So if it wasn't movement or pace that caused the defence problems what was it?
Well for a start as robins stated he played a flat back 4 - so who in that formation would have Panzo replaced? Doyle I assume. That’s interesting in itself
What does that have to do with my question?
I never mentioned Robins, Panzo or back four.
so formation doesn’t count in the discussion? Oh ok so where would Panzo have been playing then?
I literally never mentioned Panzo or said he should have played so I have no idea what you're on about.
well the problem really was Cuffey - someone who laughingly praised - was pathetically out his depth and left us hopelessly exposed - he was utter shite - we were exposed time and time again - @Deleted member 9744 thinks the inept Panzo would have helped
Well actually 3 of the 4 goals came down our left. Stewarded by your beloved Allen and Bidwell.
My beloved, Jesus Christ
Well guess you have a theory not many others have
No apology for the racist rubbish either
Panzo would have been far more use than Kane and Waghorn in my view. But what do any if us know? Maybe Waghorn is a still a great Championship player. It's all a matter if subjective opinions and I doubt any if us have played or managed the game at this level.well the problem really was Cuffey - someone who laughingly praised - was pathetically out his depth and left us hopelessly exposed - he was utter shite - we were exposed time and time again - @Deleted member 9744 thinks the inept Panzo would have helped
Hats off for trying.So guys, injuries…
I suspect there are quite a lot of differences in our political views btw. Not being a Tory covers quite a lot of political territory.To be fair you and PVA are a meeting of minds both sportingly and politically
Jim Kerr named a band after the pair of you
Any merit was financial. I assumed when we let one of two fit forwards leave the club that we had someone ready to replace him. It turns out we're hoping that Godden and Walker can stay fit and do the business.Waghorn has a career that has championship standard branded on it. Panzo has terrible ball watching qualities - not seeing anything there to be honest
I’m certainly not yet seeing any merit in dumping Kane at all
U21 game tomorrow so surely some minutes for them?
My beloved, Jesus Christ
Well guess you have a theory not many others have
No apology for the racist rubbish either
Yeah this is the injuries post...
No one wanted him at our level says a lotWaghorn has a career that has championship standard branded on it. Panzo has terrible ball watching qualities - not seeing anything there to be honest
I’m certainly not yet seeing any merit in dumping Kane at all
Personally I’d get Godden and Fadz back asap, I think Vik needs a partner without O’Hare and Palmer needs to play deeper. I think Godden or even Walker would make more of the sorts of runs Palmer would thrive off.
Fadz is absolutely key so really hope he can go straight back game after next, but a relapse would fuck our season basically.
/exasperated supply teacher
Ah that might have been the reason we couldn’t get going for the first twenty minutes on Saturday. Clearly MR needs to start thawing them out earlier. Bit like the Christmas Turkey.On another note I noticed Robins said Hamer is in the “cryo chamber” which explains how we’ve kept Fadz going so far, clearly we freeze him over the summer.
On paper it all makes sense but Palmer in a 3 man midfield behind 2 strikers is problematic for me. He just doesn’t get back so Hamer has to do so much more defensive work, which I feel blunts his own game. Allen is like a bluebottle trapped in a greenhouse but it generally allows Hamer a bit more freedom. I think it would need us to go to a back 3 again and the wingbacks to really play in a midfield 4 and not a back 5 to work. And then there’s no room for Robins favourite Allen.Yeah it's not going to be the right formation every game but Palmer could definitely benefit from having two strikers in front of him.
On paper it all makes sense but Palmer in a 3 man midfield behind 2 strikers is problematic for me. He just doesn’t get back so Hamer has to do so much more defensive work, which I feel blunts his own game. Allen is like a bluebottle trapped in a greenhouse but it generally allows Hamer a bit more freedom. I think it would need us to go to a back 3 again and the wingbacks to really play in a midfield 4 and not a back 5 to work. And then there’s no room for Robins favourite Allen.
On paper it all makes sense but Palmer in a 3 man midfield behind 2 strikers is problematic for me. He just doesn’t get back so Hamer has to do so much more defensive work, which I feel blunts his own game. Allen is like a bluebottle trapped in a greenhouse but it generally allows Hamer a bit more freedom. I think it would need us to go to a back 3 again and the wingbacks to really play in a midfield 4 and not a back 5 to work. And then there’s no room for Robins favourite Allen.
Yeah I meant with the wingbacks. It wouldn't be a 3 man midfield, it'd be the two CMs and Palmer at AM.
The AM in that role doesn't need to get back. O'Hare doesn't get back when he plays there, he does all his pressing at the top end of the pitch.
On the contrary I'd argue O'Hare tracking back is pretty fundamental to our play to be honest. He doesn't just do it in the opposition half either. His work off the ball helps create opportunities for a counter attack as well as stopping the opposition from getting down the pitch.
Palmer most of the time is fairly placid in his play and puts in very little work off the ball. To be honest his work on the ball is dreadful at times as well.
He does run back, you see O'Hare winning the ball about 30 yards from our goal or at least pressuring a player so they run into Hamer or Sheaf. It can't be understated how much he's missed.His pressing is absolutely critical yes, but not so much the tracking back. Its his pressing high up the pitch that is so fundamental to how we play.
And I don't agree with Palmer doing little off the ball. He has more tackles per game than Allen this season (and O'Hare, but small sample size obviously). More blocks, interceptions and fouls too.
I am not for one second suggesting Palmer is anywhere near as good off the ball as O'Hare by the way.
He does run back, you see O'Hare winning the ball about 30 yards from our goal or at least pressuring a player so they run into Hamer or Sheaf. It can't be understated how much he's missed.
His pressing is absolutely critical yes, but not so much the tracking back. Its his pressing high up the pitch that is so fundamental to how we play.
And I don't agree with Palmer doing little off the ball. He has more tackles per game than Allen this season (and O'Hare, but small sample size obviously). More blocks, interceptions and fouls too.
The results with and without o hare this season prove the point - there’s nothing like an adequate replacement for him available
His tracking back is really important. You won't find many who disagree with that. He'll regularly drop back when the opposition has the ball to add an extra body in midfield. It's pretty vital to our counter play too. As he's shown on numerous occasions.
Granted, Palmer can tackle when he wants to. But I'd air to the side of caution using those stats to press your point. I also wouldn't exactly use Allen as a benchmark.
I just don't know what else he's particularly good at as he lacks all the attributes you'd expect from a CAM. He's slow, his movement is by large poor, his passing is dreadful, as is his decision making, he's wasteful and he clearly has a fitness issue.
Realistically you have to wonder why he's been brought in.
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