Grendel
Well-Known Member
I haven't seen Burge make great saves.
He's the worst goalkeeper we've had since 1982. If Ogrizovic is asked the question he should answer honestly - he's out his depth, get rid.
Cant help but think a change in the backroom staff is needed, for me the problem with Burge & the back 4 at the moment is from set pieces more than anything, this is an organizational issue and I think that has to go further than the players on the pitch.
I am sure Mowbray will be going to Oggy today to ask questions about their 1st yesterday.
Weve seen Burge make great saves but it is his organization this season and the back end on last season that worries me.
The trouble is a lot of fans have selective amnesia. Every man and his dog now claims Pressley was a poor manager, yet conveniently forget the huge amount of posts not that long ago, worrying about Pressley being poached or him 'doing' a Robbins and walking out. Remember the song 'there's only one Stephen Pressley' ringing round the ground every game, sung by thousands of fans, now you will struggle to find anyone who claims to ever have rated him.If Thorn had brought him in many would be claiming that Burge will one day go on to play for England.
Those who support Burge remind me of Thorn's admirers. Everyone can see they aren't up to the job, yet some cannot accept it, despite the negative impact it will have on the team.
Burge was fine again last night. He didn't make any costly mistakes. Comparing him to Bentley is unfair who will go on to play at the top level.
So how is it unfair to compare him to a keeper in the same league now, and has been in the same position for only one club, in addition to a loan to a lower league team, who is also the same age? Surely that's the ideal kind of player to compare him against? if we were comparing him to De Gea or Cech, that would be unfair, wouldn't it?
because fans are judging their keeper on the saves he had to make and Burge on the saves he didn't have to make. Burge wasn't responsible for either of our goals last night and did what he needed to do. Are you going to put forward an argument that their two strikers are better than Armstrong because he didn't score and they did?
Not at all! Armstrong was a marked man. Their strikers were not marked men. And there was two of them. We had one.
As for Burge not being at fault, do you not think he should have atleast tried to claim the first one? Even if it meant taking out Reda at the same time, I think he should have done better.
So how is it unfair to compare him to a keeper in the same league now, and has been in the same position for only one club, in addition to a loan to a lower league team, who is also the same age? Surely that's the ideal kind of player to compare him against? if we were comparing him to De Gea or Cech, that would be unfair, wouldn't it?
anybody notice when he caught the ball and their player challenged him (probably was a foul) burge decided to get up and shove him? If their player had gone down, Burge would have been off I think.
Another thing about their first goal when the corner was taken short our defence stayed rooted had they moved out as one it would have left Southend players stranded in off-side positions No blame whatsoever on our goalie and
None of the goals have been specifically his fault but most of the 6 were saveable or preventable in some way by the keeper and he has got nowhere near any of them.
You are right, none of the goals have been specifically his fault. But certain fans have been specifically criticising him for them, without any reference to who else might be responsible. Most of the six were saveable goals, by several players all doing their job better.
True but at some point if you want to get promoted your keeper will have to bail you out with a great performance or important saves and ours doesn't look capable of it.
They say a good keeper is worth 10 points over the season, how many points is Burge worth?
He bailed us out on at least two occasions last night, so perhaps he earned us a point.
True but at some point if you want to get promoted your keeper will have to bail you out with a great performance or important saves and ours doesn't look capable of it.
They say a good keeper is worth 10 points over the season, how many points is Burge worth?
None of the goals have been specifically his fault but most of the 6 were saveable or preventable in some way by the keeper and he has got nowhere near any of them.
Just looked at the Walsall goals again. The first one, a midfielder is allowed to run in space then pick a pass to a player unmarked running into the box who produces a good finish slotting the ball past Burge as he comes out. The striker was running fairly central so had plenty of goal to aim at. Not one to blame the keeper on. Poor marking in midfield and on the edge of our box.
The second goal, Willis backs off and backs off allowing their player to run into the box and allows him to put in a cross come shot that Burge saves. To me it is not catchable and he pushes it out. Their striker who Reda is stood next to reacts quicker than Reda and scores. Again not one to blame the keeper for.
Both goals are poor defending not poor keeping.
He makes Mortyn Hyldergaard look good.
Neither of the Walsall goals are specifically his fault but he could have done better with both of them and a lot of keepers at this level would have done better.
Your missing the point, what does Redas defensive mistake have to do with Burges ability as a goalkeeper? I'm not analysing why we lost at Walsall or why we didnt win last night, I'm looking at Burge and his performances since he started playing in the first team last season and he hasn't been good enough imo.
He can make routine saves which you would expect from any goalkeeper playing in the conference. Anything more testing than that and it normally results in a goal for the opposition.
You are missing the point, that the defending in front of him has been poor and I mean routine defending. Last night we let Southend in too many times too easily in the first half. They missed two very good chances and scored two due to poor defending. We made it difficult for ourselves. Things improved in the second half and I don't think they created a chance. But you can't handicap yourself by conceding two goals....defenders to blame for the last four we have conceded.
You are missing the point, that the defending in front of him has been poor and I mean routine defending. Last night we let Southend in too many times too easily in the first half. They missed two very good chances and scored two due to poor defending. We made it difficult for ourselves. Things improved in the second half and I don't think they created a chance. But you can't handicap yourself by conceding two goals....defenders to blame for the last four we have conceded.
I'm not missing the point at all, Burge is a poor keeper and that fact is irrelevant of the poor defending in front of him.
I still don't see how poor defending changes the fact he is a poor keeper, if I was blaming him for all the goals conceded then your points might have some relevance but I'm not doing that. In fact I've made a point of saying he hasn't been directly at fault for any of the goals.
You continue to miss the point.
This is ridiculous.
We have fans proclaiming woe is me due to not having finished in the top 6 in 45 years.
Then these same people are defending the worst keeper we have had in my living memory. No doubt these are the same who were clutching at straws and claimed that the manager makes no difference to a team when defending the hopeless Thorn.
If fans idolise the likes on Burge and Thon then it's hardly a surprise we find ourselves where we are.
I think Burge showed he is reluctant to come and claim the ball at times and that cost us for their headed goal. Other times he is brave and is really not so bad and capable of some very good stops. He almost saved the penalty by the way.
Reda and Rickets were somehow off their game but both scored!
We have to have a physical option up top against these types of teams.
I think time will show Southend will get plenty of draws and this will seem a good point.
Phil Brown knew what he was doing.
Highlighted bit is spot one. He just doesn't instill confidence in the back four and doesn't show any sort of command of his area. This in turn gives the back four the jitters.
We need someone more experienced who can command his box.
Ricketts was quick to take the blame on behalf of the defense for the goal on CWR after the game. Don't remember his exact words but it was something along the lines of they didn't come of the line quick enough so didn't leave the room for Burge to come and take the ball.
He might become a good keeper in time perhaps, but for now I think we need a strong, commanding keeper at the helm.
Goals from CREWE first You could say his positioning isn't the best but it is a very good shot from range and difficult for any keeper. More a one off goal than the fault of the keeper or the defence.
their second goal the way the ball was put in over our central defenders it was not there for Burge to come and collect. Once their attacker out muscles our fullback he is one on one with the keeper. In that situation you would back the attacker every time.
Again I am not saying Burge is a great keeper, but to say the last six were saveable and suggest he is more at fault than some of the defending in front of him is very wide of the mark in my opinion.
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