Is the Loan System wrong?? (2 Viewers)

RoboCCFC90 · Apr 13, 2014

During today's episode of the Sunday Supplement, Steve Bates of The People insisted that the Loan System needs altering to ensure that the "big clubs" are prevented from farming out their youngsters.

The subject has come to light recently when Arsene Wenger questioned the decision to allow Romelu Lukaku to join Everton from Chelsea and much more recently this week when Chelsea and Atletico Madrid were paired against each other in the Champions League, which prompted questions regarding the eligibility of Atletico's on loan Chelsea Goalkeeper Thibaut Courtois in the upcoming fixtures.

Is it wrong that the "big clubs" are allowed to loan their players out to other Clubs? Is the loan system not apart of the game? How can it be changed?

Bagsy · Apr 13, 2014

I do think that Chelsea loaning Lukaku to Everton was a bit of a weird decision and a bit of a coup for Everton. If they don't win the title this decision has hurt Chelsea as much as anyone. But at the end of the day it's just Wenger moaning again due to his own ineptitude in signing a decent striker. He is to blame for Arsenals failings over the last 10 years time and time again. He is just trying to take the blame away from himself.

RoboCCFC90 · Apr 13, 2014

I agree with that Bagsy, but what I would say with regards to Chelsea's loan of Lukaku is that a Manager makes the decision of whether needs a certain type of Player and I am sure Mourinho would have considered greatly whether Lukaku would have benefitted him at Chelsea this season..

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Skyblueweeman · Apr 13, 2014

Are you suggesting that big clubs shouldn't loan players Robo? If so, what classifies as a big club?

WM

RoboCCFC90 · Apr 13, 2014

Skyblueweeman said:
Are you suggesting that big clubs shouldn't loan players Robo? If so, what classifies as a big club?

WM

Not at all Weeman I think it's stupid personally, as you say what perceives the tag of a "big club" are we talking about a Man Utd loanee to us? Or perhaps a youngsters of ours going to Tamworth?

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stupot07 · Apr 13, 2014

RoboCCFC90 said:
Is it wrong that the "big clubs" are allowed to loan their players out to other Clubs? Is the loan system not apart of the game? How can it be changed?

No, it's just Arsene Wenger having his customary moan......probably wasn't complaining when Kallastrom scored his penalty yesterday....

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RoboCCFC90 · Apr 13, 2014

stupot07 said:
No, it's just Arsene Wenger having his customary moan......probably wasn't complaining when Kallastrom scored his penalty yesterday....

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Yeah we all know Mr Wenger is partial to a moan, for example when Man Utd signed Mata from Chelsea and he whined like a bitch..

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chiefdave · Apr 13, 2014

UEFA should give all divisions in Europe a rating, and clubs should then only be able to loan players to a division with a lower rating.

Would also ban fees for loans, at the moment there's nothing to stop bigger clubs hoarding players and then charging other clubs for a loan. Take it back to what it was intended to be, a means for players who aren't getting games to be loaned out to a lower level to get match time for the benefit of both clubs.

stupot07 · Apr 13, 2014

RoboCCFC90 said:
Yeah we all know Mr Wenger is partial to a moan, for example when Man Utd signed Mata from Chelsea and he whined like a bitch..

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Yeah, that was ridiculous.

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stupot07 · Apr 13, 2014

chiefdave said:
UEFA should give all divisions in Europe a rating, and clubs should then only be able to loan players to a division with a lower rating.

Would also ban fees for loans, at the moment there's nothing to stop bigger clubs hoarding players and then charging other clubs for a loan. Take it back to what it was intended to be, a means for players who aren't getting games to be loaned out to a lower level to get match time for the benefit of both clubs.

Personally I don't see the problem, and it wouldn't stop big clubs stock piling players they'd just loan them down 1 division. In fact it may even drive up transfer fees and wages (if that's even possible)

I'd prefer them to ban being able to loan a player like Bellamy on £65k a week to cardiff and paying 80-90% of their wages for cardiff.

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SkyBlue_Bear83 · Apr 13, 2014

RoboCCFC90 said:
I agree with that Bagsy, but what I would say with regards to Chelsea's loan of Lukaku is that a Manager makes the decision of whether needs a certain type of Player and I am sure Mourinho would have considered greatly whether Lukaku would have benefitted him at Chelsea this season..

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I think Mourinho wanted to keep Lukaku this season, he was going to use him as a squad/rotation player with his other strikers but then Lukaku asked to be loaned out as he wanted to play first team every week.

RoboCCFC90 · Apr 13, 2014

CCFC said:
I think Mourinho wanted to keep Lukaku this season, he was going to use him as a squad/rotation player with his other strikers but then Lukaku asked to be loaned out as he wanted to play first team every week.

Something you can understand on Lukaku's part but Mourinho prefers to play the one striker and has a choice of three at the moment without Lukaku.

skybluebal · Apr 13, 2014

The loan system is just one of the many things wrong with football:
What happened to the reserve team league that used to keep the players match fit ?
The greed of the FA/FL to create a play-off system. You are supposed to be judged over the season, now you have a system whereby the 6th placed team could be 10+ points behind the 3rd place team but get promoted.
The January transfer window! Either have it open all the time or not at all.
The stone-age approach to use of technology to get the right decisions.

I'm rapidly getting fed up with the whole system.

Noggin · Apr 13, 2014

There is so much wrong with football that I doubt the loan system makes the top 50 things.

shmmeee · Apr 13, 2014

Scrap the loan system and the transfer window. Make a few young players make some uncomfortable decisions about their career.

James Smith · Apr 13, 2014

There was a situation in rugby I think a few years ago where there had been one team at the top of the league (by miles) for most of the the season. Then the equivalent of the FA or FL said they were changing the rules and the winner of the league was going to be decided by playoff. I remember hearing the manager of one team describe it on the radio as a really stupid decision probably done to keep the sponsors happy.
Don't know if they stuck with it or not but I did agree that it was a dumb thing to do.

Sky Blue Kid · Apr 13, 2014

Promotion and relegation 25-30 years ago in Ice Hockey was terrible. The bottom team in the higher league had to play the top team in the league below home and away. Can you imagine winning your league but losing 2 games against the higher league team and not getting promotion?

covmark · Apr 13, 2014

Sky Blue Kid said:
Promotion and relegation 25-30 years ago in Ice Hockey was terrible. The bottom team in the higher league had to play the top team in the league below home and away. Can you imagine winning your league but losing 2 games against the higher league team and not getting promotion?

Didn't they used to do something similar in Scottish football, I could be mistaken.
I think the 2nd bottom team played the 2nd top team from the lower division

Grendel · Apr 13, 2014

covmark said:
Didn't they used to do something similar in Scottish football, I could be mistaken.
I think the 2nd bottom team played the 2nd top team from the lower division

That was the original concept in the play offs in this country as well.

SlowerThanPlatt · Apr 13, 2014

It helps youngsters develop and honestly it makes the league more interesting, even if there are flaws to the system. There seem to be more 'targeted' loans these days, in that sides select a team that won't hurt them (Everton-Chelsea) and send a player they know will be useful to them, like Lukaku. That sort of thing is just unavoidable basically and it opens the door to other questions such as stockpiling players with a knowledge that you can just flog them out season after season and hurt your rivals. As long as that logical extreme isn't reached, I don't see the problem.

Sky Blue Kid · Apr 13, 2014

@ covmark....You're right about Scottish playoffs but that didn't happen till well after I finished playing up there. I think it was around 1994/5 though don't quote me on that.

Terry Gibson's perm · Apr 13, 2014

No loans to teams in the same league or for players over 21.

letsallsingtogether · Apr 13, 2014

No loans full stop If they want to stockpile players and pay for them while there not playing then more fool them.

No other business would survive with a whole work force extra just in case.

Only benefits the top few who can afford it but players wouldn't go there if they knew they would't play hopefully making the more unfashionable clubs a bit stronger by having better full time players.

Limit the amount of players you are allowed so that we are all on a level playing field. 20 first team players with injured players places filled with reserve player but once injury is over then the reserve player returns.
If you buy in January transfer you must first sell a first team player.

Just a thought to try and even out the leagues and make it more exciting...

georgehudson · Apr 13, 2014

is it right & proper that the clubs with excessive money can have so many players ?

Hobo · Apr 13, 2014

If you loan a player it should be permanent for the agreed period. No recalls. None of this they can't play against us or in cup ties...players shouldn't be loaned within the same division or league. They should have to go one higher or one lower.

stupot07 · Apr 14, 2014

When you consider everything that is wrong with modern football I can't believe everyone's getting het up about the loan system

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shmmeee · Apr 14, 2014

stupot07 said:
When you consider everything that is wrong with modern football I can't believe everyone's getting het up about the loan system

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How is that even an argument?

You can think more than one thing needs changing. Personally I think hoarding young players goes to the heart of what's wrong with football. Too much money and power at the top.

wingy · Apr 14, 2014

shmmeee said:
How is that even an argument?

You can think more than one thing needs changing. Personally I think hoarding young players goes to the heart of what's wrong with football. Too much money and power at the top.

Spurs are prolific at It.

stupot07 · Apr 14, 2014

shmmeee said:
How is that even an argument?

You can think more than one thing needs changing. Personally I think hoarding young players goes to the heart of what's wrong with football. Too much money and power at the top.

It wasn't an argument, I'd already said I don't have a problem with it, especially In relation to the OP Lukaka, Barry, etc then

I agree too much money and power at the top though, rather than changing the loan system they should stop any transfers of under 21's, especially from abroad.

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Covstu · Apr 14, 2014

I disagree that loans should be stopped, it is keeping lower league clubs afloat as we cannot afford transfer fees or have to buy in further journeyman. There should be larger restrictions around the governance of loan signings particularly around call backs etc.

I have no issue with players being loaned to same league teams (silly if they do but thats their decision). Clubs like Everton do not have the financial clout to buy a Lukaku or Barry so this was the only way they could do this without footing unacceptable costs and it worked. Seemed to remember Derby vertually getting promoted from the goals that Lupoli scored when Arsenal loaned him out.

From a cov perspective, Sheffers was a different player when he come back from Luton so it worked for us.

Terry Gibson's perm · Apr 14, 2014

The problem with loan players in the same league is that they can't play against the parent club, I know it's unlikely but Lukaku could score the winner in every game against the other top teams and then not play against Chelsea so it is potentially changing the league, if teams like Everton can't afford to buy them they shouldn't have them as they seem to be the most prolific of users of the loan system.
Plus it seems unfair as we get rubbish ones like Reece Brown,Eccleston and the non scoring striker from Villa while other teams seem to be able to loan good ones!

ccfcway · Apr 14, 2014

went to an under 16's game yesterday. A yellow card was an automatic 10 minute sin bin.

The kids didnt say a word to the ref and respected every decision.

I'd like to see that rolled out.

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