If we lose at home to Rochdale ....... (2 Viewers)

Alan Dugdales Moustache · Jan 30, 2015

.......AND Pressley gives a positive spin on the team performance AND he is not sacked then I will consider ditching my season ticket for NOPM next season, because I will have no hope left. Where there is no hope there is no point.

...interestingly, a couple of years ago there was a documentary on the beeb just after Rochdale won promotion which labelled them as possibly THE most underachieving league club in history. They're above us, bless 'em.

RFC · Jan 30, 2015

It's the type of total negativity that you continue to pervey in the vast majority of your threads that's killing this club.

What we badly need is continuity & stability and a much more positive outlook, SP finding it very difficult to do that and rid us of the doom & gloom merchants.

You never know, we just might win and what then? PUSB!

Evo1883 · Jan 30, 2015

RFC said:
It's the type of total negativity that you continue to pervey

In all fairness ...any other club would already have sacked him , so its understandable negativity

Alan Dugdales Moustache · Jan 30, 2015

RFC said:
It's the type of total negativity that you continue to pervey

...why thank you !!

Steve.B50 · Jan 30, 2015

RFC said:
It's the type of total negativity that you continue to pervey in the vast majority of your threads that's killing this club.

What we badly need is continuity & stability and a much more positive outlook, SP finding it very difficult to do that and rid us of the doom & gloom merchants.

You never know, we just might win and what then? PUSB!

What on earth are you talking about you muppet?
Our club I'd dying a slow and lingering death and you have the nerve to write such rubbish.
Please, please tell me what is positive about our existence at present?
On second thoughts don't even bother to reply.

torchomatic · Jan 30, 2015

Are you doing one of these "If" threads every week?

6 Generations · Jan 30, 2015

RFC this negativity is based on 'Stevens' win ratio.

He sounds a likeable chap, but names like, Jackson, Tudgay, Madine and Nouble have not bee utilised correctly in my opinion.

it is a results game.

i do not think that he will be sacked, but his constant failure to put out a team at The Ricoh that can perform beyond the first 5 minutes, and actually have an attempt on target prior to the 80th minute, must now be under extreme scrutiny from his employer.

Pressley needs to assess whether he is reading the correct DNA pattern.

Alan Dugdales Moustache · Jan 30, 2015

torchomatic said:
Are you doing one of these "If" threads every week?

Yes. Next week it will be "if we win.........."

blueflint · Jan 30, 2015

good post by RFC again obviously lost the plot long ago wish he would give up

Alan Dugdales Moustache · Jan 30, 2015

RFC said:
It's the type of total negativity that you continue to pervey in the vast majority of your threads that's killing this club.

What we badly need is continuity & stability and a much more positive outlook, SP finding it very difficult to do that and rid us of the doom & gloom merchants.

You never know, we just might win and what then? PUSB!

My comments are not killing this club. Others will see to that. As far as what will happen if we do win, I will go home slightly more optimistic, especially when Clive Eakin announces that we are only 6 points from the play offs. I admire your optimism, but for you to say that my comments are contributing to the club's death are absolute nonsense. I have been a season ticket holder for all but three years since 1976 so don't lecture me about killing the club. I've put plenty of money their way.

bigfatronssba · Jan 30, 2015

RFC said:
You never know, we just might win and what then? PUSB!

What then? Well this:

We will at best be 6 points off relegation to the 4th tier, in the lowly position of 16th if results go our way, with most teams below us having a game in hand.

So yes you're right. A win tomorrow and everything is wonderful with our club.

RFC · Jan 30, 2015

Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
My comments are not killing this club. Others will see to that. As far as what will happen if we do win, I will go home slightly more optimistic, especially when Clive Eakin announces that we are only 6 points from the play offs. I admire your optimism, but for you to say that my comments are contributing to the club are absolute nonsense. I have been a season ticket holder for all but three years since 1976 so don't lecture me about killing the club.

Not just your comments but far too many (not just on this forum but in general) and it's the overall negativity that's surounfed this club for more years than I care to remember that SP's attempting to rid us of.

Concentrating ALL our efforts on supporting and backing the manager & the team over a longer period (rather than the revolving door hire & fire short-term policy) we've adopted over the last 20 yrs or so!

It's impossible to change things 'overnight', it takes several years, at least 3 or 4 but I'm well aware we currently live in an 'instant society', Google, Twitter & Facebook etc..

Also don't understand the obsession about our owners when what they've done or attempted to do has been affected by other outside influences. Owners are owners and are like players, they come and go but I'm in it for life, committed and passionate whatever the circumstances or situation.

Unhappy with some things that have gone on but that's been the case throughout the time Iv'e supported the club under umpteen owners. These aren't that different to dozens of others, seen far worse and some better!

PUSB!

RFC · Jan 30, 2015

bigfatronssba said:
What then? Well this:

We will at best be 6 points off relegation to the 4th tier, in the lowly position of 16th if results go our way, with most teams below us having a game in hand.

So yes you're right. A win tomorrow and everything is wonderful with our club.

Agree but not just tomorrow, we need to string 2,3 or 4 wins in-a-row and go on an unbeaten run that turns a few of those draws into wins.

albatross · Jan 30, 2015

RFC said:
Not just your comments but far too many (not just on this forum but in general) and it's the overall negativity that's surounfed this club for more years than I care to remember that SP's attempting to rid us of.

Concentrating ALL our efforts on supporting and backing the manager & the team over a longer period (rather than the revolving door hire & fire short-term policy) we've adopted over the last 20 yrs or so!

It's impossible to change things 'overnight', it takes several years, at least 3 or 4 but I'm well aware we currently live in an 'instant society', Google, Twitter & Facebook etc..

Also don't understand the obsession about our owners when what they've done or attempted to do has been affected by other outside influences. Owners are owners and are like players, they come and go but I'm in it for life, committed and passionate whatever the circumstances or situation.

Unhappy with some things that have gone on but that's been the case throughout the time Iv'e supported the club under umpteen owners. These aren't that different to dozens of others, seen far worse and some better!

PUSB!

we are currently in year 7, long past your 3 or 4

Alan Dugdales Moustache · Jan 30, 2015

RFC said:
Not just your comments but far too many (not just on this forum but in general) and it's the overall negativity that's surounfed this club for more years than I care to remember that SP's attempting to rid us of.

Concentrating ALL our efforts on supporting and backing the manager & the team over a longer period (rather than the revolving door hire & fire short-term policy) we've adopted over the last 20 yrs or so!

It's impossible to change things 'overnight', it takes several years, at least 3 or 4 but I'm well aware we currently live in an 'instant society', Google, Twitter & Facebook etc..

Also don't understand the obsession about our owners when what they've done or attempted to do has been affected by other outside influences. Owners are owners and are like players, they come and go but I'm in it for life, committed and passionate whatever the circumstances or situation.

Unhappy with some things that have gone on but that's been the case throughout the time Iv'e supported the club under umpteen owners. These aren't that different to dozens of others, seen far worse and some better!

PUSB!

...what have our owners attempted to do exactly ?

bigfatronssba · Jan 30, 2015

RFC said:
Not just your comments but far too many (not just on this forum but in general) and it's the overall negativity that's surounfed this club for more years than I care to remember that SP's attempting to rid us of.

Concentrating ALL our efforts on supporting and backing the manager & the team over a longer period (rather than the revolving door hire & fire short-term policy) we've adopted over the last 20 yrs or so!

It's impossible to change things 'overnight', it takes several years, at least 3 or 4 but I'm well aware we currently live in an 'instant society', Google, Twitter & Facebook etc..

Also don't understand the obsession about our owners when what they've done or attempted to do has been affected by other outside influences. Owners are owners and are like players, they come and go but I'm in it for life, committed and passionate whatever the circumstances or situation.

Unhappy with some things that have gone on but that's been the case throughout the time Iv'e supported the club under umpteen owners. These aren't that different to dozens of others, seen far worse and some better!

PUSB!

I'm sorry but you clearly demonstrate the loser mentality that has affected this club for the last 40 years. The "oh well it will be better next year" attitude is what has held this club back for so long.

You should be demanding change, and you should be demanding it now. Instead you just keep doing the same as you always have, and want us to go along with it. Don't criticise, just pay your money, go to the game and clap like a seal, watch us lose, then do it all again the next week.

How do you think the club will change and adapt with that attitude? Why do you expect the future to be any better than the past if you just do the same things over and over?

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. :- Albert Einstein

ccfcway · Jan 30, 2015

RFC said:
What we badly need is continuity & stability !

he says 24 hours after our 9th loan this season joins us !

martcov · Jan 30, 2015

RFC said:
Agree but not just tomorrow, we need to string 2,3 or 4 wins in-a-row and go on an unbeaten run that turns a few of those draws into wins.

I thought it was the fairy god mother that turned draws into wins........

4waspsting · Jan 30, 2015

He'll come up with more excuses twat

Sick Boy · Jan 30, 2015

Steve.B50 said:
What on earth are you talking about you muppet?
Our club I'd dying a slow and lingering death and you have the nerve to write such rubbish.
Please, please tell me what is positive about our existence at present?
On second thoughts don't even bother to reply.

We have a trust embracing franchise sport?

mrtrench · Jan 30, 2015

RFC said:
It's the type of total negativity that you continue to pervey in the vast majority of your threads that's killing this club.

No it isn't. The mismanagement is killing the club. The negativity is a symptom not the cause.

Do you also think that the spots cause chicken pox?

skybluedan · Jan 30, 2015

I'm still waiting for this exciting new year news regarding the stadium

Godiva · Jan 30, 2015

Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
My comments are not killing this club. Others will see to that. As far as what will happen if we do win, I will go home slightly more optimistic, especially when Clive Eakin announces that we are only 6 points from the play offs. I admire your optimism, but for you to say that my comments are contributing to the club's death are absolute nonsense. I have been a season ticket holder for all but three years since 1976 so don't lecture me about killing the club. I've put plenty of money their way.

I suddenly remember this post from September 2012:

Thorn got three league games, then he was sacked. Was that the wrong timing? Should he have had 10 more games to show what great squad he had assembled?
Or should he have gone at the end of the season and let another manager assemble his own team?

Nothing is ever 100% right or 100% wrong. So there's no definete answer to those questions. Except for those who live in a black and white world. In their head there's always a 100% right answer.

The main reason Thorn was sacked after three games was that there was no real evidence this season would be any different from last season. We couldn't buy three points for our life.
That's a habbit. It's in the head of the players and the management team. They knew there was no way they would ever win a match. Because it has been like that forever.
They knew they would concede a soft goal due to an individual error - and when it happened, their expectations were met.

So Shaw/Carsley got to recitify this. But in their heads they had the same expectations, so they didn't really change anything. The same players, the same linup ... more or less, the same play style, the same training sessions, the same pre match pep talk.

And players low on confidence make mistakes. Passes to an opponent. Overhits his shot. Concede a penalty because he just won't lose his man again. Do the complicated thing to show he's not a bad player but gives the ball away.
They try, but in their heads they know it wont be good enough, and so it's not good enough.

Should they have just a tiny little bit of confidence from the prematch pep talk, it evaporate as soon as the crowd starts booing.

You see, it's also in your head. And in my head.
We just know we can't win. We are used to losing. So we help the players to meet our expectation. Boo them, intimidate them, abuse them, scare them.

And we do it everywhere. At the game, on twitter, on facebook and on this forum. Most players read what we think about them, and that's not easy reading.
We justify our abuse by pointing to their pay check. They're much richer that most of us.
So they should deliver nothing less than a spotless performance everytime they show up.
Which nobody can. But first time they mess up, we're all over them telling them exactly what we think of them.
And we think they're a bunch of loses. It's in our heads.

But we can't really lay all the blame on the players, so we turn against Fischer & Waggot. Afterall they are appointed by Sisu, so they can't be any good. And as Waggot himself has admitted he signed the new players - from a list drafted by Thorn, Shaw, Carsley and Oggy - he must surely be the master crook.
And Fischer who refuses to pay £1.2m rent out of a <£5m income, he really is Don Corleone reincarnated using mafia methods to balance the finances. A few appreciate the need for balancing the books, but does it have to be today?
It's in our head. We are used to hear the club is bleeding money every year. So surely we can bleed a few years more.

Sisu, who have been our owners for so many years, are surely responsible for the decline of our once proud club. They were following in the footsteps of Richardson, Robinson and other failed owners. In our heads we expected them to just keep pouring money in. Spend milions on new exciting players and more milions on the paychecks. Forget about balancing the books - that's not something we're used to. It's not in our heads, so we can't understand it.

Anyway.
In comes Robins. Immidiately we are excited. Well, some are. Actually most would have preferred Thorn or Wise or Ince or Black or Nielsson or Wenger or Money. But a handful were excited Robins got the job.

He holds one training session looking at the players. Let them do what they are used to and in training they perform well and with confidence. They want to impress the new manager.
Then he picks the team, do some pre match peptalk and off to the pitch they go.
Expecting to win. To finally show that they actually are good players.

One stray pass later and some heavy swearing from the stands, the confindence starts to evaporate. A questionable pen to the opponents and it's all back to business as usual.
We were always going to lose.
It's in the players heads.
It's in our heads.

But it's not in Robins head.
Now it will show if he really is the manager we need. If he's someone who can address the clubs losing mentality.
If he is to succeed his first and most important task is to brainwash the players and the fans into believing we can win.

Afterall, the players really are good enough for this level (and most even for the next). Unfortunately they don't know it. Don't believe it.

A year ago many fans put in much effort in creating a sisu-out-campaign.
Could those people put in just a tiny fraction of that energy and start a 'yes, we can' campaign?
I have a feeling Robins will need some help erasing the losing mentality.
A lot of help!

blueflint · Jan 31, 2015

RFC said:
Not just your comments but far too many (not just on this forum but in general) and it's the overall negativity that's surounfed this club for more years than I care to remember that SP's attempting to rid us of.

Concentrating ALL our efforts on supporting and backing the manager & the team over a longer period (rather than the revolving door hire & fire short-term policy) we've adopted over the last 20 yrs or so!

It's impossible to change things 'overnight', it takes several years, at least 3 or 4 but I'm well aware we currently live in an 'instant society', Google, Twitter & Facebook etc..

Also don't understand the obsession about our owners when what they've done or attempted to do has been affected by other outside influences. Owners are owners and are like players, they come and go but I'm in it for life, committed and passionate whatever the circumstances or situation.

Unhappy with some things that have gone on but that's been the case throughout the time Iv'e supported the club under umpteen owners. These aren't that different to dozens of others, seen far worse and some better!

PUSB!

the obsession with our owners is simple they are responsible for our situation

bawtryneal · Jan 31, 2015

RFC said:
It's the type of total negativity that you continue to pervey in the vast majority of your threads that's killing this club.

What we badly need is continuity & stability and a much more positive outlook, SP finding it very difficult to do that and rid us of the doom & gloom merchants.

You never know, we just might win and what then? PUSB!

i do not see continuity from SISU. I see short termism and fire fighting. Where is their long term planning and commitment to get us back in the Championship Answer that !!
Does SP deserve the sack, probably not. Has he made the best situation with the players he has, in my opinion no.
We will get relegated if nothing changes, mark my words.
Do you think SISU have done a good job with their aggressive stance to CCC. They have reaped what they have sown and have been out manoeuvred. Time to move on.

Jack Griffin · Jan 31, 2015

RFC said:
Not just your comments but far too many (not just on this forum but in general) and it's the overall negativity that's surounfed this club for more years than I care to remember that SP's attempting to rid us of.

Concentrating ALL our efforts on supporting and backing the manager & the team over a longer period (rather than the revolving door hire & fire short-term policy) we've adopted over the last 20 yrs or so!

It's impossible to change things 'overnight', it takes several years, at least 3 or 4 but I'm well aware we currently live in an 'instant society', Google, Twitter & Facebook etc..

Also don't understand the obsession about our owners when what they've done or attempted to do has been affected by other outside influences. Owners are owners and are like players, they come and go but I'm in it for life, committed and passionate whatever the circumstances or situation.

Unhappy with some things that have gone on but that's been the case throughout the time Iv'e supported the club under umpteen owners. These aren't that different to dozens of others, seen far worse and some better!

PUSB!

That viewpoint is just not true, if there is negativity then it is SISU brought it with them, they have no intention of running a Football club, they are assert managers and totally unsuited to running CCFC or any other sports club, if we can get rid of them you might see an upturn in spirit, but not till then. Trouble with you is you are an inflexible thinker (if you think at all).. I don't think you have a trace of the visionary in your soul, you are destined to be a follower who is set in their ways, stuck in a rut.

Nonleagueherewecome · Jan 31, 2015

RFC said:
It's the type of total negativity that you continue to pervey in the vast majority of your threads that's killing this club.

What we badly need is continuity & stability and a much more positive outlook, SP finding it very difficult to do that and rid us of the doom & gloom merchants.

You never know, we just might win and what then? PUSB!

It's not negativity that is killing this football club you pratt, it's your beloved SISU. Someone moaning on a forum doesn't have any impact on our decline. The fans have every right to be negative and would have to be on uppers or lobotomised to think otherwise.

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