cloughie
Well-Known Member
So lets hate Hoffman because he was on the board ( and resigned over sisu decisions) but not on the board or involved when sisu took over
I really thought it was a wind-up about being mentioned by Hoffman, wonders never cease.
Love to know what unfounded allegations have been made, the only unfounded allegations about him I've seen on here refer to him as some sort of hugely successful International banker, which I have used evidence to refute.
I used google myself, he obviously has Internet access if able to see posts on here, so wonder why he knew absolutely nothing about Sisu before joining the board for three years, evidence was out there.
However, bring the hugely successful International man of high finance that he is, surely he would access to much deeper information than the average Joe off the street.
If he can specify these alleged "unfounded allegations", and then refute them if they exist then fair enough, otherwise it smacks of a paper tiger sensitive to the slightest bit of criticism, which wouldn't bode well for anybody in the future if he were to be involved.
I'm open to debate. What I wasn't up for was about ten users with five usernames each turning each thread into a farcical slanging match. Then there was Killerumble with his daily posts about the recession etc.
You only have to read that thread to see the narrow minded cynicism that exists. At least on here there's a balance.
So lets hate Hoffman because he was on the board ( and resigned over sisu decisions) but not on the board or involved when sisu took over
Why was he on the board though(for 3 years) if he knew absolutely nothing about them and their practices?
Easy enough for me and you to find out about how they operate, let alone somebody allegedly working in the higher echelons of high finance.
As yet Hoffman has done nothing, start praising him when he has achieved something for the club other than bluster, not before.
I think it's been very hard over the years to find out information about them, and that their intentions have only become clear as we've pieced together their shitty behaviour. Pre and post Ranson, the way things were done were polar opposites. We don't even know what Sepalla looks like - unbelievable really.
Why was he on the board though(for 3 years) if he knew absolutely nothing about them and their practices?
Easy enough for me and you to find out about how they operate, let alone somebody allegedly working in the higher echelons of high finance.
As yet Hoffman has done nothing, start praising him when he has achieved something for the club other than bluster, not before.
They are behaving exactly as they did with companies before they took over the club, nothing has changed in their behaviour, just that people don't think it's a good thing anymore.
The amount of people I've seen on here in the last six months putting up the quote from the high court judge about Seppala, and asking why didn't Sourhampton want to be taken over by them and rather go into admin instead?
All put out 5 years ago by myself and others, but drowned out by the consensus of "Sisu saved us".
The consensus has now changed, but the drowning out of deny dissenting voices continues, but now it's "the Hoffman and Elliott will save us".
Believe it if you like and good for you, but don't dismiss any contrary opinion, as that is exactly what happened before.
People can make rational judgements on what has happened before affecting future events, nothing rational about blind faith whatever you choose to believe in.
The very fact he has mentioned 3 of us as being detractors is mind blowing in its absurdity.
you are loving the notoriety wow got a mention
Can't say word for word but said something like if the share is with ccfc Holdings we will have to sit down with a wet towel around our heads andhave a re-think. Personally i think they know where the Golden Share is just waiting confirmation.Not being funny Dongle, but haven't they waited for admin? Did he also not say that if the Golden Share is in the part that isn't in admin then it wouldn't go ahead?
They are behaving exactly as they did with companies before they took over the club, nothing has changed in their behaviour, just that people don't think it's a good thing anymore.
The amount of people I've seen on here in the last six months putting up the quote from the high court judge about Seppala, and asking why didn't Sourhampton want to be taken over by them and rather go into admin instead?
All put out 5 years ago by myself and others, but drowned out by the consensus of "Sisu saved us".
The consensus has now changed, but the drowning out of deny dissenting voices continues, but now it's "the Hoffman and Elliott will save us".
Believe it if you like and good for you, but don't dismiss any contrary opinion, as that is exactly what happened before.
People can make rational judgements on what has happened before affecting future events, nothing rational about blind faith whatever you choose to believe in.
The very fact he has mentioned 3 of us as being detractors is mind blowing in its absurdity.
Why was he on the board though(for 3 years) if he knew absolutely nothing about them and their practices?
Easy enough for me and you to find out about how they operate, let alone somebody allegedly working in the higher echelons of high finance.
As yet Hoffman has done nothing, start praising him when he has achieved something for the club other than bluster, not before.
A balance? Really?
Admittedly it could get tiresome with some of the crap on there at times, too many threads would degenerate into just a couple having a slanging match, but when it's good the level of debate is much better than it often is on here.
Just too infrequently nowadays.
Excellent post.I guess
He probably thinks
He is a banking expert highly respected.
The Government turn to him to resolve the Northern Rock crisis.
He is a Cov fan. The club are on the verge of destruction.
He makes a mistake and supports SISU in his eyes to invest in young talent and achieve promotion.
SISU went a different route he resigns.
He then in his own time finds a new investor
SISU screw that up.
He finds in his own time for no money another investor
This one is only interested if we are in admin.
In between these times you Grendel and Torch take the mick out of his failed attempt and anyone who supports it.
From his perspective if Haskell takes over we achieve success.
What will you be doing?
I would hazard a guess jumping up and down celebrating at the Ricoh.
Why would you give him flack for trying. It is a very strange thing to do?
Exactly, people keep saying hiding on forums, linell said the same about cowards behind usernames on the internet.
Like you say even if a username was dave smith would it make a difference to them?
If joe or gary are reading then feel free to donate prizes for the prediction league fellas
I guess
He probably thinks
He is a banking expert highly respected.
The Government turn to him to resolve the Northern Rock crisis.
He is a Cov fan. The club are on the verge of destruction.
He makes a mistake and supports SISU in his eyes to invest in young talent and achieve promotion.
SISU went a different route he resigns.
He then in his own time finds a new investor
SISU screw that up.
He finds in his own time for no money another investor
This one is only interested if we are in admin.
In between these times you Grendel and Torch take the mick out of his failed attempt and anyone who supports it.
From his perspective if Haskell takes over we achieve success.
What will you be doing?
I would hazard a guess jumping up and down celebrating at the Ricoh.
Why would you give him flack for trying. It is a very strange thing to do?
Please don't make me dig up your posts from the past Ginetta!
Dig them up mate. We all supported SISU when they were doing the right thing for the club. You should have to! It doesn't mean I can't deplore their actions now.
What you'll find with these guys is they never get behind anyone for fear of being wrong.
What like Andy Thorn you mean?
What you'll find with these guys is they never get behind anyone for fear of being wrong. They won't get excited about a particular manager or players - just so that they have the right to say "I never rated them" and win arguments on a forum.
If (big if) Preston Haskell was to take us over, I will be doing cartwheels - because if you can't be enthusiastic about something like that then what's the point.
This club is on its f***ing knees, and SISU are going to almost kill it completely before this is resolved. We have two men in Hoffman and Elliot trying to save us and unite the club with the stadium which is crucial to our long term future. We then have a handful of people ridiculing them. What are these smart arses doing to save our club themselves? F*ck all. In fact they seem to be actively working against it.
Take a look in the mirror and think about what you actually want, what SISU are doing to us, and who are the only people trying to fix it. It's a lot more important than being guarded and cyclical on a forum just so you can say "I told you so" if things go tits up.
What the last person was definitely buying the club only didn't because he was named by deliu.
Really? Where is your source?
If you like, but choose anyone really. If I was to ask you right now if you support Pressley or any of the players you wouldn't say yes to any of them. From my long post making you look like an unreasonable arse you've (typically) tried to change topic.
Why are you so against the only men trying to save the club you supposedly love? Because you want the club to be destroyed? Surely not.
No one wants us so no SISU no club - admin first? Liquidation second if no buyers. Please don't mention Hoffman - even you must realise that was never happening.
Sure I can find more if you want
There is no suggestion that I am against people saving the club. In fact all Don could drag up is one direct quote from one of these in the Telegraph.
However, has it perhaps not occurred to you that some people have legitimate concerns that returning to people who have previously been associated with the club in equally difficult circumstances may not be the best options? Haskell has tried on at least 2, possibly 3 occasions to buy a club so he hasn't been found has he -- he has come looking.
Most supporters want to look forward and get new faces in. Southampton I hardly think would welcome Rupert Lowe back even though I am sure he loves the club and I don't think many would be rejoicing if good old Bryan Richardson or Mike Mcginnity waltzed back in.
If there is a takeover then of course it would be stupid not be happy as it raises hope. Some however would like a fresh board with new ideas not faces from the past associated with failure.
However if this does happen almost certainly ACL and the Council will have to surrender to demands that already have been made by the current owners. A stand I have supported and been very consistent on. I think you'll find I won't be the one backtracking then.
Many claim they knew how it was going to turn out, but nobody knew, because there was sod all info available with which to judge SISU, and they've done an extremely good job of keeping things that way.
They are behaving exactly as they did with companies before they took over the club, nothing has changed in their behaviour, just that people don't think it's a good thing anymore.
The amount of people I've seen on here in the last six months putting up the quote from the high court judge about Seppala, and asking why didn't Sourhampton want to be taken over by them and rather go into admin instead?
All put out 5 years ago by myself and others, but drowned out by the consensus of "Sisu saved us".
The consensus has now changed, but the drowning out of deny dissenting voices continues, but now it's "the Hoffman and Elliott will save us".
Believe it if you like and good for you, but don't dismiss any contrary opinion, as that is exactly what happened before.
People can make rational judgements on what has happened before affecting future events, nothing rational about blind faith whatever you choose to believe in.
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