Political motivation played a part on both sides.
The fact remains thatcher was elected through democratic process. Scargill used anti democratic means to try and bring down an elected institution.
Scargill reminds me of Field Marshall Haig in the Great War. A dispassionate obsessive who saw his own troops as dispensable commodities while sitting back well away from the battle enjoying the fruits of capitalism.
When these dreadful anti democrats leave this earth I suspect their political enemies will ultimately treat their passing with respect. I think that shows class and dignity.
The spiteful ill informed drivel that has come since thatchers passing undermines us as a nation.
People can argue the pro's and Cons of MT and her effect on the UK at the time and going forward, its all very debatable. I was not a fan as a young man but can understand a lot more of why she did what she did now, 25 years later. All that said I categorically insist that in these times of our declining economy and hardships for many, the public purse should not be paying for the funeral of someone who was undoubtedly very wealthy and indeed spent the last 3 months of her life in a suite at the Ritz !! How insulting is that to those who are now being made redundant in public spending cuts !
Well said Ash. For all the outrage about the 'celebrations' greeting her demise the fact the country is paying such a massive amount of dosh for her send off...at a time when her groupies are inflicting cut after cut on the already downtrodden is the biggest disgrace of all.
Do you think the "massive amount" is as much as taxpayers currently spend to support the bloated benefit system? No I thought not.
Why are you answering your own questions?
That is entirely irrelevant as I'm sure you realise though.
Political motivation played a part on both sides.
The fact remains thatcher was elected through democratic process. Scargill used anti democratic means to try and bring down an elected institution.
Scargill reminds me of Field Marshall Haig in the Great War. A dispassionate obsessive who saw his own troops as dispensable commodities while sitting back well away from the battle enjoying the fruits of capitalism.
When these dreadful anti democrats leave this earth I suspect their political enemies will ultimately treat their passing with respect. I think that shows class and dignity.
The spiteful ill informed drivel that has come since thatchers passing undermines us as a nation.
It's not a massive amount in context. Three times elected Prime Ministers (even the ghastly Blair) should be afforded the honour.
I suggest if you really want to see the downtrodden take a trip to some Marxist hell hole like Zimbawbe, North Korea or Cuba.
Andy Thorn would have done a better job than Maggie
Scargill reminds me of Field Marshall Haig in the Great War. A dispassionate obsessive who saw his own troops as dispensable commodities while sitting back well away from the battle enjoying the fruits of capitalism.
You should wash your mouth out with soap. You clearly are not very intelligent or you would understand having respect for the office of Prime Minister. For achieving such high office and to lead your country is deserving of respect in itself. You can loath MT all you want and I don't give a dam but I will respect your opinion.
Just the basic human respect for the dead who have passed on and had their time would be the correct thing to do.
These 'parties' are just bunches of lefty sheep having a laugh at the dead and show no remorse or respect for the dead person or their family. Disgraceful behaviour.
You are nothing short of contemptible. Your ideology is flawed and you lack the brains to figure it out based purely on your own back ground. Insular and pathetic.
Let me tell you back in the mid '80s I was on the dole. I sold everything I had to put into a risky venture, lived off bacon sandwiches for the most part and found ways to get stuff done for little cost and begged and borrowed and and got help from tradesman and suppliers who believed in me. I lived in a caravan for months with a car that was on it's knees. I made that business a great success. To suggest someone like me was 'obviously not on the bread line' again is in itself disrespectful. Stop judging people ass hole!
I know plenty of working class who always voted for MT. I know plenty who vote labour who based on class you would have thought otherwise. MT didn't create division it's people like you that do that.
Seriously mate-go feck yourself will you? How dare a twat like you to tell me to wash my mouth out? You are ignorant to the circumstances of millions that suffered thanks to that bitch. feck right off.
Just out of interest how are you qualified to be a moderator on this forum?
Vile offensive abuse is hardly necessary is it?
Originally Posted by GrendelPolitical motivation played a part on both sides.
The fact remains thatcher was elected through democratic process. Scargill used anti democratic means to try and bring down an elected institution.
Scargill reminds me of Field Marshall Haig in the Great War. A dispassionate obsessive who saw her own troops as dispensable commodities while sitting back well away from the battle enjoying the fruits of capitalism.
When these dreadful anti democrats leave this earth I suspect their political enemies will ultimately treat their passing with respect. I think that shows class and dignity.
The spiteful ill informed drivel that has come since thatchers passing undermines us as a nation.
Whilst not wishing to argue about politics....Thought the above(With a change to her instead of his)
Fits Septic very well!
It's not difficult, it's simple. Thatcher was an evil bitch who lacked basic emotions like compassion. No tears for her in my house.
No tears in my house either but certainly no classless celebrations of any kind.
Can I just say its nice to see different 'allegiances' from the usual 'Sisu/ACL battle lines' on this thread.
Whatever your view on her, can anyone really justify ANY politician having a public funded state funeral? It is bound to be divisive and be used by current politicians (on both siddes) for their own purposes.
The family should just make their own arrangements in a dignified way - like the rest of us.
The funeral was agreed in advance by the last Labour government
You sure? (and I'm no fan of Labour btw)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2008/aug/02/harrietharman.margaretthatcher
Can I just say its nice to see different 'allegiances' from the usual 'Sisu/ACL battle lines' on this thread.
Whatever your view on her, can anyone really justify ANY politician having a public funded state funeral? It is bound to be divisive and be used by current politicians (on both siddes) for their own purposes.
The family should just make their own arrangements in a dignified way - like the rest of us.
Maggie has created some strange alliances on here.
And broken some of the strongest partnerships
If it hadn't of been for Thatcher you'd all be living in mud huts these days under a looney labour government with hyper inflation.
A lot of idiots mouthing off and protesting about her weren't even born or were young children when she was in power. Says it all really
Bollocks. We'd still have a manufacturing industry, social housing for those that need it and we wouldn't be importing 60M tonnes of coal a year. The police at Hillsborough would also have been taken to task too.
I was around so I know what it was like and how tough it was in the early 80s. Without Thatcher we have a more compassionate Britain not obsessed with "me, me, me".
Horrible, horrible woman.
Bollocks. We'd still have a manufacturing industry, social housing for those that need it and we wouldn't be importing 60M tonnes of coal a year. The police at Hillsborough would also have been taken to task too.
I was around so I know what it was like and how tough it was in the early 80s. Without Thatcher we have a more compassionate Britain not obsessed with "me, me, me".
Horrible, horrible woman.
You couldn't guarantee any of those things. Competition, technology and big business from abroad has dictated most of those negatives. The Brits had largely stopped investing in our industries just as the Japs and Germans pumped in everything they had. As for Hillsborough, who knows what would have happened under Labour, its all conjecture. This country is suffering due to other countries abusing and exploiting their large populations in order to manufacture so cheaply, manipulation of currency exchanges and inflation etc is what we combat now.
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