Grendel
Well-Known Member
So again by murdering and torturing a two year old his life was enhanced at taxpayers expense.
Try telling that to the victims parents. Although that’s emotive to an extent the punishment hasn’t matched the crime.
Shocking to see that some people believe the state should execute a 10 year old child. No doubt they then drone on about Shariah Law when they'd probably fit in quite nicely.
The system seems to have worked for the other one but Venebles should be sentenced indefinitely.
So again by murdering and torturing a two year old his life was enhanced at taxpayers expense.
Try telling that to the victims parents. Although that’s emotive to an extent the punishment hasn’t matched the crime.
I've already said he should be imprisoned indefinitely. An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth, eh?
The punishment won’t and shouldn’t match the crime. Can you imagine a society where we torture 10 year olds cause they tortured another person.So again by murdering and torturing a two year old his life was enhanced at taxpayers expense.
Try telling that to the victims parents. Although that’s emotive to an extent the punishment hasn’t matched the crime.
Not any moreWell I’ve in the past been opposed to the death penalty but I do find it rather odd that a society is spending more on healthcare for Ian Brady than a care home dementia sufferer.
Not any more
The punishment won’t and shouldn’t match the crime. Can you imagine a society where we torture 10 year olds cause they tortured another person.
Do you genuinely believe that? Genuinely??What I’m saying is by killing and torturing he has enhanced his quality of life as an adult - great message for society.
Do you genuinely believe that? Genuinely??
That is a really warped way of looking at things.He has. He lived in a deprived home with dysfunctional parents. His outlook would have been bleak. He’s received care, education and a new identity. Mary Bell is the same.
Under strict controls and restrictions when they left prison. Also believe they weren't allowed to go back to their home city of Liverpool. They could also be recalled to prison upon any breach of their conditions, so had that hanging over their heads.That is a really warped way of looking at things.
Extremely worrying to be in that mindset at such a young age isn't it.Can't help thinking if you have that capability for evil at 10 it isn't going anywhere
Extremely worrying to be in that mindset at such a young age isn't it.
I do think releasing them after just 8 years was a bit presumptive. Also very concerned that Venables would then also go round telling people after he was released who he really was as if it was like some kind of badge of honour. I would have thought that 99% of people upon hearing that news would be utterly appalled and revolted and not be admiring.
Lets face it the prison system is rehabilitating virtually no one. Its also not acting as much of a punishment / deterrent.
Maybe time for a rethink, what are the alternatives?
Can only imagine what it costs us. There are obviously figures out there, but I heard on TV the other night that it costs £200 a night to house someone in a cell at a police station.Expensive is what the alternatives are.
Proper rehab would cost money in staffing, building redesign, training and education and post prison support that as a society we probably aren’t willing to pay sadly.
Prison isn’t really about the criminals, it’s more about feeding a desire for vengeance. Only in very few cases do criminals just need to be taken off the street, mostly sending them down just condemn them to a life of crime with their newfound network of associates.
Would be interesting to know how the costs of rehabilitating a first time offender compares to the cost of having them in and out of prison all their life?Proper rehab would cost money in staffing, building redesign, training and education and post prison support that as a society we probably aren’t willing to pay sadly.
VIctorian system of command control seeking to dehumanise anyone inside.
Plenty of solutions but no political or societal will
Shocking to see that some people believe the state should execute a 10 year old child. No doubt they then drone on about Shariah Law when they'd probably fit in quite nicely..
Under Shariah people are killed for not believing in God. Your comparison is grossly misleading unless you think that atheism is a crime that deserves the same penalty as torturing and murdeting a toddler.
Not really. You have fully grown men advocating that the state should execute 10 year old boys for committing murder. You'd have plenty agreeing with it in countries living under Shariah Law, I'm sure.
Not really. You have fully grown men advocating that the state should execute 10 year old boys for committing murder. You'd have plenty agreeing with it in countries living under Shariah Law, I'm sure.
Don't care what the word means, it is the vile content that bothers me and it can't be compared to a more mature and reasonable code of law as practised by western democracies.Nah, “Sharia” literally means “path”, as in the path to salvation. Most of it corresponds to the equivalent western rules. What people who froth at sharia actually mean is Hudud.
Not really. You have fully grown men advocating that the state should execute 10 year old boys for committing murder. You'd have plenty agreeing with it in countries living under Shariah Law, I'm sure.
Told you we would have aspects of Shariah Law in the UK within 100 years.
Pay up!
Think its already here.
Islamic Sharia
Shariah Council Midlands
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Told you we would have aspects of Shariah Law in the UK within 100 years.
Pay up!
You said as a country we would be living under it.
Christ alive, we go all Muslimist even on a thread about strong white native scumbags!
Do you have a problem of murderers of women and children having a hard time? Because I don't. A nonce should also get life. Life should mean life. The public needs protecting.I do believe if you are a child killer you have to be separated from the general prison population, because they really do pick on you and give you a rough ride.
I haven't seen anyone say execute a 10 year old. But that after years of him re offending that he will never be safe for others on the outside.Shocking to see that some people believe the state should execute a 10 year old child. No doubt they then drone on about Shariah Law when they'd probably fit in quite nicely.
The system seems to have worked for the other one but Venebles should be sentenced indefinitely.
It has cost 1m for just changing his name 4 times. He has cost us millions already just keeping him out of prison. Would be cheaper to put him in prison and throw away the key. Just like they used to do.Under strict controls and restrictions when they left prison. Also believe they weren't allowed to go back to their home city of Liverpool. They could also be recalled to prison upon any breach of their conditions, so had that hanging over their heads.
Not sure 'enhanced' is quite the right word.
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