Grendel
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Once again a quote based on a response to a post well in the past. What point are you trying to make?
Grendel it seems it was you Mr Hoffman was referring to when he suggested people were saying he wanted to pick the club up for nothing
Arrogant and stupid is in there for good measure as well
I think Mr Hoffman was spot on to have a pop back and mabe it is not quite as outrageous as you suggest
He was quite gracious really by adding that you are a passionate Cov fan who would think differently if you really knew what he was doing.
Originally Posted by kduffy:
Look this club had been living on borrowed time financially for many years. We must be the only club that have gone down and after the parachute cushion retained league one status and / or not fell into administration.
Crowds are very poor given the size of the city. Sisu are business focused and cannot be expected to have affinity with the club. We are a white elephant to them. In truth I am amazed that they still back this club at all. I would have pulled the plug last year.
It's an unholy mess. Elliot and ransom are culpable and the fool mcginnity should have pushed admin on us years ago, we are existing on life support. There are no solutions until the public support the club in numbers and generate revenue.
To me Hoffman is the voyeur looking on. It's very obvious the money he has is limited and he wants the club for nothing. For a so called astute business brain this is arrogant and stupid. If you spent £30 million on an investment opportunity would you give it away for nothing? No you wouldn't.
Ultimately we will get what we deserve.
You can say that now, but the info we have in them now wasn't being banded about back then. I can't recall facts about what they'd done with other companies being presented; in fact I haven't seen any recently either - still just people being vague and generalising. Anyone got the name of a company they've done this to? I've never seen one put forward.
Once again a quote based on a response to a post well in the past. What point are you trying to make?
Agreed, but equally, do you not think Hoffman and Elliott have learnt from their SISU experience? It's not as if they headhunted SISU anyway, and one of them resigned in protest at their ownership whilst another was booted out by them. Don't you think their desire to see fan representation on the board is a reflection of that rather than just spin?
I agree. SISU could go tomorrow and I would welcome it. However, I would love nothing more than a fresh start with our football club. Not people who have been involved with failed regimes in the past. As you stated may people have been good for the club in the past, but that doesn't mean to say that they'd be any good here now in 2013. It's pointless getting rid of one lot of failed owners for another. Or, if not pointless, then risky.
Saying that, if they took over then they would get my support. As SISU did. I was vilified for that, and continue to be.
If JE and GH did take over and it went wrong then I think we could almost guarantee that they'd still come out of it smelling of roses.
Can't see the point in dragging up old quotes to point score. When we write something on this forum it is generally about "here and now". I'm sure there are posts we ALL wish we hadn't written, but with Dongo's patented Hindsight Goggles it seems he doesn't take that into account.
Why even last night I myself was pondering the great football we saw under Thorn during his caretaker reign. Maybe we were playing so good because we didn't have any pressure (not much to play for), or teams we were playing were in a similar mindset to our team now-had something to play for, dropped out of contention, nothing to play for so there for the taking? And we had some very, very good players-good enough to carry the side and put on the show when given tremendous creative freedom after being tied to the Boothroyd leash? Almost the opposite of our side/situation now, really.
But don't tell me that lots of people who wanted Thorn in the job didn't flip last season and decide that that they never did! There would have been uproar from the majority fans if he hadn't got the job, but you're hard pressed to find many that will admit that they were amongst them.
Don't think you'll find any double standards from me. Just shows fans know not very much and is why board representation is pointless unless it is restricted to input on fan issues regarding non strategic elements.
The point of fan representation is not that they make decisions, it's that the fans can't be abused in the ways that they have been by the current shower.
I agree. SISU could go tomorrow and I would welcome it. However, I would love nothing more than a fresh start with our football club. Not people who have been involved with failed regimes in the past. As you stated may people have been good for the club in the past, but that doesn't mean to say that they'd be any good here now in 2013. It's pointless getting rid of one lot of failed owners for another. Or, if not pointless, then risky.
Saying that, if they took over then they would get my support. As SISU did. I was vilified for that, and continue to be.
If JE and GH did take over and it went wrong then I think we could almost guarantee that they'd still come out of it smelling of roses.
Unless its someone with boardroom experience and gravitas I don't see the point. I fit the bill but I might be too busy.
They have been abused a lot more. I'm not going to write the list out as it's been done a hundred times before. You can argue that the real damage was done by the Richardson regime, sure, but in terms of outright maliciousness towards the supporters, SISU are the worst we've ever had-and amongst the worst in the game ever.
I don't want to appear to be defending them, but how would you define what they have done in respect of being the worst we've ever had in terms of maliciousness towards supporters? Point me to a list if its been done before!
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Once again a quote based on a response to a post well in the past. What point are you trying to make?
The point of fan representation is not that they make decisions, it's that the fans can't be abused in the ways that they have been by the current shower.
Can't see the point in dragging up old quotes to point score. When we write something on this forum it is generally about "here and now". I'm sure there are posts we ALL wish we hadn't written, but with Dongo's patented Hindsight Goggles it seems he doesn't take that into account.
At the end of the day you Torch and Lord have had a few pops At Gary Hoffman.
It is an Internet forum that is your opinion I can disagree with you that's my opinion that is what it is about.
I just don't think the three of you should be that shocked or outraged when he has a dig back.
The only thing I can think of is they recruited that lazy tub of lard Thorn.
Why are they even talking about posters on an internet forum anyway? It is bizarre.
Why are they even talking about posters on an internet forum anyway? It is bizarre.
Why even last night I myself was pondering the great football we saw under Thorn during his caretaker reign. Maybe we were playing so good because we didn't have any pressure (not much to play for), or teams we were playing were in a similar mindset to our team now-had something to play for, dropped out of contention, nothing to play for so there for the taking? And we had some very, very good players-good enough to carry the side and put on the show when given tremendous creative freedom after being tied to the Boothroyd leash? Almost the opposite of our side/situation now, really.
But don't tell me that lots of people who wanted Thorn in the job didn't flip last season and decide that that they never did! There would have been uproar from the majority fans if he hadn't got the job, but you're hard pressed to find many that will admit that they were amongst them.
The Chinese takeover may well have happened; the chairman at the time (can't think of his name) said he thought he could get the deal done (the deal on un-headed paper), however after a confidential meeting down in London someone from the meeting ran straight to the Sun newspaper, who gave an exclusive on Allardyce being involved etc. The trust with the Chinese was at that point lost, and they walked away.
Go public and state he voted against the decision, but was outvoted? (Not really an option as a confidentiality agreement probably blocks this).
why would that be confidential, surely that kind of thing is the whole reason for having fan representation. look at the Marlon King situation for example, would have been a lot easier if there was a fan rep on the board to tell us what actually happened with his contract renewal rather than the mess we ended up with. has happened many other times as well.
Don't mention confidentiality agreements around Grendel he believes they don't exist !!!!!
Don't mention confidentiality agreements around Grendel he believes they don't exist !!!!!
I'm a total Jonah. "Go into Local Government" they said, "they can't go bust". That was 7 years ago. The cutbacks started soon after my first day I think...
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