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theferret · Sep 15, 2013

Spionkop said:
We could see the whole of the main stand, it looked desperately empty. We counted them coming out from behind the goal. We saw what we saw. It looked desolate. What a desperate football environment.
But Covstu, you're a Sisu apologist. I wouldn't expect anything else from you. One of those prolonging our club's stay in another town.

Of course it is desperate, it is a travesty, nobody is denying that, but you don't need to make things up to prove the point. You say the Main Stand looked 'half empty' - well that stand holds 4000 - so if it was 'half empty' then there would have been 2000 in there alone. The crowd was what it was - they do publish the attendance figure you know so you don't have to count people.

Personally, there didn't look anything like 90 people on the hill today, and the acl bus looked pretty empty to me, but then I didn't count and I have the utmost repsect for those people because I know it is killing them to have to watch games from a grass bank, so I don't see the point making things up and having unnecessary digs.

skybluejelly · Sep 15, 2013

Spionkop said:
We could see the whole of the main stand, it looked desperately empty. We counted them coming out from behind the goal. We saw what we saw. It looked desolate. What a desperate football environment.
But Covstu, you're a Sisu apologist. I wouldn't expect anything else from you. One of those prolonging our club's stay in another town.

That's probably because you can walk straight on and come out of the gate by the main stand you do not need to go out the way you come in only realised this today when my mate beat me out despite going to the loo..

Spionkop · Sep 15, 2013

Ferret, I can only comment on what I see. Rows and rows of empty seats in the main stand. Blocks completely empty. And of course, the freebie issue.
No making up. I think the making up is with the propagandist element who attend matches there, knowing full well they are playing a part in prolonging our team's stay there.
Digs? I haven't started yet. They deserve everything directed at them.
People on the hill? That little band. They care passionately about their club. Making a stand.
Northampton Sixfields is a desolate football experience. Quiet as the grave. And to think Coventry fans go in. Hang your heads in shame.

Spionkop · Sep 15, 2013

Skybluejelly, We know - we counted that lot. Same total. They bring shame on our club.

theferret · Sep 15, 2013

Spionkop said:
Ferret, I can only comment on what I see. Rows and rows of empty seats in the main stand. Blocks completely empty. And of course, the freebie issue.
No making up. I think the making up is with the propagandist element who attend matches there, knowing full well they are playing a part in prolonging our team's stay there.
Digs? I haven't started yet. They deserve everything directed at them.
People on the hill? That little band. They care passionately about their club. Making a stand.
Northampton Sixfields is a desolate football experience. Quiet as the grave. And to think Coventry fans go in. Hang your heads in shame.

No, my head is held high thank you very much. My presence or otherwise has no impact whatsoever on how long the club remains in Northampton - and I would argue that those of you that protest by not going are making a massive error and are pursuing a tactic that will take a lot longer to work than other forms of protest might, but just my opinion, and I won't ask you to hang your head in shame.

Back to the original point, you just keep stating the obvious over and over. The official attendance suggests the main stand was about 37% full, so what do your observations that it was 'barely half full' add to the discussion? You are telling us what we already know.

Spionkop · Sep 15, 2013

What other forms of protest? There is no protest inside Sixfields. Merely people suckered in by a ruthless hedge fund. People, fans who meekly go along with being dumped on. Complicit in this sham. Simply put, if no CCFC fans attended the fiasco there would be over in double quick time. You 1,000 people refuse to see this, purely so you can continue to have your football fix. While the club goes down the pan. You and those attending are playing your part in our downfall. Shame on you all.

Deleted member 5849 · Sep 15, 2013

Considering michael made a big thing that the hill protest is *not* about those going into the ground, I'd be very disappointed if those banging on about those going into the ground being somehow to blame... turned out to be those on the hill.

Would completely contradict the message put out about said protests, would make me doubt the reports that so far it's all been very respectful and supportive between both 'sides'.

theferret · Sep 15, 2013

Spionkop said:
What other forms of protest? There is no protest inside Sixfields. Merely people suckered in by a ruthless hedge fund. People, fans who meekly go along with being dumped on. Complicit in this sham. Simply put, if no CCFC fans attended the fiasco there would be over in double quick time. You 1,000 people refuse to see this, purely so you can continue to have your football fix. While the club goes down the pan. You and those attending are playing your part in our downfall. Shame on you all.

Well shame on you for doing nothing to stop it. There is no protest inside the ground because there is nobody there. Standing on the hill is achieving nothing. We cannot see you or hear you, you presence goes almost entirely unnoticed. What are you trying to achieve? You think standing there cheering on a bunch of academy players you are steadfastly refusing to finance is big and clever? Turning up on a bus sponsored by a stadium management company that has conspired again and again to damage the football club you pretend to support? I said I wouldn't ask you to hang your head in shame, but that is pretty shameful tbh.

Deleted member 5849 · Sep 15, 2013

theferret said:
Well shame on you for doing nothing to stop it. There is no protest inside the ground because there is nobody there. Standing on the hill is achieving nothing. We cannot see you or hear you, you presence goes almost entirely unnoticed. What are you trying to achieve? You think standing there cheering on a bunch of academy players you are steadfastly refusing to finance is big and clever? Turning up on a bus sponsored by a stadium management company that has conspired again and again to damage the football club you pretend to support? I said I wouldn't ask you to hang your head in shame, but that is pretty shameful tbh.

Out of interest (maybe not the thread and I may have the wrong person but) I vaguely recall you (and hill) saying after going, you probably wouldn;t go back after getting it out your system.

What made you change your mind and go today?

(obviously if you never said anything close to the first bit, it's an irrelevant question!)

terryhallsboots · Sep 15, 2013

Deleted member 5849 said:
Out of interest (maybe not the thread and I may have the wrong person but) I vaguely recall you (and hill) saying after going, you probably wouldn;t go back after getting it out your system.

What made you change your mind and go today?

(obviously if you never said anything close to the first bit, it's an irrelevant question!)

Do ACL really sponsor the coach to the hill?

theferret · Sep 15, 2013

terryhallsboots said:
Do ACL really sponsor the coach to the hill?

It has 'Ricoh Arena' written all over it, so there is a good chance.

Grappa · Sep 15, 2013

theferret said:
It has 'Ricoh Arena' written all over it, so there is a good chance.

That's pretty shocking.

Spionkop · Sep 15, 2013

Big and clever? What. That's a bit creative isn't it. No bus for me. We made our own way there. Talked to people from Gloucester. City fans who lived in Northampton, who will never watch City there.
You are supporting Sisu's diabolical madcap schemes. Taking a club out of our city and you still have faith in them, It beggars belief.
I understand that ACL had absolutely nothing to do with the bus. So that statement of yours is totally wrong.
Yeah, I've been pretending to support City since 1959. I'll pretend to support them next Saturday at Vale.

theferret · Sep 15, 2013

Deleted member 5849 said:
Out of interest (maybe not the thread and I may have the wrong person but) I vaguely recall you (and hill) saying after going, you probably wouldn;t go back after getting it out your system.

What made you change your mind and go today?

(obviously if you never said anything close to the first bit, it's an irrelevant question!)

I did say that, but just changed my mind. The boycott is pointless and damaging, and will not speed up the return of the club to Coventry, which is what we all want. That is my opinion, but having arrived at it, there is nothing to stop me going I guess.

Spionkop · Sep 15, 2013

ACL have nothing to do with the bus. Now that is a fact. Sisu propagandist lies. From the usual suspects.

Covstu · Sep 15, 2013

theferret said:
Well shame on you for doing nothing to stop it. There is no protest inside the ground because there is nobody there. Standing on the hill is achieving nothing. We cannot see you or hear you, you presence goes almost entirely unnoticed. What are you trying to achieve? You think standing there cheering on a bunch of academy players you are steadfastly refusing to finance is big and clever? Turning up on a bus sponsored by a stadium management company that has conspired again and again to damage the football club you pretend to support? I said I wouldn't ask you to hang your head in shame, but that is pretty shameful tbh.

maybe they will have the 'moral highground' by staying out of the ground and moving round the stadium to watch the game for free. Watching the team in Northampton, cheering the team in Northampton owned by those evil owners....

shmmeee · Sep 15, 2013

Grappa said:
That's pretty shocking.

Lots of made up things are. There's a taxi outside my house with Subway written all over it. Are the sandwich chain going to pay my fare?

shmmeee · Sep 15, 2013

Covstu said:
maybe they will have the 'moral highground' by staying out of the ground and moving round the stadium to watch the game for free. Watching the team in Northampton, cheering the team in Northampton owned by those evil owners....

That's a nice straw man you've built yourself there.

Deleted member 5849 · Sep 15, 2013

theferret said:
I did say that, but just changed my mind. The boycott is pointless and damaging, and will not speed up the return of the club to Coventry, which is what we all want. That is my opinion, but having arrived at it, there is nothing to stop me going I guess.

Fair enough, it was a genuine question out of vicarious interest.

Unfortunately questions seem to have to become loaded nowadays

Grappa · Sep 15, 2013

shmmeee said:
Lots of made up things are. There's a taxi outside my house with Subway written all over it. Are the sandwich chain going to pay my fare?

So theferret is definitely lying then?

theferret · Sep 15, 2013

Spionkop said:
Big and clever? What. That's a bit creative isn't it. No bus for me. We made our own way there. Talked to people from Gloucester. City fans who lived in Northampton, who will never watch City there.
You are supporting Sisu's diabolical madcap schemes. Taking a club out of our city and you still have faith in the, It beggars belief.
I understand that ACL had absolutely nothing to do with the bus. So that statement of yours is totally wrong.
Yeah, I've been pretending to support City since 1959. I'll pretend to support them next Saturday at Vale.

A bus with Ricoh Arena written in large red letters down both sides turns up will hill protesters has nothing to do with ACL? If that is the case then it is one massive coincidence. The only bus in Coventry that they sponsor happens to be the only bus available to ferry these people? Mmmm.

Of course, my previous response was deliberately harsh, I was responding in kind to your volley of insults. I am sure you got that, because I understand you think you are doing the right thing, just as I think I am too.

Leamington Pete · Sep 15, 2013

theferret said:
I did say that, but just changed my mind. The boycott is pointless and damaging, and will not speed up the return of the club to Coventry, which is what we all want. That is my opinion, but having arrived at it, there is nothing to stop me going I guess.

The boycott is not pointless and could indeed speed the return of the club to the city. If Sixfields was sold out every week it would play into SISU's hands and give them no urgency to return to Coventry.

chiefdave · Sep 15, 2013

isn't it the bus that runs to the Ricoh normally which obviously now isn't in use so is being hired by the chaps on the hill to get them there?

pusbccfc · Sep 15, 2013

OH DEAR

The bus says
'RETURN TRIPS TO THE RICOH ARENA'

On each side, hardly acl funding.

MichaelCCFC · Sep 15, 2013

theferret said:
A bus with Ricoh Arena written in large red letters down both sides turns up will hill protesters has nothing to do with ACL? If that is the case then it is one massive coincidence. The only bus in Coventry that they sponsor happens to be the only bus available to ferry these people? Mmmm.

I enjoy reading posts on here that make interesting arguments or points that make me think, but when people just make things up it's getting a bit sad. Last week it was I'm making money form the bus, this week the bus is being sponsored by acl. If people are going to make stuff up they could at least make it a bit more interesting/entertaining!

ccfcway · Sep 15, 2013

serious question, does the official CCFC bus actually pick people up from town, or the Ricoh ?

theferret · Sep 15, 2013

chiefdave said:
isn't it the bus that runs to the Ricoh normally which obviously now isn't in use so is being hired by the chaps on the hill to get them there?

Perhaps, but it seems odd. Why would you hire a double decker bus for a 70 mile round trip? Surely it would be more cost effective to hire a coach? Unless of course it is being subsidised or offered at cost, in which it does have something to do with ACL. It could not have financed itself today with the number of people on it.

I suppose it doesn't really matter, but it isn't a great PR move. Comment from a guy behind me today "I see the ACL sunshine bus is here again". It just reinforces this sense of divide amongst the fans, but hey, in the scheme of things not all that important I guess.

theferret · Sep 15, 2013

MichaelCCFC said:
theferret said:

A bus with Ricoh Arena written in large red letters down both sides turns up will hill protesters has nothing to do with ACL? If that is the case then it is one massive coincidence. The only bus in Coventry that they sponsor happens to be the only bus available to ferry these people? Mmmm.

I enjoy reading posts on here that make interesting arguments or points that make me think, but when people just make things up it's getting a bit sad. Last week it was I'm making money form the bus, this week the bus is being sponsored by acl. If people are going to make stuff up they could at least make it a bit more interesting/entertaining!

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And I am making what up? You are denying that the bus is sponsored by the Ricoh Arena? Really? And that is as much as I am stating as fact, I am implying the rest. If you can explain the reason why you would hire a double-decker city bus for a 70 mile round trip up and down the M1 then I will take it all back. I guess its because its free or cheap - and I am implying there is a reason for that. So, nope, nothing has been made up. I'm not sure what posts you are reading.

valiant15 · Sep 15, 2013

Why don't any of you lot that go in the ground protest? Why no anti sisu songs, flags or banners? Im amazed that nobody has put one on fisher down there. You all say its wrong and we should be in Coventry but you all sit there like shop dummy's doing fuck all. What's wrong with you lot? Fisher must be laughing his bollocks off at you lot.

Deleted member 5849 · Sep 15, 2013

valiant15 said:
Why no anti sisu songs, flags or banners?

There's a thread here where edgy asked about a banner THIS IS NOT OUR HOME.

Trust looking into it, I believe.

Have you tried talking to such people, rather than insulting them? Might actually help get some protest going then.

theferret · Sep 15, 2013

valiant15 said:
Why don't any of you lot that go in the ground protest? Why no anti sisu songs, flags or banners? Im amazed that nobody has put one on fisher down there. You all say its wrong and we should be in Coventry but you all sit there like shop dummy's doing fuck all. What's wrong with you lot? Fisher must be laughing his bollocks off at you lot.

I do agree with that. We should do more. It's difficult though, there's a lot of old fans and a lot of kids there. The sort of people who might be a bit more vocal and show some dissent are not there.

Ripbuster · Sep 15, 2013

I'd love to see the hill tidied up/decorated,think the Hilliers should cut the grass and paint a message on it or turn it into a sky blue stand. It would look good on camera..

MichaelCCFC · Sep 15, 2013

theferret said:
MichaelCCFC said:

And I am making what up? You are denying that the bus is sponsored by the Ricoh Arena? Really? And that is as much as I am stating as fact, I am implying the rest. If you can explain the reason why you would hire a double-decker city bus for a 70 mile round trip up and down the M1 then I will take it all back. I guess its because its free or cheap - and I am implying there is a reason for that. So, nope, nothing has been made up. I'm not sure what posts you are reading.

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Sincere apologies. The truth is pretty dull so the idea the bus is sponsored by acl and I'm making money out of it is actually much more entertaining. Anyone claiming this is the bus owned by coachleasing.com which they used to use from the Convoy then Craftsman to the Ricoh and the words on the side of the bus relate to that, and the owner is a City fan, and the bus itself delivers a message that accords with kcic - well that's just clearly nonsense. Ann Lucas is definitely the driver and John Mutton the conductor!

torchomatic · Sep 15, 2013

Similar to claims that standing on the hill is protesting. That is clearly nonsense too, isn't it Michael?

MichaelCCFC said:
Sincere apologies. The truth is pretty dull so the idea the bus is sponsored by acl and I'm making money out of it is actually much more entertaining. Anyone claiming this is the bus owned by coachleasing.com which they used to use from the Convoy then Craftsman to the Ricoh and the words on the side of the bus relate to that, and the owner is a City fan, and the bus itself delivers a message that accords with kcic - well that's just clearly nonsense. Ann Lucas is definitely the driver and John Mutton the conductor!

valiant15 · Sep 15, 2013

theferret said:
I do agree with that. We should do more. It's difficult though, there's a lot of old fans and a lot of kids there. The sort of people who might be a bit more vocal and show some dissent are not there.

I agree. I imagine there to be quite a few there who would be upset at a bit of protesting. They might get there flask knocked over or drop some sweets if there was a commotion going on around them.

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