Astute
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And have CCC call Fisher up and ask him if he said that they wouldn't have done the same deal as Wasps after the deal was done?
Or ask Joy if she refused to negotiate with CCC?
And explain why we had moved to Northampton.
And have CCC call Fisher up and ask him if he said that they wouldn't have done the same deal as Wasps after the deal was done?As I understand it JR1 was to see if the loan was lawful, and JR2 is about why a deal wasn't offered to CCFC on the same terms or CCFC not having a chance to offer more, thus getting a better return for the tax payers. If that is the case , while the council are duty bound to get the best deal for the tax payer , Both them and the charity had to agree who they were going to sell to, if Higgs no , then there is no case QUESTION is that too simplistic and if so why
Even if that meant the club folds?Well that's my point, they have the power not to approve a move and I don't think they should approve one. At the very least they should be letting SISU know that they might not. If we leave the Ricoh again, that's got to be game over.
Yes the reason given by the the Football League for allowing Northampton was because the club was in a rent dispute , this is Taking our landlords to court, Thus making ourselves homelessAm going to be interested to see how fisher spins that Ccfc not taking legal action against Ccfc and others
Especially when otium bought all the assets, brand, intellectual property that was Ccfc and says it trades as Ccfc
Plus the league share is recorded in the name of otium entertainment group at companies house.
Still at least I got the claimants absolutely right when others insisted otherwise........
It's the discretion that we would be relying upon. EVERYONE involved in football can see what a car crash SISU have been and what damage they are doing to the club and therefore to the game. You can take the view that the people on the EFL board are just as bad as SISU, but they're not. They have no vested interest in supporting SISU and they should see that SISU are treating the club (and therefore the league) with contempt. They won't want to be in the firing line, bombarded by fans letters, called to Parliamentary select committees. There is a possibility that pressure brought to bear on them might (let's put it no stronger than that) have some effect. In the words of Monty Python, SISU wouldn't budge if you put 3 million volts through them.The trouble with the football league rules is that they are regulations subject to discretion ........ and we all know where relying on those regulations has got us in the past
What's the alternative? To drift down the leagues. To move to some tiny stadium. If it folds, then it'll phoenix somewhere else without SISU.Even if that meant the club folds?
Yes the reason given by the the Football League for allowing Northampton was because the club was in a rent dispute , this is Taking our landlords to court, Thus making ourselves homeless
We're not taking our landlords to court though - we're taking the council to court. Wasps are solely named as an 'interested party', in reality the only people at actual risk of having to pay damages are Coventry City Council (and most would see that as a fairly remote outcome).
Wasps were refusing to negotiate on the rent deal long before this decision was made. I don't think the FL will take the line that we've made ourselves homeless if it comes to that, so I wouldn't look to them for help.
I'm perhaps unique here in that I have no problem with JR2. Everyone is entitled to present their case to the courts if they feel they've been wronged, and I've got no problem with the council having their decision making challenged. If it's all completely above board SISU will get their arses kicked, again, and if it isn't I'd like the truth out there.
Fair point , for the record I have no problem with JR2 either , I think like a lot of people, thought it would have automatically started straight after the first one, Hence the Frustration nowWe're not taking our landlords to court though - we're taking the council to court. Wasps are solely named as an 'interested party', in reality the only people at actual risk of having to pay damages are Coventry City Council (and most would see that as a fairly remote outcome).
Wasps were refusing to negotiate on the rent deal long before this decision was made. I don't think the FL will take the line that we've made ourselves homeless if it comes to that, so I wouldn't look to them for help.
I'm perhaps unique here in that I have no problem with JR2. Everyone is entitled to present their case to the courts if they feel they've been wronged, and I've got no problem with the council having their decision making challenged. If it's all completely above board SISU will get their arses kicked, again, and if it isn't I'd like the truth out there.
We're not taking our landlords to court though
It would rise as a Phoenix without me, would be out if it came to that, but I completely Agree withWhat's the alternative? To drift down the leagues. To move to some tiny stadium. If it folds, then it'll phoenix somewhere else without SISU.
I would like to know what the real truth is.We're not taking our landlords to court though - we're taking the council to court. Wasps are solely named as an 'interested party', in reality the only people at actual risk of having to pay damages are Coventry City Council (and most would see that as a fairly remote outcome).
Wasps were refusing to negotiate on the rent deal long before this decision was made. I don't think the FL will take the line that we've made ourselves homeless if it comes to that, so I wouldn't look to them for help.
I'm perhaps unique here in that I have no problem with JR2. Everyone is entitled to present their case to the courts if they feel they've been wronged, and I've got no problem with the council having their decision making challenged. If it's all completely above board SISU will get their arses kicked, again, and if it isn't I'd like the truth out there.
I would go for this, if it wasn't the for the fact that this was the standard line for JR1, and we all saw how that panned out. Occam's razor suggests that Sisu are doing what Sisu said they would do and using the courts to enact revenge when a deal doesn't go their way. Frankly, I think that an abuse of taxpayer money. And if the reports are true that they still haven't paid up for the last one, even more taxpayer money.
The council have been repeatedly challenged throughout, including complaints to the ethics board, and come out clean every time. At some point it's just a vexatious lawsuit.
Not strictly true
PART 54 - JUDICIAL REVIEW AND STATUTORY REVIEW - Civil Procedure Rules
"(f) ‘interested party’ means any person (other than the claimant and defendant) who is directly affected by the claim; and"
All fair enough, but if it's truly vexatious and without foundation then the court will bounce it out pretty quickly on that basis. Occam's razor (iirc) proposes that the simplest possible solution is the right one - but there's nothing simple about how any of this has been conducted. With all respect to the ethics board, that was the council investigating itself and the scope was far more limited than the JR.
The point about taxpayer money is fair, but then the argument behind a JR is an abuse of process (which may or may not have cost the taxpayers money). I don't think in itself it costing the taxpayer money is an argument for a case not to be brought.
If SISU haven't paid the last set of costs, then I presume the Council will take action against them for that, and I'd be right behind them doing that. SISU had their day(s) in court, lost, and should pay the full price according to the judgement for doing so. It's an absolutely undisputable debt set by court order, so recovering payment won't be an issue. The unfairness here which I absolutely accept is that what they will pay probably doesn't truly match the Council's full costs, but the flaw there is within how the law works on these matters.
They are the group holding company who own Otium.I thought Sky Blue Sports and Leisure had been folded. Where do they fit in the spiders web of companies?
They are the group holding company who own Otium.
The Real Owners of Otium Enteryainment Group are:.....
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OtiumYeah generally I agree. Just playing Devil's Advocate as usual. I'd be very surprised if the council didn't ensure their backs are well covered knowing how litigious Sisu are. Mostly I'm pissed off that it looks like scuppering a new Ricoh deal and keeping Sisu here another couple of years.
My main issue with Sisu is that I start from an assumption on what they are doing (using the courts as a weapon, leaving the club to rot out of spite) in the hope that I'll be pleasantly surprised, yet they never fail to disappoint so I suppose I do go in assuming the worst from the start.
Oh and for SBK, and because I hadn't seen proof Otium are claimants anywhere else until this:
Got my outfit for the day ready
Got my outfit for the day ready
That would make a quality away day protest idea.
I can't for the life of me understand how Fisher can claim that CCFC is keeping it's distance from the legal stuff when CCFC is the trading name of Otium who are one of the claimants. How does he justify that claim?
I can't for the life of me understand how Fisher can claim that CCFC is keeping it's distance from the legal stuff when CCFC is the trading name of Otium who are one of the claimants. How does he justify that claim?
So it's
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Just asking I think that's how I feel tooWhat's the alternative? To drift down the leagues. To move to some tiny stadium. If it folds, then it'll phoenix somewhere else without SISU.
I can't for the life of me understand how Fisher can claim that CCFC is keeping it's distance from the legal stuff when CCFC is the trading name of Otium who are one of the claimants. How does he justify that claim?
I'm reasonably comfortable holding both positions on this however.Yeah generally I agree. Just playing Devil's Advocate as usual. I'd be very surprised if the council didn't ensure their backs are well covered knowing how litigious Sisu are. Mostly I'm pissed off that it looks like scuppering a new Ricoh deal and keeping Sisu here another couple of years.
My main issue with Sisu is that I start from an assumption on what they are doing (using the courts as a weapon, leaving the club to rot out of spite) in the hope that I'll be pleasantly surprised, yet they never fail to disappoint so I suppose I do go in assuming the worst from the start.
Would make an ideal outfit for leading the Conga !Got my outfit for the day ready
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