I’ve played that and I think South Park’s one of the funniest shows on TV. But one’s private between friends and the other is basically the only one given ‘permission’ to cross the line.
So it's ok to laugh and joke in private about the same sort of shock factor?
We can’t really pick and choose who gets permission though. I think that’s a bit of the problem currently. If people support/like someone they allow them to say whatever they want, if they don’t, they’re offended and it shouldn’t be allowed. We have freedom of speech which is a good thing but ultimately it will mean we hear stuff we don’t like… but would rather that than someone censoring on my behalf*
*inciting hatred and violence aside as mentioned above
We can’t really pick and choose who gets permission though. I think that’s a bit of the problem currently. If people support/like someone they allow them to say whatever they want, if they don’t, they’re offended and it shouldn’t be allowed. We have freedom of speech which is a good thing but ultimately it will mean we hear stuff we don’t like… but would rather that than someone censoring on my behalf*
*inciting hatred and violence aside as mentioned above
Weird isn't it. The show has been available to stream for some time and yet now all of a sudden it all blows up and everyone is offended.
Why weren't they offended when it was first released?
Jerry Springer, the opera was much the same. There’s a short documentary about it on YouTube. They start interviewing protesters outside the theatre and not one of them had actually seen it, read the dialogue or really knew what it was about. Someone somewhere deemed it offensive to Christianity and loads of people jumped on the bandwagon.Reminds me of Life of Brian a bit, because lots of people were deeply offended about that and they hadn't even seen it
I assume you stopped playing straight away and left when the Holocaust / Jew cards came out and wrote a letter of complaint?Well I don’t make Holocaust jokes in private either
Jerry Springer, the opera was much the same. There’s a short documentary about it on YouTube. They start interviewing protesters outside the theatre and not one of them had actually seen it, read the dialogue or really knew what it was about. Someone somewhere deemed it offensive to Christianity and loads of people jumped on the bandwagon.
I’ve heard Henning Wehn, as part of his standup, talking about never making jokes about the Holocaust because he never comments on fictitious stories.Playing devil's advocate here because as I say, I don't care what he said, its OK to joke about the holocaust but illegal to deny it happened, isn't that contradictory?
I’ve heard Henning Wehn, as part of his standup, talking about never making jokes about the Holocaust because he never comments on fictitious stories.
So it's ok to laugh and joke in private about the same sort of shock factor?
Playing devil's advocate here because as I say, I don't care what he said, its OK to joke about the holocaust but illegal to deny it happened, isn't that contradictory?
Well there’s your other issue, who decides what counts as inciting violence?
Possibly. I personally question why thats illegal…depends on context of conversation. I think anyone denying it happened needs their head checked but we live in a strange world.
I assume you stopped playing straight away and left when the Holocaust / Jew cards came out and wrote a letter of complaint?
Fucking hell!
Think the context in this case is people desperately trying to over prove they are a good person and are with whatever bandwagon cause is out that day.Possibly, yes?
Not that there are many blanket rules to these things, it’s always about the context.
Because he's a comedian..... Do you really think that their wives left them and a lot of other stuff that gets joked about?He also described Celtic as being essentially the footballing wing of the IRA. But that’s for a different thread.
Now, the thing is, I really like Henning Wehn and I’m trying to think what the difference is with Jimmy Carr…is it just that I don’t find Carr particularly funny?
I mean, Wehn is clearly in character but at the same time I don’t believe Carr is happy that Gypsies were killed in the Holocaust…
If you advocate for free speech then holocaust denial shouldn't be illegal though like covid denial you have to be an absolute wrong un ro prescribe to that belief.
Hmmm, free speach isn't carte blanche to say what you want though, with free speach comes responsibility.If you advocate for free speech then holocaust denial shouldn't be illegal though like covid denial you have to be an absolute wrong un ro prescribe to that belief.
There's a few in the box about Jews or Holocaust.Don’t remember those appearing in the online version
quality.I’ve heard Henning Wehn, as part of his standup, talking about never making jokes about the Holocaust because he never comments on fictitious stories.
Hmmm, free speach isn't carte blanche to say what you want though, with free speach comes responsibility.
I think that the issue with free speech a lot of people think that means freedom of consequence which of course it doesn’t. That consequence could be someone is offended or you fall on the wrong side of the law. Unless you have parliamentary privilege of course.Hmmm, free speach isn't carte blanche to say what you want though, with free speach comes responsibility.
Think the context in this case is people desperately trying to over prove they are a good person and are with whatever bandwagon cause is out that day.
I love dark humour, that's because I can tell the difference between Jokes and somebody actually wanting to go out killing gypsies. Even if it's jokes about things personal and upsetting to me, they are jokes.
Sorry, I don’t know what your point is.Because he's a comedian..... Do you really think that their wives left them and a lot of other stuff that gets joked about?
Frankie Boyle big opportunity in comedy was writing with/for Jimmy Carr. True story.But then you have to get consensus on what's acceptable, and the danger is nothing will be.
I'll be honest, I think what Carr said was in bad taste,but I'm a big fan of the likes of South Park and Frankie Boyle who've had similar reactions in the past so it would be hypocritical for me to get on my high horse.
Think the context in this case is people desperately trying to over prove they are a good person and are with whatever bandwagon cause is out that day.
I love dark humour, that's because I can tell the difference between Jokes and somebody actually wanting to go out killing gypsies. Even if it's jokes about things personal and upsetting to me, they are jokes.
check out Jim Jefferies especially earlier shows
Bullshit. I went to uni with his brother. The guy is a grade A wanker.Also been said that he is quite a nice guy in real life. It's just a stage persona isn't it?
Sure, but your irritation with the do-gooders doesn’t mean that every joke is always justifiable. You wouldn’t tell a twisted joke that you enjoy to someone you know would be hurt by it, even if you’d happily share a laugh about it with a different group of friends - that’s just common decency. I assume you’d hold your hands up if you got it wrong and were called out on it. So why shouldn’t a $200 billion media company face the same standard?
He also described Celtic as being essentially the footballing wing of the IRA. But that’s for a different thread.
Now, the thing is, I really like Henning Wehn and I’m trying to think what the difference is with Jimmy Carr…is it just that I don’t find Carr particularly funny?
I mean, Wehn is clearly in character but at the same time I don’t believe Carr is happy that Gypsies were killed in the Holocaust…
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