I'm going to Northampton on Sunday (1 Viewer)

justvisiting · Aug 8, 2013

98joscro said:
No match day revenue would be my guess. The fact that ACL were willing to reduce rent 90% shows what a bad deal it was for the club and why something had to be done about it. However SISU's bully tactics clearly were not the right choice.

Just for a bit of balance, Leeds were and are paying £2m a year rent on the stadium and training facilities. I'm not saying that's reasonable just like I'm not saying £1.3m is reasonable for the Ricoh but we managed to get out of League 1 with £2m rent, a wages to turnover ratio of about 40% (when FFP regs now say about 70%) and a string of pointless vanity building projects being paid for by our useless chairman. We even had our own radio station playing Bates propaganda that lost £1m a year every year.

It makes a difference when average gates are low 20,000s and ticket prices are scandalous but it is possible to be competetive while being screwed on the rent. If SISU can't make a competetive financial model out of a club as well supported as yours, even with £1.3m/year in rent they only have themselves to blame. If they can't do it with a rent of £150K then they're idiots and Coventry would be better off in the hands of whoever from the city did best at Football Manager this year.

skybluelee · Aug 8, 2013

98joscro said:
I understand that 99% of you will not be attending and I respect your view. SISU want us to be playing in Coventry, why wouldn't they? A move outside the city lowers revenue and ruins the relationship with the fans, if there was a suitable ground within the city we would be playing there. This isn't an issue of SISU wanting to leave the city, it's an issue of city wanting to leave the Ricoh.

The club was suffering a slow death under the Ricoh deal, that is undeniable. The action taken by SISU was horrendously executed but it was necessary for the survival of the club. The way our fans blame SISU 100% is puzzling, the council have been complicit with the mismanagement of the club for decades, ACL have been overcharging and making money out of the club (800k p/a).

SISU have been terrible owners that is a fact. But when have we ever been a well-run club? SISU clearly want success for the club, why else have they not sold us? They want to unite the club with the stadium and sell us, if they achieve that club will be in its best financial position for decades, perhaps ever. So what the NOPM strategy achieve?

SISU are no mugs, Tim Fisher will know attendance will be very low and will be making plans based on this. NOPM will not "starve out" SISU, it might kill the club. The fact that some fans have been talking about creating a phoenix club while the club is still alive is not right.

Who do you want to replace SISU? The bidders clearly didn't have the money they claimed to. Hoffman and Elliott have been involved in the mismanagement of the club for years.

ACL forced the club into administration last season to prevent liquidation. This season they forced us into liquidation. Why?

This has turned into a bit of a ramble but I'll end it with this.

I have no allegiance to CCC/ACL/SISU, only to CCFC. I'll be at Sixfields because I support CCFC, I won't be at the Ricoh supporting a landlord who gained control over my club due to mistakes of the previous regimes.

A simple question who would you rather come out of this mess better, SISU or ACL? If SISU succeed the club will be back in Coventry paying less rent and receiving match day revenue if ACL succeed the club might well die.

If your car breaks down enroute please let us know on this forum because it will make my weekend.

Sky Blue Harry H · Aug 8, 2013

Got my ticket (for Ricoh) today - how are sales going. Important we get a good turn out. Need to drum up as many as possible. PUSB

SIR ERNIE · Aug 8, 2013

<<It makes a difference when average gates are low 20,000s and ticket prices are scandalous but it is possible to be competetive while being screwed on the rent. If SISU can't make a competetive financial model out of a club as well supported as yours, even with £1.3m/year in rent they only have themselves to blame.If they can't do it with a rent of £150K then they're idiots and Coventry would be better off in the hands of whoever from the city did best at Football Manager this year.>>

Great post 'justvisiting' however the key, key thing to realise here is that in rejecting the perfectly reasonable £150k offer, SISU clearly demonstrated that they don't WANT to make a competitive model out of the club.

Why? because from day one all the wanted was the Ricoh Arena.

Its that EFFING SIMPLE.

justvisiting · Aug 8, 2013

SIR ERNIE said:
<<It makes a difference when average gates are low 20,000s and ticket prices are scandalous but it is possible to be competetive while being screwed on the rent. If SISU can't make a competetive financial model out of a club as well supported as yours, even with £1.3m/year in rent they only have themselves to blame.If they can't do it with a rent of £150K then they're idiots and Coventry would be better off in the hands of whoever from the city did best at Football Manager this year.>>

Great post 'justvisiting' however the key, key thing to realise here is that in rejecting the perfectly reasonable £150k offer, SISU clearly demonstrated that they don't WANT to make a competitive model out of the club.

Why? because from day one all the wanted was the Ricoh Arena.

Its that EFFING SIMPLE.

I agree, but every so often someone comes along who pretends that's not the case and it's worth pointing out that even if that wasn't the case, SISU's arguments would still be wrong.

Johnnythespider · Aug 8, 2013

Scab is the wrong word, a puss sodden open wound is more like it, don't like the OP at all, attention seeking bollocks from a newbie. Do enjoy the game.

Covstu · Aug 8, 2013

each to their own, I wont hammer the guy for making that choice. We all want one thing and that is 3 points.

simple_simon · Aug 8, 2013

RFC said:
ACL WILL BE MAKING MONEY FROM SUNDAY's Charity Game!

How will they?
Unlike SISU ACL have to and do present there accounts, not saying they are innocent in all this but they are open and accountable to others.
The Diamond Club and Sky BLue Trust are helping in ticket office all for free, the only people getting paid are kitchen and bar staff.
Why do you have to ruin what could be a great day by making such accusations?

Johnnythespider · Aug 8, 2013

Covstu said:
each to their own, I wont hammer the guy for making that choice. We all want one thing and that is 3 points.

I honestly don't mind him going stu, it's the fact he felt he had to join a forum and tell everybody he was going. Like i said attention seeking.

Spionkop · Aug 8, 2013

He's making a futile effort at a slur on the Ricoh people and the organisation of the game.

Broken Hearted Sky Blue · Aug 8, 2013

The former players association arranged this game not ACL I think the only reason its short notice is because there was still a chance CCFC would be playing at the Ricoh.

Deleted member 5849 · Aug 8, 2013

Johnnythespider said:
I honestly don't mind him going stu, it's the fact he felt he had to join a forum and tell everybody he was going. Like i said attention seeking.

tbf, loads of people are coming on a forum to say they're not going, so what's the difference?

Skyblue4u · Aug 8, 2013

Go to the match if you want but don't bore the rest of us with it you attention seeking gimp

Sky blue north east · Aug 8, 2013

I was going to go northampton but am not now but will be travelling down to listen to the game and see family, already been to crawley and orient but thought bout it long and hard will not go northampton however also i will NOT set foot in ricoh for a meaningless charity game while we play infact if we dont return to ricoh id quite happily watch it burn down i hold ACL/CCC just as guilty as SISU in this whole mess COME ON YOU SKY BLUES FOR SUNDAY!!!!!

simple_simon · Aug 8, 2013

Broken Hearted Sky Blue said:
The former players association arranged this game not ACL I think the only reason its short notice is because there was still a chance CCFC would be playing at the Ricoh.

Good point.

simple_simon · Aug 8, 2013

Sky blue north east said:
I was going to go northampton but am not now but will be travelling down to listen to the game and see family, already been to crawley and orient but thought bout it long and hard will not go northampton however also i will NOT set foot in ricoh for a meaningless charity game while we play infact if we dont return to ricoh id quite happily watch it burn down i hold ACL/CCC just as guilty as SISU in this whole mess COME ON YOU SKY BLUES FOR SUNDAY!!!!!

Fair comment north east, but why do you think CCC/ACL are as guilty
. Not judging just asking?

Johnnythespider · Aug 8, 2013

Deleted member 5849 said:
tbf, loads of people are coming on a forum to say they're not going, so what's the difference?

The difference, there not going, he is.

Deleted member 5849 · Aug 8, 2013

Johnnythespider said:
The difference, there not going, he is.

Can't argue with that:claping hands:

Ian Coventry · Aug 8, 2013

I have to agree with 98 joscro neither side come out smelling of roses but for me the biggest culprits is ACL not sisu. ACL have bled CCFC to death you can't have a successful football club with this ongoing situation, the solution has to be one owner of club and ground.

jesus-wept · Aug 8, 2013

Another new poster, welcome my friend. Where does Timmy keep getting them from ?

simple_simon · Aug 8, 2013

Agreed.
No one can argue that, but do you just stop paying the rent, do you invest in the team, do you just lie to abs, do you sort it outer do you are the team out of Coventry rob ably never to return?
As I ave said before both ACL/CCC are accountable SSU are not.
.

skybluebeduff · Aug 8, 2013

So many seriously deluded people, go to Northampton, then you're funding SISU to stay, it's so fucking simple.

Nick · Aug 8, 2013

Who cares if people want to go?

Ian Coventry · Aug 8, 2013

The reason sisu never entered into the offered rent of £150k is simple the damage to the relationship between them and ACL is irreconcilable its like asking a bitterly divorced couple to sleep together for the sake of the kids, it just aint going to happen anytime soon.

deanocity3 · Aug 8, 2013

Nick said:
Who cares if people want to go?

there all dressing up as stewards to get in free

Steve.B50 · Aug 8, 2013

Ian Coventry said:
The reason sisu never entered into the offered rent of £150k is simple the damage to the relationship between them and ACL is irreconcilable its like asking a bitterly divorced couple to sleep together for the sake of the kids, it just aint going to happen anytime soon.

But you still talk things through for the sake of the kids and even stay under same roof till you make other arrangements. You don't just both walk out and leave the kids crying.

Broken Hearted Sky Blue · Aug 8, 2013

Ian Coventry said:
The reason sisu never entered into the offered rent of £150k is simple the damage to the relationship between them and ACL is irreconcilable its like asking a bitterly divorced couple to sleep together for the sake of the kids, it just aint going to happen anytime soon.

Surely the judge in this case would have awarded custody after taking into account the awfull abuse of the child by the parent who was looking after it?

Ian Coventry · Aug 8, 2013

The reason ACL/CCC are just as guilty is also very simple they are duty bound to get as much money as possible for the Ratepayers of coventry that is their REMIT they have no choice but to screw as much money out of CCFC as they possibly can or they fail in there duty to the ratepayer, they like sisu have no interest in CCFC or even in football their only interest is in getting money . likewise Sisu is the same but in order for them to make any money they have to make some sort of success of the club, success of the club means money in their pockets and thats all they are interested, it all boils down to money !!!

Ian Coventry · Aug 8, 2013

if the judge was a football fan he would award custody to sisu, if he was a ratepayer with no interest in football he would award custody to ACL/CCC

Broken Hearted Sky Blue · Aug 8, 2013

Ian Coventry said:
The reason ACL/CCC are just as guilty is also very simple they are duty bound to get as much money as possible for the Ratepayers of coventry that is their REMIT they have no choice but to screw as much money out of CCFC as they possibly can or they fail in there duty to the ratepayer, they like sisu have no interest in CCFC or even in football their only interest is in getting money . likewise Sisu is the same but in order for them to make any money they have to make some sort of success of the club, success of the club means money in their pockets and thats all they are interested, it all boils down to money !!!

You are right ACL make more money by reducing the rent from 1.2 million to 150000 and Sisu make more money by playing in front of 1000 in Northampton:thinking about::facepalm:

Steve.B50 · Aug 8, 2013

Ian, what you say does make sense but the Council and ACL do have to do things to the book and we can always check this book but our owners very much like the FL can make it up as they go along.
If I had to ate a choice between both as to who actually cares the most about the supporters I know where my vote would go.
SISU knew the rent when they took us on and why it was so high, they should have started talking then.

Broken Hearted Sky Blue · Aug 8, 2013

Ian Coventry said:
if the judge was a football fan he would award custody to sisu, if he was a ratepayer with no interest in football he would award custody to ACL/CCC

Only in cloud cuckooland

longjohnskyblue · Aug 8, 2013

Delboycov said:
Thanks Deano...fair enough....Tesco it is then ;-) Should be a great day.

Same could be said of the trust! None of the money from those bands is going to the charity!

Steve.B50 · Aug 8, 2013

Ian Coventry said:
if the judge was a football fan he would award custody to sisu, if he was a ratepayer with no interest in football he would award custody to ACL/CCC

But 50% of ACL is a charity,the same charity where the youngsters play, so does the judge pick, Football, Youth or Coventry rate payers?

Steve.B50 · Aug 8, 2013

longjohnskyblue said:
Same could be said of the trust! None of the money from those bands is going to the charity!

On Sunday they are.

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