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better days · Apr 27, 2019

sw88 said:
I think had he had more competition behind him, he’d have lost his place long before now. Addai wasn’t going to offer that and imo was purely stepped up to make up the numbers on the bench and very last resort

Like last season, we had keepers rotating after each made a balls up or two. We’ve not had that option this year

Would be interesting to know why obrien has been unavailable for so much of the season? Don’t think that’s ever been shared has it? And on that subject I do think he would have been crucified if he’d made the same errors Burge has, but then again he’s not got the protective ‘Cov kid’ status

I didn’t agree with the mid game ironic cheers towards Burge but I can’t defend that he’s not had the best of seasons

Said last year he’d found his level

Apparently O'Brien had a big fall out with the manager
He's definitely leaving at the end of the season and has been banished from the squad in the meantime
Interestingly Robins and Stockdale share the same agent
Don't know if that means anything for the future but it probably helped get the emergency loan mid season

letsallsingtogether · Apr 27, 2019

Sky Blue Pete said:
It was the improvement you didn’t think he was capable of. Pretty sure bakayoko will embarrass you too

Not just Max dont know of many players Grendel has a good word for.
So just take what he says with a pinch of salt.

Grendel · Apr 27, 2019

Sky Blue Pete said:
It was the improvement you didn’t think he was capable of. Pretty sure bakayoko will embarrass you too

Again it’s an improvement from a bar set so abysmally low - your adulation for the worst players we have is strange

Sky Blue Pete · Apr 27, 2019

Grendel said:
Again it’s an improvement from a bar set so abysmally low - your adulation for the worst players we have is strange

Adulation ha and for the worst players!!!! Ha ha ha

letsallsingtogether · Apr 27, 2019

Sky Blue Pete said:
Adulation ha and for the worst players!!!! Ha ha ha

Wont bother with him he doesn't like anyone even himself.

Grendel · Apr 27, 2019

letsallsingtogether said:
Wont bother with him he doesn't like anyone even himself.

I’ve not criticised the vast majority of the squad - another one embarrassed by his backing of a garbage goalkeeper

sw88 · Apr 27, 2019

Sky Blue Pete said:
He was league 2 keeper of the season. Did you see de gea the last few games

And that is why I said he had found his level!

As for De Gea, “the past few games” can be excused can it not? As apposed to the majority of your career, which cannot

better days · Apr 28, 2019

Just heard Eliot Justham of Dagenham & Redbridge is possibly going to AFC Wimbledon
He's probably the best keeper in the National League
As his contract is about to expire I wonder if our recruitment team have looked at this lad
Daggers fans rate him their best player

KeresleyArmpit · Apr 28, 2019

Another 2 for Callum Wilson yesterday.. lets hope!

SkyBlueCRJ · Apr 28, 2019

better days said:
Don't know about other players mentioned but Fleck was made the best offer the club could afford and we really tried to keep him
Unfortunately he got a much bigger offer from Sheffield United

I've heard the contractual offer for Fleck was double than what we offered in terms of wages. It's long gone from my memory what the quoted figure was but it was certainly a decent package, especially considering Sheffield United were a League One side at the time. But it would be interesting to note when in the season the deal was actually offered as like I said, we had a horrible habit of letting contracts run out and only offering extensions at the end of the season - yet both the club and the fanbase still somehow ended up being shocked that players such as Fleck etc. were pinched, despite the club who offering far more lucrative contracts. In form players will always receive a better offer somewhere else (unless you're a PSG etc.) so sometimes that's football, however I'm inclined to believe there's a little more to our bad luck than that during that period.

Speculating slightly as I haven't looked at the timeline in any detail admittedly but it wouldn't surprise me if the issues regarding running players contracts down during this period was at least partly due to the constant changes in management and at board level during that turbulent period. It's difficult to tie down players on long term contracts when there's little to no consistency at a club.

Sky Blue Pete · Apr 28, 2019

SkyBlueCRJ said:
I've heard the contractual offer for Fleck was double than what we offered in terms of wages. It's long gone from my memory what the quoted figure was but it was certainly a decent package, especially considering Sheffield United were a League One side at the time. But it would be interesting to note when in the season the deal was actually offered as like I said, we had a horrible habit of letting contracts run out and only offering extensions at the end of the season - yet both the club and the fanbase still somehow ended up being shocked that players such as Fleck etc. were pinched, despite the club who offering far more lucrative contracts. In form players will always receive a better offer somewhere else (unless you're a PSG etc.) so sometimes that's football, however I'm inclined to believe there's a little more to our bad luck than that during that period.

Speculating slightly as I haven't looked at the timeline in any detail admittedly but it wouldn't surprise me if the issues regarding running players contracts down during this period was at least partly due to the constant changes in management and at board level during that turbulent period. It's difficult to tie down players on long term contracts when there's little to no consistency at a club.

It’s tricky to offer contracts when the budget for the following year is unknown

SkyBlueCRJ · Apr 28, 2019

Sky Blue Pete said:
It’s tricky to offer contracts when the budget for the following year is unknown

Budgetary restrictions is obviously the primary reason, there's no denying that. However, to blame that many players departing on the budget and ignore all other variables is slightly naive in my opinion.

Putting budgetary restrictions aside, I'm more interested in focusing on the timing - i.e. when the contracts were put on the table. If they were literally left to the expiry date of the players' contracts then why is this? Hence why it's of my opinion that the constant changes at both board and managerial level in part contributed to their release. Yes it's tricky to offers contracts when the budget for the following year is unknown, but similarly it's tricky to offer contracts when you have no idea who the next manager is going to be, or who is going to sign off on said contracts. I don't know the full details so like I said it's just a thought. I personally just find it hard to believe the reason that all those players we let go for free was purely budgetary, when it actually would've been in the financial interest of the club in the long term to hang on to players such as Westwood, Gunnarsson etc. Hindsight is a wonderful thing though isn't it!

Grendel · Apr 28, 2019

SkyBlueCRJ said:
Budgetary restrictions is obviously the primary reason, there's no denying that. However, to blame that many players departing on the budget and ignore all other variables is slightly naive in my opinion.

Putting budgetary restrictions aside, I'm more interested in focusing on the timing - i.e. when the contracts were put on the table. If they were literally left to the expiry date of the players' contracts then why is this? Hence why it's of my opinion that the constant changes at both board and managerial level in part contributed to their release. Yes it's tricky to offers contracts when the budget for the following year is unknown, but similarly it's tricky to offer contracts when you have no idea who the next manager is going to be, or who is going to sign off on said contracts. I don't know the full details so like I said it's just a thought. I personally just find it hard to believe the reason that all those players we let go for free was purely budgetary, when it actually would've been in the financial interest of the club in the long term to hang on to players such as Westwood, Gunnarsson etc. Hindsight is a wonderful thing though isn't it!

Many players run contracts down at many clubs. If anything I’d say the club has significantly improved in this area

Fleck was on a longer contract here than most and signed an extension but only wanted one year

bawtryneal · Apr 28, 2019

SkyBlueCRJ said:
I've heard the contractual offer for Fleck was double than what we offered in terms of wages. It's long gone from my memory what the quoted figure was but it was certainly a decent package, especially considering Sheffield United were a League One side at the time. But it would be interesting to note when in the season the deal was actually offered as like I said, we had a horrible habit of letting contracts run out and only offering extensions at the end of the season - yet both the club and the fanbase still somehow ended up being shocked that players such as Fleck etc. were pinched, despite the club who offering far more lucrative contracts. In form players will always receive a better offer somewhere else (unless you're a PSG etc.) so sometimes that's football, however I'm inclined to believe there's a little more to our bad luck than that during that period.

Speculating slightly as I haven't looked at the timeline in any detail admittedly but it wouldn't surprise me if the issues regarding running players contracts down during this period was at least partly due to the constant changes in management and at board level during that turbulent period. It's difficult to tie down players on long term contracts when there's little to no consistency at a club.

Don't be surprised if Fleck is back at Cov in the next 18 months.

Ricketts · Apr 28, 2019

SkyBlueCRJ said:
I've heard the contractual offer for Fleck was double than what we offered in terms of wages. It's long gone from my memory what the quoted figure was but it was certainly a decent package, especially considering Sheffield United were a League One side at the time. But it would be interesting to note when in the season the deal was actually offered as like I said, we had a horrible habit of letting contracts run out and only offering extensions at the end of the season - yet both the club and the fanbase still somehow ended up being shocked that players such as Fleck etc. were pinched, despite the club who offering far more lucrative contracts. In form players will always receive a better offer somewhere else (unless you're a PSG etc.) so sometimes that's football, however I'm inclined to believe there's a little more to our bad luck than that during that period.

Speculating slightly as I haven't looked at the timeline in any detail admittedly but it wouldn't surprise me if the issues regarding running players contracts down during this period was at least partly due to the constant changes in management and at board level during that turbulent period. It's difficult to tie down players on long term contracts when there's little to no consistency at a club.

Mowbray said at one of the sponsors days that Championship were offering four times what we could, despite an offer that would have made him our best paid player.

SkyBlueCRJ · Apr 28, 2019

Grendel said:
Many players run contracts down at many clubs. If anything I’d say the club has significantly improved in this area

Fleck was on a longer contract here than most and signed an extension but only wanted one year

I agree the club has definitely improved. In the last two years the only player of minor significance that we released was George Thomas. But even that could've been avoided couldn't it? 4 managers featuring throughout one season would've surely disrupted any potential contract discussions throughout the season, even before he received any significant interest. Sometimes like you say that's football and it would be wrong to generalise every CCFC departure on frequent manager and board level departures. But in my opinion it's certainly played it's part.

Grendel · Apr 28, 2019

SkyBlueCRJ said:
I agree the club has definitely improved. In the last two years the only player of minor significance that we released was George Thomas. But even that could've been avoided couldn't it? 4 managers featuring throughout one season would've surely disrupted any potential contract discussions throughout the season, even before he received any significant interest. Sometimes like you say that's football and it would be wrong to generalise every CCFC departure on frequent manager and board level departures. But in my opinion it's certainly played it's part.

We had a fee for Thomas and most fans wanted rid of him at the start of the last season

Skybluefaz · Apr 28, 2019

bawtryneal said:
Don't be surprised if Fleck is back at Cov in the next 18 months.

With your track record I'm sure this will come to fruition

SkyBlueCRJ · Apr 28, 2019

Grendel said:
We had a fee for Thomas and most fans wanted rid of him at the start of the last season

Last time I checked the fans didn't make the decisions on who's contract gets renewed. If they did I'm sure the likes of Wilson would've been shipped off long before he featured consistently for us.

We received compensation for Thomas didn't we, hardly would've been a significant fee.

johnwillomagic · Apr 28, 2019

Question for Grendel Baka or Chaplin? I think Baka has somemhing about him so his criticism is a tad harsh.

Also who is your best player Grendel - I think people just don't see you praise many players?
I think Hyam overall been our best player, Willis good season, Kelly been good too - mentions to Bright and Thomas too.

fernandopartridge · Apr 28, 2019

SkyBlueCRJ said:
I agree the club has definitely improved. In the last two years the only player of minor significance that we released was George Thomas. But even that could've been avoided couldn't it? 4 managers featuring throughout one season would've surely disrupted any potential contract discussions throughout the season, even before he received any significant interest. Sometimes like you say that's football and it would be wrong to generalise every CCFC departure on frequent manager and board level departures. But in my opinion it's certainly played it's part.

All of the examples you sight are players who left to go to a club in a much better position than CCFC, most probably on improved terms. The end.

Sky Blue Pete · Apr 28, 2019

johnwillomagic said:
Question for Grendel Baka or Chaplin? I think Baka has somemhing about him so his criticism is a tad harsh.

Also who is your best player Grendel - I think people just don't see you praise many players?
I think Hyam overall been our best player, Willis good season, Kelly been good too - mentions to Bright and Thomas too.

Dujon Sterling was his player of the season which I think is a good shout

SBAndy · Apr 28, 2019

fernandopartridge said:
All of the examples you sight are players who left to go to a club in a much better position than CCFC, most probably on improved terms. The end.

But the key is if we’re not putting an offer in place at least a year before their contract expires then it opens the door to losing them for nothing. If you offered a contract 12-18 months in advance and they turn it down there’s the opportunity for a sale to take a fee.

Grendel · Apr 28, 2019

SBAndy said:
But the key is if we’re not putting an offer in place at least a year before their contract expires then it opens the door to losing them for nothing. If you offered a contract 12-18 months in advance and they turn it down there’s the opportunity for a sale to take a fee.

But why would the club have done that with Thomas? He was not performing whatsoever - your argument is almost like orange Ken’s theory of renewing contracts to enhance asset value - we’ve over the years paid up lots of contracts to get rid of players we didn’t want

Skybluefaz · Apr 28, 2019

Burge the great shot stopper should have done better with the goal today. I'll be told he had no chance with a ball hit straight at him.

ps1948 · Apr 28, 2019

And another mistake by De Gea makes it look more likely that the swap deal for him and Burge will take place.........

COVKIDSNEVERQUIT · Apr 28, 2019

ps1948 said:
And another mistake by De Gea makes it look more likely that the swap deal for him and Burge will take place.........

De Gea is just trying to muster a move to Real Madrid.

Sky Blue Pete · Apr 28, 2019

Skybluefaz said:
Burge the great shot stopper should have done better with the goal today. I'll be told he had no chance with a ball hit straight at him.

Ffs!

Sky Blue Pete · Apr 28, 2019

ps1948 said:
And another mistake by De Gea makes it look more likely that the swap deal for him and Burge will take place.........

He he he

Skybluefaz · Apr 28, 2019

Sky Blue Pete said:
Ffs!

Ha ha. I accept people won't see it that way.

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