead of talking through situations they find themselves in through there own incompetents.

RedSalmon · Feb 1, 2015

mrtrench said:
Yes, proud of them. And I will say it again in the morning. I'm not generally in favour of Labour-run councils or indeed Millibean - and especially the arsehole Balls. But in the way they have stood up to SISU I am proud.

Agree with every word. Am no fan of Coventry Council but the way they have played the hand they have been dealt makes me proud too.

SISU have tried every trick in the book and the council have seen them coming.

Samo · Feb 1, 2015

mrtrench said:
Yes, proud of them. And I will say it again in the morning. I'm not generally in favour of Labour-run councils or indeed Millibean - and especially the arsehole Balls. But in the way they have stood up to SISU I am proud.

Wow. There is nothing as tragic as a man who, despite all the evidence and a sharp pain in his arse, does not realize he has been fucked.

CovFan · Feb 1, 2015

The council have been just as underhanded as sisu have in this sorry saga.

Anyway, on the topic it wouldn't surprise me if we heard more about Unicorn land tomorrow to try and distract fans from the lack of signings on transfer deadline day.

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