Brighton Sky Blue
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Oh dear
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Brighton Sky Blue
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I see someone deleted an unfortunate comment
Otis
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Prince Harry and he said down with the paddy bastards.
Brighton Sky Blue
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‘I don’t see what’s offensive about singing a Celtic song’
OffenhamSkyBlue
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It was an interesting choice of kit colour as they did so!!!
Sick Boy
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We have our fair share of Scottish football fans on here interested in Sunday League who'll get all outraged yet would happily join in singing about being up to their knees in people's blood.
HuckerbyDublinWhelan
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i mean devils advocate - where did this occur? Was it in the UK?
Ireland have a long history of hating the UK… one man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter and all that
Ireland have a long history of hating the UK… one man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter and all that
Sick Boy
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IMO, there's a strong difference between the original IRA fighting for independence and the Provos, Real IRA etc that came later - this distinction is quite clear in Ireland too.
The song being sung is not that uncommon in Ireland though.
HuckerbyDublinWhelan
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Wasn’t it a wolftones song? I mean it’s not like they’re marching through Birmingham singing it.
but yeah agree with what you say.
Can’t pretend the whole episode bothers me that much, but it’s interesting in itself that people of that generation would have no issue singing that song, or filming/uploading themselves doing it. Clearly means something very different to them than those who might have sung similar 30 years ago.
Brighton Sky Blue
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It was in Scotland
Sick Boy
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When in Rome...
Brighton Sky Blue
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I thought it originated from ‘The Helicopter Song’ and the Wolfe Tones put the lyric in Celtic Symphony after.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Don’t say that at Ibrox
Sick Boy
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They're just as bad and will probably be the most outraged.
Brighton Sky Blue
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They are, but I’m no fan of either and can’t say I’m keen on cheering terrorists regardless of sectarian affiliation
Then they would be bell ends.
I’d like to think if the English Womens team celebrated by singing that particular song there would be similar disappointment.
People make mistakes, let them admit it and grow
chiefdave
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Had a quick google and its interesting that you can find lots of comments from younger Irish people along the lines of whats the fuss about. Reading a couple of articles on it they don't see the song as in any way linked to the real IRA, its seen as a song celebrating Irish independence.
And of course as with a lot of things these days its apparently a thing on Irish TikTok which is no doubt why we're seeing more of it.
Brighton Sky Blue
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The song originated from the Troubles not the war of independence-pretty clearly which IRA it’s referring to
I think the point is that (despite the lyrics) they’re not clearly referring to any particular branch of the IRA at all.
LastGarrison
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Or in the 4Ps….
chiefdave
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But the point is that despite where it may have originated and you thinking its pretty clear its not clear to a new generation who have grown up with the troubles being something that happened before they were born.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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When it originated there wasn't really any distinction between them. The entire organisation was hell bent on using whatever means necessary, including terrorism and murder, to achieve their aims. The different factions started to appear after some wanted more peaceful, diplomatic solutions. But when it started it most definitely referred to an organisation that was happy with committing atrocities.
For the younger generation that never experienced the Troubles it doesn't have that connection to the awful things that happened. It's just a song about trying to get independence. We sing GSTK but don't care that for centuries it involved lyrics about crushing Scots.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Not really, it appeared a few times during the Jacobite rebellion. I mean ‘up the RA’ is surely unambiguous and if young Irish people don’t know their own recent history that raises more questions than answers.
Sick Boy
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They're taught it extensively as part of the Leaving Cert - how much Irish history is taught in English schools about the atrocities/war crimes that were carried out against the Irish? Probably none.
David O'Day
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Yes it is and for context that line in the song is not the narrator saying the words but reading them on a wall in Glasgow
Also while it is a silly choice of song the reaction of the british press demanding apologies is frankly rank
David O'Day
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i think it's more a case that they understand there are different IRAs
Quite a lot of the songs that mention the IRA are about the original War of Independence version of Michael Collins et al who the former queen even visited the memorial at Glasnevin.
HuckerbyDublinWhelan
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None of it is, I’m not one of these people who want to apologise for every thing the British empire has done. But it’s important to know what’s been done.
we may go somewhere to understanding the Ill feeling in Ireland and indeed the other parts of the world. Like most in a Coventry I have strong Irish ancestry. I’ve studied the troubles and the war for independence off my own back, and the lack of knowledge given by the education system is disturbing
So in your view, these girls singing this song was more a deliberate and outward celebration of Irish radicalism and IRA terrorist tactics with roots in the Jacobite rebellion? Rather than just girls singing rowdy Irish songs in a purely ignorant fashion?
David O'Day
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these are the lyrics of the song for context
It was far across the sea,
When the devil got a hold of me,
He wouldn't set me free,
So he kept me soul for ransom.
na na na na na na na na na
na na na na na na na na.
I'm a sailor man from Glasgow town,
I've roamed this world round and round,
he's the meanest thing that I have found,
In all mydays of wander.
na na na na na na na na na
na na na na na na na na.
But I could see his evil eyes,
Twas then he took me by surprise,
Take me to your paradise,
I want to see the Jungle.
na na na na na na na na na
na na na na na na na na.
Here we go again,
We're on the road again,
We're on the road again,
We're on our way to Paradise,
We love the jungilty,
That's where the lion sleeps, (yeeeaaaaahhhh)
For in those evil eyes,
They have no place in Paradise.
graffiti on the walls just as the sun was going down,
I seen graffitti on the walls( Of the CELTS, Of the CELTS),
Graffitti on the walls that says we're Magic, We're Magic,
Graffiti on the walls.......Graffiti on the walls........
And it said..............
Ooh ah up the Ra, say ooh ah up the Ra (x6).
We went to each jungle deep,
For the Paradise that we did seek,
Was noted for the weak,
There was some with the natives.
na na na na na na na na na
na na na na na na na na.
From the Amazon to Borneo,
From Africa to Tokyo,
To the darkest jungles of the world,
But nowhere could i lose him.
na na na na na na na na na
na na na na na na na na.
Around in circles every way,
He turned to me and he did say,
I think your leading me astary,
I want your soul me boyo!
na na na na na na na na na
na na na na na na na na.
Here we go again,
We're on the road again,
We're on the road again,
We're on our way to Paradise,
We love the jungilty,
That's where the lion sleeps, (yeeeaaaaahhhh)
For in those evil eyes,
They have no place in Paradise.
graffiti on the walls just as the sun was going down,
I seen graffitti on the walls( Of the CELTS, Of the CELTS),
Graffitti on the walls that says we're Magic, We're Magic,
Graffiti on the walls.......Graffiti on the walls........
And it said..............
Ooh ah up the Ra, say ooh ah up the Ra (x6).
Also the song is back in the Irish pop charts it seems
It was far across the sea,
When the devil got a hold of me,
He wouldn't set me free,
So he kept me soul for ransom.
na na na na na na na na na
na na na na na na na na.
I'm a sailor man from Glasgow town,
I've roamed this world round and round,
he's the meanest thing that I have found,
In all mydays of wander.
na na na na na na na na na
na na na na na na na na.
But I could see his evil eyes,
Twas then he took me by surprise,
Take me to your paradise,
I want to see the Jungle.
na na na na na na na na na
na na na na na na na na.
Here we go again,
We're on the road again,
We're on the road again,
We're on our way to Paradise,
We love the jungilty,
That's where the lion sleeps, (yeeeaaaaahhhh)
For in those evil eyes,
They have no place in Paradise.
graffiti on the walls just as the sun was going down,
I seen graffitti on the walls( Of the CELTS, Of the CELTS),
Graffitti on the walls that says we're Magic, We're Magic,
Graffiti on the walls.......Graffiti on the walls........
And it said..............
Ooh ah up the Ra, say ooh ah up the Ra (x6).
We went to each jungle deep,
For the Paradise that we did seek,
Was noted for the weak,
There was some with the natives.
na na na na na na na na na
na na na na na na na na.
From the Amazon to Borneo,
From Africa to Tokyo,
To the darkest jungles of the world,
But nowhere could i lose him.
na na na na na na na na na
na na na na na na na na.
Around in circles every way,
He turned to me and he did say,
I think your leading me astary,
I want your soul me boyo!
na na na na na na na na na
na na na na na na na na.
Here we go again,
We're on the road again,
We're on the road again,
We're on our way to Paradise,
We love the jungilty,
That's where the lion sleeps, (yeeeaaaaahhhh)
For in those evil eyes,
They have no place in Paradise.
graffiti on the walls just as the sun was going down,
I seen graffitti on the walls( Of the CELTS, Of the CELTS),
Graffitti on the walls that says we're Magic, We're Magic,
Graffiti on the walls.......Graffiti on the walls........
And it said..............
Ooh ah up the Ra, say ooh ah up the Ra (x6).
Also the song is back in the Irish pop charts it seems