Jordan Shipley - is he good enough for league 1 (12 Viewers)

Otis · Nov 18, 2018

Hiwula's first thought is to attack and move the ball forwards, Shipley's is not. He's more happy keeping it simple and keep the ball moving around the midfield probing for space. He does get forwards, but not to the same degree.

Shipley is a lot less likely to bomb forwards at every given opportunity. Hiwula is an attacking player and his first thought is forwards.

Shipley is just more disciplined and therefore that gives the side balance. It's clearly not worked though because Shipley has been playing poorly.

DannyThomas_1981 · Nov 18, 2018

Skybluefaz said:
Keep hearing this word balance offered to describe the benefits that Shipley brings to the team. Is this literally because he's left footed? Because he doesn't offer any more protection for the full back and offers less of a goal threat going forward.

Disagree. He offers far more protection than Hiwula. Obviously we're all waiting for a fully fit JJ but Shipley is the best alternative we have on the left ahead of that. If Hiwula plays it can only be as part of a front 3 or in place of Chaplin. I personally think that Chaplin offers more but needs to be more advanced.

Skybluefaz · Nov 18, 2018

Because in league two he did have enough to be an attacking threat, chipped in with some good goals. In league one the football is quicker, the quality of players is better and he's struggled.

Otis · Nov 18, 2018

Skybluefaz said:
Because in league two he did have enough to be an attacking threat, chipped in with some good goals. In league one the football is quicker, the quality of players is better and he's struggled.

Why has Robins been picking him THIS season?

Skybluefaz · Nov 18, 2018

DannyThomas_1981 said:
Disagree. He offers far more protection than Hiwula. Obviously we're all waiting for a fully fit JJ but Shipley is the best alternative we have on the left ahead of that. If Hiwula plays it can only be as part of a front 3 or in place of Chaplin. I personally think that Chaplin offers more but needs to be more advanced.

Players get past him easily because he doesn't have the speed or agility to turn quickly enough. Or the ability to read what a player is going to do. Remember that time he put in a really good tackle? No neither do I.

Skybluefaz · Nov 18, 2018

Otis said:
Why has Robins been picking him THIS season?

On the back of last seasons form. He had to give him a chance. Not happened though has it?

Otis · Nov 18, 2018

Skybluefaz said:
On the back of last seasons form. He had to give him a chance. Not happened though has it?

He hasn't played well.

Out of Hiwula and Shipley, one can play fullback.

I'll let you guess as to which one.

I think that is the answer.

Grendel · Nov 18, 2018

Otis said:
He hasn't played well.

Out of Hiwula and Shipley, one can play fullback.

I'll let you guess as to which one.

I think that is the answer.

The notion he gives the team shape is a myth. It’s just a meaningless statement

He’s actually poor defensively

DannyThomas_1981 · Nov 18, 2018

Skybluefaz said:
Players get past him easily because he doesn't have the speed or agility to turn quickly enough. Or the ability to read what a player is going to do. Remember that time he put in a really good tackle? No neither do I.

Alternatively Shipley is a decent athlete with a good engine. Would Shipley be my first choice on the left if JJ was fit? No. Does he offer far more to the team right now vs. Hiwula? I would say yes even though he doesn't have the crowd pleasing technical skills that Hiwula has. Is Shippers running a little low on confidence right now? Probably so we need to get off his back - he's not Gareth Bale but could do a job for us.

One thing that I do clearly remember is yesterday. Hiwula offered nothing in attack and no protection for Brown in defence. He was missing in action.

Different opinions Faz. I do see the quality in Hiwula by the way but not on the left.

Skybluefaz · Nov 18, 2018

Otis said:
He hasn't played well.

Out of Hiwula and Shipley, one can play fullback.

I'll let you guess as to which one.

I think that is the answer.

The answer to what?

Otis · Nov 18, 2018

Grendel said:
The notion he gives the team shape is a myth. It’s just a meaningless statement

He’s actually poor defensively

Disagree on the myth bit.

I agree, he is poor defensively, but as quite a chunk of his career has been as a left back he is just more disciplined than Hiwula, who's only thought and instinct is to attack.

That therefore gives the shape, because Shipley will defend and will attack.

Defensively though, I agree, he is not great at all.

Otis · Nov 18, 2018

Skybluefaz said:
The answer to what?

The balance that Robins sees. A player who will defend and will attack, as opposed to a player who will only attack.

Grendel · Nov 18, 2018

Otis said:
Disagree on the myth bit.

I agree, he is poor defensively, but as quite a chunk of his career has been as a left back he is just more disciplined than Hiwula, who's only thought and instinct is to attack.

That therefore gives the shape, because Shipley will defend and will attack.

Defensively though, I agree, he is not great at all.

Jones instinct is to attack so I assume he would not “give shape” either

Skybluefaz · Nov 18, 2018

DannyThomas_1981 said:
Alternatively Shipley is a decent athlete with a good engine. Would Shipley be my first choice on the left if JJ was fit? No. Does he offer far more to the team right now vs. Hiwula? I would say yes even though he doesn't have the crowd pleasing technical skills that Hiwula has. Is Shippers running a little low on confidence right now? Probably so we need to get off his back - he's not Gareth Bale but could do a job for us.

One thing that I do clearly remember is yesterday. Hiwula offered nothing in attack and no protection for Brown in defence. He was missing in action.

Different opinions Faz. I do see the quality in Hiwula by the way but not on the left.

Yeah no problem with differing opinions. He proved his worth on the left with his goals on our winning run. I can see why Robins has kept faith with him despite him being crap for a couple of games. I agree though that left wing is definitely not his position.

Otis · Nov 18, 2018

Grendel said:
Jones instinct is to attack so I assume he would not “give shape” either

Ah, but now you are being a bit silly, because of course you accommodate someone like Jones because he is so good.

We are not talking about Jones, we are talking about Hiwula vs Shipley

Personally, I wouldn't pick Shipley at the moment at all, as he is clearly struggling.

All I have consistently said is I can understand as to why Robins appears to be picking him for games. He clearly sees that Shipley gives more balance and protection on the left side than Hiwula does.

Grendel · Nov 18, 2018

Otis said:
Ah, but now you are being a bit silly, because of course you accommodate someone like Jones because he is so good.

We are not talking about Jones, we are talking about Hiwula vs Shipley

Personally, I wouldn't pick Shipley at the moment at all, as he is clearly struggling.

All I have consistently said is to why Robins appears to be picking him for games. He clearly sees that Shipley gives more balance and protection on the left side than Hiwula does.

Hiwula cost more than Jones and his pedigree is clearly better.

Robins isn’t even putting Shipley on the bench

He did well last year and I like his effort and endeavour but reality is he’s not good enough

Otis · Nov 18, 2018

Grendel said:
Hiwula cost more than Jones and his pedigree is clearly better.

Robins isn’t even putting Shipley on the bench

He did well last year and I like his effort and endeavour but reality is he’s not good enough

He played only 2 or 3 games ago didn't he?

I agree he is not good enough at the moment. I am hoping he is just badly out of form. If not, he is clearly just not good enough for League One.

Be interesting to see what happens in January with him if this continues.

Grendel · Nov 18, 2018

Otis said:
He played only 2 or 3 games ago didn't he?

I agree he is not good enough at the moment. I am hoping he is just badly out of form. If not, he is clearly just not good enough for League One.

Be interesting to see what happens in January with him if this continues.

He hasn’t started a league game since the Portsmouth defeat and had played 15 minutes in the league since

Otis · Nov 18, 2018

Grendel said:
He hasn’t started a league game since the Portsmouth defeat and had played 15 minutes in the league since

Cup game then.

He definitely played recently. Unless I am going mad.

Sky Blue Harry H · Nov 18, 2018

I'll throw something into the ring. If Hiwula is letting us down, could Brown play further up the pitch (he does seem to like going forward) and have McCallum/Mason behind him ?

Otis · Nov 18, 2018

Sky Blue Harry H said:
I'll throw something into the ring. If Hiwula is letting us down, could Brown play further up the pitch (he does seem to like going forward) and have McCallum/Mason behind him ?

I thought the same thing this morning, Harry, but it's not something that has worked too well in the past, that of playing a fullback as a wide midfielder.

Skybluefaz · Nov 18, 2018

Sky Blue Harry H said:
I'll throw something into the ring. If Hiwula is letting us down, could Brown play further up the pitch (he does seem to like going forward) and have McCallum/Mason behind him ?

Possibly, although you are stumbling into the Ryan Haynes conundrum.

Sky Blue Harry H · Nov 18, 2018

Skybluefaz said:
Possibly, although you are stumbling into the Ryan Haynes conundrum.

Thought that when I posted. Just trying to address JJ not fit and Shippers off form. Temporary measure (in reply to Otis too!)

Adge · Nov 18, 2018

Skybluefaz said:
Possibly, although you are stumbling into the Ryan Haynes conundrum.

Please don’t remind us!

Sky Blue Harry H · Nov 18, 2018

Grendel said:
Robins isn’t even putting Shipley on the bench

One game......yes, he's been out of form, but he's still really early on in his career. I'm not even convinced he's found his proper position yet.

JulianDarbyFTW · Nov 18, 2018

Skybluefaz said:
Possibly, although you are stumbling into the Ryan Haynes conundrum.

Or Chris Hussey. IIRC he had a game midweek somewhere at left mid and play like he'd never seen a ball before.

Grendel · Nov 18, 2018

JulianDarbyFTW said:
Or Chris Hussey. IIRC he had a game midweek somewhere at left mid and play like he'd never seen a ball before.

The next Gareth Bale - surely not

Otis · Nov 18, 2018

COVKIDSNEVERQUIT said:
11+ is he are new left winger.

Are left winger.

Indeed.

covcity4life · Nov 19, 2018

Otis just stick to making shit jokes, you do not have a clue about football

shipley cannot tackle. he ball watches more than ogogo

fernandopartridge · Nov 19, 2018

Sky Blue Harry H said:
I'll throw something into the ring. If Hiwula is letting us down, could Brown play further up the pitch (he does seem to like going forward) and have McCallum/Mason behind him ?

No, a left back who can get forward on occasion doesn't necessarily make a successful winger. Remember that full backs usually prosper on the overlap rather than having to do the wingplay themselves.

Otis · Nov 19, 2018

covcity4life said:
Otis just stick to making shit jokes, you do not have a clue about football

shipley cannot tackle. he ball watches more than ogogo

Geez, if you are the oracle of all football we are all truly doomed.

I agree that Shipley cannot tackle. All I have consistently maintained is the reason why Robins has picked him for that left sided midfielder slot.

If you disagree, you really need to start calling Robins out on it for his ineptitude.

covcity4life · Nov 19, 2018

Otis said:
Geez, if you are the oracle of all football we are all truly doomed.

I agree that Shipley cannot tackle. All I have consistently maintained is the reason why Robins has picked him for that left sided midfielder slot.

If you disagree, you really need to start calling Robins out on it for his ineptitude.

i did and he promptly dropped him

Otis · Nov 19, 2018

covcity4life said:
i did and he promptly dropped him

Ha!

I fully expect MR then to come out and say he's had some annoying little troll keep bothering him and he had to drop Shipley just to shut him up.

covcity4life · Nov 19, 2018

Otis said:
Ha!

I fully expect MR then to come out and say he's had some annoying little troll keep bothering him and he had to drop Shipley just to shut him up.

you're welcome

itsabuzzard · Nov 19, 2018

covcity4life said:
Otis just stick to making shit jokes, you do not have a clue about football

shipley cannot tackle. he ball watches more than ogogo

Pot kettle.

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