In or around Coventry....does it matter? (1 Viewer)

bigfatronssba · Apr 27, 2014

Regarding the Bees, its worth noting that they were founded as the Brandon Bees and, apart from a few occasions post war, have always played outside the city.

There was a team pre war that raced at Lythalls Lane, and they were the original Coventry team. The Bees renamed themselves Coventry when the original Coventry team shut down.

bigfatronssba · Apr 27, 2014

No one has yet answered my question as to why I should support a new stadium outside the city when sisu haven't even attempted to build one within the city.

ajsccfc · Apr 27, 2014

And nobody's refilled my drink!

Otis · Apr 27, 2014

ajsccfc said:
And nobody's refilled my drink!

Where's my curry?

Samo · Apr 27, 2014

bigfatronssba said:
No one has yet answered my question as to why I should support a new stadium outside the city when sisu haven't even attempted to build one within the city.

Because they know as well as we do that they will not be allowed to build within the city.

Samo · Apr 27, 2014

bigfatronssba said:
Regarding the Bees, its worth noting that they were founded as the Brandon Bees and, apart from a few occasions post war, have always played outside the city.

There was a team pre war that raced at Lythalls Lane, and they were the original Coventry team. The Bees renamed themselves Coventry when the original Coventry team shut down.

Nonetheless... The Bees do represent Coventry and are based outside the city. It clearly demonstrates that the arrangement can work. I'm not saying that's what should happen, far from it. Just that its not impossible and that we shouldn't perhaps be getting so worked up over lines in the dirt.

bigfatronssba · Apr 27, 2014

Samo said:
Because they know as well as we do that they will not be allowed to build within the city.

Says who?

You and sisu know full well that the council cant refuse a legitimate planning application.

So I repeat, why aren't the club exploring options to build a new stadium within the city?

Samo · Apr 27, 2014

bigfatronssba said:
Says who?

You and sisu know full well that the council cant refuse a legitimate planning application.

So I repeat, why aren't the club exploring options to build a new stadium within the city?

Says common sense. The word 'legitimate' is open to interpretation and there are many creative ways to prevent something from happening. And do you honestly think SISU are going to go cap in hand their best buddies at CCC for planning permission? It will never happen so why bother discussing it?

Grendel · Apr 27, 2014

bigfatronssba said:
Says who?

You and sisu know full well that the council cant refuse a legitimate planning application.

So I repeat, why aren't the club exploring options to build a new stadium within the city?

Because they would make life as difficult as they could. They can refuse permission and force sisu to appeal - they would put obstacle after obstacle in their way.

martcov · Apr 27, 2014

Grendel said:
Because they would make life as difficult as they could. They can refuse permission and force sisu to appeal - they would put obstacle after obstacle in their way.

Yes, SISU are well aware of that. They know the tactic of involving people in time-consuming and costly litigation. Indeed that was Joy's threat to involve the council in time-consuming and costly litigation if she didn't get the Ricoh on her terms. SISU also used this tactic recently against Higgs by presenting a "hopeless case" counterclaim which resulted in a relatively minor dispute having to go to the High Court thus involving both sides in a costly case - which could have been fought in a lower court or sttled by negotiation. So, yes, I agree with Grendel.

ccfc92 · Apr 27, 2014

Samo said:
Nonetheless... The Bees do represent Coventry and are based outside the city. It clearly demonstrates that the arrangement can work. I'm not saying that's what should happen, far from it. Just that its not impossible and that we shouldn't perhaps be getting so worked up over lines in the dirt.

I've read this whole thread, and do see your point about the Bees. I also see Astute and Ron's points. I think it comes down to principal of where CCFC play. We used to have a club within walking distance of town. Then they moved to further afield purely down to infrastructure. If we moved to the ricoh and it was out of the "city limits", I imagine we wouldn't think much of it other than the "it's closer to Nuneaton" comments we do now. It's the fact that the club has been taken away completely, and all we've been told the team will return to the "Coventry area" is why people are so against "1 foot outside of officially Coventry" IMO

bigfatronssba · Apr 27, 2014

Samo said:
Says common sense. The word 'legitimate' is open to interpretation and there are many creative ways to prevent something from happening. And do you honestly think SISU are going to go cap in hand their best buddies at CCC for planning permission? It will never happen so why bother discussing it?

So what makes you think they wont encounter the same problems outside the city?

Coventry is surrounded by green belt. That means an automatic no no to the ground being built there.

It would be much easier and cheaper to build a stadium in the city than out of it.

Astute · Apr 27, 2014

Some people seem to be happy with 'in the Coventry area' The reason I am against it is that it started within 3 miles IIRC. Once the FOI details came out they said it was much further. Was it within 7 miles? Would that be as the Crow flies? Blackpool is less than 10 miles from my house as the crow flies, but takes over an hour to get there. I remember looking at how far this supposed ground could be away and it went as far as Solihull. Maybe it is all bluster and won't be built and was said to stop another FOI search being done. Who knows.

Samo · Apr 27, 2014

bigfatronssba said:
So what makes you think they wont encounter the same problems outside the city?

Coventry is surrounded by green belt. That means an automatic no no to the ground being built there.

It would be much easier and cheaper to build a stadium in the city than out of it.

They would undoubtedly encounter problems outside of the city and for those reasons, even if there was a genuine intent to build, it may never happen. But at least they would be dealing with people they haven't already pissed off! But all of this is academic because it will never happen. Could you see Joy asking CCC for permission for anything?

letsallsingtogether · Apr 27, 2014

So they should.

Grendel said:
Because they would make life as difficult as they could. They can refuse permission and force sisu to appeal - they would put obstacle after obstacle in their way.

ccfc92 · Apr 27, 2014

letsallsingtogether said:
So they should.

ah, but as you are saying sisu should have a bad time, your really saying you hate CCFC and want them to go bust

blend · Apr 27, 2014

Slightly off on a tangent but I see that Warwickshire CC have now been renamed the Birmingham Bears for the T20. It makes a difference, for the first season I shall not be attending any matches. Always a risk if you camp outside your area, I do understand that Birmingham used to be in Warwickshire many moons ago and the club hasn't actually moved anywhere. Lots of teams that do move outside their boundaries change names. That's why for me Coventry play in Coventry, not Coventry-ish.

skybluefred · Apr 27, 2014

Samo said:
Oh I see, you actually are that stupid. Ok I'll spell it out; The reason I have used Coventry Bees as an example is that they DO
NOT ride within the city boundary but DO represent Coventry. Do you see?

When I used to go to the speedway it was always Brandon Bees with no mention of Coventry. When did the name change take place?

skybluefred · Apr 27, 2014

Otis said:
But that they do make a good Christmas dinner.

Unfortunately in all my golfing years I have never got an eagle.

I have one hole in one,fortunately the Clubhouse was nearly empty. Lol.

skybluefred · Apr 27, 2014

Otis said:
Best ever score at Brandon for me is 173.

It's a long hard course.

Paxman II · Apr 27, 2014

skybluefred said:
When I used to go to the speedway it was always Brandon Bees with no mention of Coventry. When did the name change take place?

I can assure you the speedway team represent Coventry. My brother rode for them, I should know that!

letsallsingtogether · Apr 27, 2014

Haven't they already? can't survive another season at Northampton never mind another 3 and the cost of a new stadium around there neck people need to open their eyes if they believe all is going to be well......

And if it means I hate City after 40 years of supporting them including this season because I hate the current situation then so be it but I will still be there next season if they are still around just not at Shitfields......

ccfc92 said:
ah, but as you are saying sisu should have a bad time, your really saying you hate CCFC and want them to go bust

Houdi · Apr 27, 2014

ccfc92 said:
I've read this whole thread, and do see your point about the Bees. I also see Astute and Ron's points. I think it comes down to principal of where CCFC play. We used to have a club within walking distance of town. Then they moved to further afield purely down to infrastructure. If we moved to the ricoh and it was out of the "city limits", I imagine we wouldn't think much of it other than the "it's closer to Nuneaton" comments we do now. It's the fact that the club has been taken away completely, and all we've been told the team will return to the "Coventry area" is why people are so against "1 foot outside of officially Coventry" IMO

Football is our national sport played by millions,virtually every person has played football even if its just a kickabout, whereas speedway is a minority sport that very few people have ever even tried. There are probably only 50/60 speedway teams and tracks in the UK,whereas there are thousands of football teams. So if the Coventry Bees ride in the Rugby area or even move to the Nuneaton area, they are hardly like to meet objections from these areas, there is no Nuneaton Speedway team,who might object.
However CCFC can hardly roll up in a neighbouring town, without expecting the local team to have a strong and legitimate objection to us playing in their 'home' area.
On Coventry's northern border you are virtually straight into the Bedworth/Nuneaton conurbation, go South and you are virtually straight into Kenilworth. Stoneleigh and Baginton have poor access, and the TollBar roadworks would probably rule out any site near Ryton. The new ground fantasy has been going on for over 12 months, and seemingly no one has been able to identify any location in the Coventry area,which is seen as a credible possible location.

davebart · Apr 27, 2014

To be fair to SISU in this, football no longer has any affinity whatsoever with its roots. Many teams hardly have any players born in this country never mind in the town they play for. A large proportion of fans don't live in the town they support. This can especially be said of ManU where most supporters have no physical link with the place at all.

As far as the new types of owners are concerned the names are just a brand. Where they play is irrelevant except they need to be where they can make the most money. To Sheiks and Oligarchs does it matter that Man City is in Manchester or Chelsea in London?

We the fans only matter as long as we keep buying the shirts.

If Sisu got the club to the prem they would get lots of fans turn up no matter where they played. That is the truth of it.

letsallsingtogether · Apr 27, 2014

Funny that is what Tim said..... He said they were moving away and we will get 3,000 every week and 6,000 upwards if we do well? everyone laughed at him then and guess what we are still laughing....

I don't believe they will ever fill a ground outside Cov unless it is full of Wolves fans apparently could have sold 10,000 for Saturdays game..
I for one wouldn't go....

davebart said:
To be fair to SISU in this, football no longer has any affinity whatsoever with its roots. Many teams hardly have any players born in this country never mind in the town they play for. A large proportion of fans don't live in the town they support. This can especially be said of ManU where most supporters have no physical link with the place at all.

As far as the new types of owners are concerned the names are just a brand. Where they play is irrelevant except they need to be where they can make the most money. To Sheiks and Oligarchs does it matter that Man City is in Manchester or Chelsea in London?

We the fans only matter as long as we keep buying the shirts.

If Sisu got the club to the prem they would get lots of fans turn up no matter where they played. That is the truth of it.

dongonzalos · Apr 27, 2014

The only thing that surprises me is that many more were outraged at the idea of Mr Haskell buying Nuneaton moving them to the Ricoh and funding them up the leagues. Back then to some the boundaries were the most important thing in the world. Now boundary what boundary

mds · Apr 28, 2014

Coventry in Coventry, history heritage everything!

Nick · Apr 28, 2014

dongonzalos said:
The only thing that surprises me is that many more were outraged at the idea of Mr Haskell buying Nuneaton moving them to the Ricoh and funding them up the leagues. Back then to some the boundaries were the most important thing in the world. Now boundary what boundary

That was nothing to do with boundaries was it?

Hobo · Apr 28, 2014

skybluefred said:
When I used to go to the speedway it was always Brandon Bees with no mention of Coventry. When did the name change take place?

I started going in 1968 and they were certainly known as Coventry then.

Mr T - Sukka! · Apr 28, 2014

What the original poster is asking us quite straight forward but i will put it another way.

Are you fine with CCFC moving ousite of Coventry forever? Im guessing it will be a resounding no.

blueflint · Apr 28, 2014

in coventry only for me

fernandopartridge · Apr 28, 2014

bigfatronssba said:
Says who?

You and sisu know full well that the council cant refuse a legitimate planning application.

So I repeat, why aren't the club exploring options to build a new stadium within the city?

List the viable sites.

Astute · Apr 28, 2014

fernandopartridge said:
List the viable sites.

If it was anything to do with CCC we would know. So they say outside CCC area as they don't trust them

All this when hardly anyone believes that they will build one. They certainly have us arguing with each other don't they?

Nick · Apr 28, 2014

Does anybody think that if there was a site then the CCC would actually give any permission anyway?

fernandopartridge · Apr 28, 2014

Astute said:
If it was anything to do with CCC we would know. So they say outside CCC area as they don't trust them

All this when hardly anyone believes that they will build one. They certainly have us arguing with each other don't they?

They had a very limited number of options back in the late 90s, the two shortlisted options from then are now gone. I think they'd honestly struggle to find somewhere suitable.

That said, it's a pointless argument as the new ground will not happen.

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