I hate Michael Gove and his stupid rubbery face. Still, I'm not too keen on education full stop really and their "one-size-fits-all" approach to teaching children in primary schools.
Anyway, I feel BOTH sides have power to do something. If either of them will though is a different matter. We're just the poor sods stuck in the middle.
I know you have a different view, but surely you can agree that there are more CCFC fans in ACL/CCC/Higgs than in Sisu?
I genuinely think it's unhelpful to look at who has the most city fans in which organisation. Could be argued for example that Mutton in particular let his passion for the club cloud his judgement, it meant he kept uttering totally, totally unhelpful statements that just exacerbated the divide, and contributed to no end of trouble as a result. The best hope of resolution from that particular angle came when he was replaced, as nobody could be quite so bludgeoning, inept and confrontational for no purpose as him.
Then of course we have City fan Geoffrey Robinson MP, whose decisions were always in the best interests of the club...
Sometimes, calling out how you support a club can be an easy mask to hide behind in an attempt to dodge calls of ineptitude/self interest/lack of wherewithal etc. Of course in an ideal world you want somebody who cares about the club, but caring and competence can be two separate things. Give me a competent CEO who's no City fan, ahead of an incompetent one who is any day.
It's just as valid a point to say that CCC should sell as it is to say Sisu should rent.
For me though, the fact that repeatedly Sisu representatives have flat out refused to talk when asked says it all for me. Lucas has written to Seppala, the Trust have written to Seppala, Seppala has ignored both. The Trust have contacted ACL/CCC and had talks (obviously Lucas already talks to ACL/CCC).
Absolutely agree with you on "one size fits all", listen to this excellent Ken Robinson talk for example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDZFcDGpL4U
Unfortunately, as a teacher I'm being told to ignore that idea and all existing research so that we can have a system Gove has in his head where kids all do the same thing and learn by rote.
And with the meeting of CCFC and education policy I'm out of here before my blood pressure explodes
Sisu don't want to sell the club and the council don't want to sell the Ricoh. Why is this so hard for some people to understand? The council DO NOT have to sell the arena if they don't want to.
You could argue the Trust taking a partial position didn't do themselves any favours with the latter. Their current position is the one they should have adopted from the start, as sometimes it's better to let people show their hand then give them that mask to hide behind. In this case, we'll maybe never know if they'd have still ignored them without that initial gambit.
As it stands however, the clock is re-set, and if the trust continually make efforts to engage, and no engagement is done, then the results will eventually speak for themselves without the need to push as has been done.
Incidentally, much as this campaign group came across well on the radio yesterday, so did a certain Trust board memberThat Trust board member must know better than most however that sometimes to get what you want means playing the long game rather than bludgeoning in, so hopefully he's part of the new direction also... I'm sure for better or worse he's also aware that given his previous background, he's going to struggle to convince certain owners of his neutrality in such things and there's an added hurdle needed to jump through there, whatever his actual competencies.
It looks like it.So we stay at Sixfields then?
So we stay at Sixfields then?
It looks like it.
The Ricoh is history. Why can't you get that in your head? Why don't you start asking questions about when the building work for the new ground will start?
And its about time you got rid of the childish slogan. Acl are nothing to do with ccfc anymore.
Our seven-year-old goes to an "outstanding" school and I actually think it is the worse environment for him and many of his fellow pupils. The school is more intent on keeping that coveted title than actually getting the best out of ALL pupils not just the brightest ones. Parents evening this week so I'm ready!
I'll take a look at that video, thanks.
I cannot and will not speak for that certain board member .
Val, I wish I could get it into my head. However, I don't want to as I know I'll never see CIty again. I don't think they'll EVER be a new ground. It's SISU bullshit. However, I think ACLs talk of a new "sports franchise" is also bullshit. Both sides need each other. I think they know that. It's getting to a point of reconciliation that is proving to be an enormous stumbling block.
I didn't want to either but ive had no choice but to except it. There's no chance they'll sell to them. Im just preying acl leave the ground alone and sisu get bored and leave.Val, I wish I could get it into my head. However, I don't want to as I know I'll never see CIty again. I don't think they'll EVER be a new ground. It's SISU bullshit. However, I think ACLs talk of a new "sports franchise" is also bullshit. Both sides need each other. I think they know that. It's getting to a point of reconciliation that is proving to be an enormous stumbling block.
I'd have rather this was done under the auspices of the Trust though. There *are* ways to not take sides one against the other, yet still draw attention to this. As it stands, we have yet another campaign group, yet another sparsely attended demo in all likelihood, yet another signal fewer people care than should be given out.
Before anyone dismisses talk of another franchise at the Ricoh, take a look at the packed stadiums for the RFU Heineken cup matches this weekend including 60,000 at Wembley for Saracens.
I have said before, with a little investment there is no reason why Coventry RFC should not be competing at that level, but it won't happen while they are at the Butts. They have, at the moment, a unique opportunity to secure a stadium to compete at that level and if the club could find a backer there is a very realistic alternative to CCFC at the Ricoh.
Missed this post. I fully agree and made my feeling made known at the last open Trust meeting, as did several others.
If this was viable, why not move them there when City were there? Lots of football clubs share with a rubgy team? Honest question, I'd always assumed that Cov were just not big enough for the Ricoh.
As a teacher I've said before I'd never send my child to an Outstanding school for just that reason. In fact I'm currently struggling with picking my own daughter's Primary, though I wonder if that's because I see inside the system. I'd be interested to see how many GPs are with Bupa for example. I imagine that a certain amount of ignorance is bliss.
If Ricoh ever went to Sisu, I hope a watertight contract is drawn up stating that CCFC & Ricoh are one, as what's stopping Sisu stick CCFC in one company & Ricoh in another associated & then charging a whopping rent bringing it back to square one!
The day the council took the football club hostage was a sad day!
No ransom, sorry Ranson, could help!
Two words spring to mind. Incompetence and greed.
Works both ways! Council & Sisu are both bad as each other!
We'll see if the 4th November is one I can actually get to... and if I'm brave enough to speak rather than write
There are certain things I do know.
I can have my own views about the appropriateness of our owners;
I can have my own views about a stadium management company and how that fits into the club anyway.
I do know that at the end of the day, campaigning for the latter over the former doesn;t help the club long term either. You yourself said the club shouldn't return to the Ricoh at all costs and you're right. That also means making sure the club isn't held over a barrel to return at all costs either, as otherwise the decreasing circles start again.
I do know that at the moment they're not talking as far as I know. I also know that it's very unlikely that any campaign to get them to do so will have one side rush to the phone. I do know taking sides certainly won't have this effect, and will give excuses for whoever's to 'blame' and give them a get-out clause.
It's where a pressure group pressuring all sides just to talk, and reminding us the club's in the wrong place is no bad thing on a philosophical level. I do think it's unhelpful going solo however, it disperses attention. Saying 'hang on, we're the fans of the club' doesn't mean taking sides after all.
Definitely interchangeable.
That's what frustrates me, I felt that the Trust had finally started to get the balance right, *were/are* pressuring all sides to talk, and then this lot come along with a load of emotive language and factual inaccuracies with no regard for what has gone before.
I know it's a no-win, but I do think the trust went to the other extreme however, and this is maybe why a group would spring up out of impatience. The Trust's language has certainly improved, the statements have been better... but their silence over any kind of demonstration linked to the Sheffield Utd game was immensely frustrating (again, didn't have to take sides!) and they almost went overly apologetic about ribbons and the like!
As I say, it's a difficult balancing act, and the statements certainly are better than they were (someone's got control over who actually publishes them?) but they've also faded into the background a little over-much.
The point still stands though, why not try and engage the Trust before starting this campaign up?
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