Tommo1993
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Correct. But why does O’Hare‘s poor end product get swept under the rug as much as it does? Because he’s a better player, maybe. So what, he should still be scoring more.
Allen and Shipley have missed loads of chances. Hamer has a couple long range howlers a match too.
I don´t think you can really argue that mental gymnastics are being used to criticism him, but not be able to accept that it is happening the other way too. It isn't just about his finishing for example, it is people who will blindly refuse to accept when someone says something negative about him or asks questions.
I prompted a debate on here recently with some pretty fair questions, although in hindsight the thread title was a bit out of order and sensationalist. Granted despite that slight regret, I must admit it has made for some amusing throwbacks when he does something good. Anyway, the frustration where a lot of that came from is that some fans are so desperate to defend him though hell or high water, that they will start saying silly things such as ´he made a great run for the goal´, when he was no where near anyone making the assist or putting the ball in the net. Or ´he won a throw in there´ just to deflect from the fact he missed a sitter two minutes previously. Either that or 'unlucky not to score'. How many times have we heard that?
He is clearly a fantastic asset for the club, and one thing I have certainly touched upon before is that his attitude is superb. When it comes to not giving up and getting stuck in, but also how he comes across in interviews. He is hungry to do well and you can see how much it means to him. It is something I think a lot of other players could learn from. That all being said, his end product is shocking and it is of serious detriment to the team. A lot of it is in his head as well. You know that because in the two games he has scored in this season, he then played the rest of the game like Messi, and that has sometimes continued for a game or two afterwards, before we see him fluffing his lines again a few weeks later. Again, possibly because he gets frustrated with himself and loses his head.
We have missed sitters all over the park this season, so you cannot just say COH's assists are low because only the times he plays the balls the other players miss. It all balances out, but is part of a bigger picture. 1) That our overall end product as a team isn't good enough, but 2) He is still a massive part of that. For the sake of balance people need to know how to give credit at times better, granted, but also that when he does do something shit, not just to start talking about something completely irrelevant in desperation because they cannot bear the overall reality. I think that is what spills over, because now every match we have two extremes taking over the match thread.
Correct. But why does O’Hare‘s poor end product get swept under the rug as much as it does? Because he’s a better player, maybe. So what, he should still be scoring more.
Swept under the rug? Holy fuck!!
Gotta admit Clint, he is pretty widely defended by fans!
I suspect they're confusing the defences of some chances he misses - not all his chances are easy goals and an automatic easy miss, after all!Can someone link me one post where anyone has said O'Hare is a good finisher because I can't remember reading one but people keep mentioning others posting it.
To be fair. Theres not many things hes better than him at, but Shipleys shooting is much better than COH'sAllen and Shipley have missed loads of chances. Hamer has a couple long range howlers a match too.
This is the 2nd thread dedicated to criticising him, that's hardly sweeping it under the rug
And I'll continue to defend him because he's a vital player for us.
But you won't find one post from me saying he's a good finisher but I do recognise his attributes.
It's a ridiculous statement though. If Biamou could dribble and shoot like Maradona in his pomp, he'd be playing for Barcelona.But in reference to the original post, it’s something that’s been said countless times by many.
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Think we all recognise the attributes. But in reference to the original post, it’s something that’s been said countless times by many. He’s one of my favourites and he’s easily one of the first names on the teamsheet. It’s just not unfair to expect him to do better in quite a lot of his situations.
What has propped us up is Gyokeres's early season burst of goals. Even then though a lot were scuffed, mishits etc - a finisher he ain't... although he's a better finisher than O'Hare!I agree, but the same can be said of others who don't get the same scrutiny.
O'Hare was a free where as Hamer, Vik and Sheaf all commanded fees. All 3 are equally erratic in my opinion.
Vik missed a couple of good chances last night.
Sheaf went in for a couple of challenges last night with all the aggression of wet lettuce.
Hamer constantly goes missing in games.
Of course, they do lots of good stuff as well, but their falabilities never seem to get the same level of scrutiny.
Gotta admit Clint, he is pretty widely defended by fans!
Because otherwise he’s a stand out player compared to third rate tripe like Jamie Allen
Classy to defend a player by knocking another, who's actually had a pretty good season but yes, can't finish either and yes, can't take the game by the scruff of the neck like O'Hare.Because otherwise he’s a stand out player compared to third rate tripe like Jamie Allen
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Because otherwise he’s a stand out player compared to third rate tripe like Jamie Allen
Are you angry with Allen because he's bigger than you and O'Hare?
Your obsession is creepy and one of the reasons threads like this usually end up getting started. You go far too over the top one way at every little comment so it ends up in more.
See Biamou and JCH as other examples of your fixations, then when you jump on every post about them it ends up in more posts.
I think as others have pointed out it’s you that has the fixation on him.
You even say he kicks a ball like a girl or a 5 year old which is classic catty behaviour
Many others have pointed that out as well have they not - virtually every ratings thread you make some derogatory comment to start it and then most rate him better than others
Oddly the subject is O Hare start one entitled Jamie Allen is better than O Hare - you’ll get some replies I’m sure
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Correct. But why does O’Hare‘s poor end product get swept under the rug as much as it does? Because he’s a better player, maybe. So what, he should still be scoring more.
To be fair. Theres not many things hes better than him at, but Shipleys shooting is much better than COH's
No, you and fernando.
I said he struggles to kick a ball properly, you only have to watch to see this. It's either massively overhit or underhit. Sometimes he struggles to get the ball off the ground when he has a shot (in fairness this has improved the last few weeks). It's just pointing out what's actually happening.
It doesn't help when you are in every match thread banging on about how busy he is regardless of how he is actually playing. That's why you get responses as I said, like you did with Biamou and JCH. Every week JCH was amazing and Biamou poor, regardless of how they played. You then had responses every time Biamou did something decent or JCH dived.
It’s pointing out nothing but your opinion which actually CVD mostly scoffs at
Even when he’s not playing well yes he has a much greater influence than others as opponents see him as threatening so he drags players with him and away from others he’s always moving abs always creating space. It’s why he’s an automatic choice in the team - always.
To suggest I’m responsible for other people starting threads being positive is what’s really odd
Jch in the leagues we were in scored a goal every other game and was sold for a million - biamou has played 50 minutes of football since leaving here. So…
Well he averages more goals over 46 games.Based on a few goals in League 1 and a goal this season?
He only scored one or two more than O'Hare did in League 1 with similar appearances.
Based on a few goals in League 1 and a goal this season?
He only scored one or two more than O'Hare did in League 1 with similar appearances.
This proves the point.
Nobody said Shipley is better than O'Hare, however if you say he is better at shooting you get this sort of defensive nonsense.
Of course he can strike a ball and shoot better than O'Hare. You only have to have watched our matches over the past few years.
Well he averages more goals over 46 games.
I've seen him score some seriously scruffy goals in League 1.
Bit like Carl Baker. Used to score a load in League 1 but when you look back, the goalkeeping gifts him the goals.
O'Hare has missed so many. His finishing his awful. However, some of the chances saved this season would have gone in at League 1/2 level.
You aren't reading what's said. Shipley can strike a ball better and shoot through it.
Even his goal this season is better than I have ever seen O'hare strike a ball, then there's his Luton free kick.
Again, no way am I saying Shipley is better. Just the shooting part.
How many has he taken since Luton?To be fair, Shipley's free kicks since that Luton one have been horrific.
Yawwwwn what a tiresome argument. Why is it so unthinkable for people to not turn a blind eye to his shooting ability?
If Allen gets into the same positions as O’Hare, I expect him to at least worry the keeper.
Same with Sheaf, Hamer, Shipley, <enter player name>
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