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kmj5000 · Aug 15, 2013

slyblue57 said:
NOPM is deffinately the main reason for this, how can it not be ?
I do nt see how you can nt see that SiSued !
No fans no money = no players worth a fee.
The forth coming sales are down to NOPM.
Oh and no I do nt support Sisu. I haven nt renewed my season ticket,
won nt be going to Northampton, and bought my tickets for Shresbury from their
website.
I ve accepted NOPM will just mean a poor team made up of young kids but hey ho
Pusb

It was SISU's choice to move from the Ricoh. They have had many invitations to come and talk about coming back to the Ricoh where they could expect crowds in excess of 10k but Fisher wants his 10 points back first!

Fisher was warned many months back that fans wouldn't go to a groundshare but he wouldn't listen saying that SISU were happy to fund the losses.

They brought NOPM on themselves and it's their choice to continue to ignore the wishes of 95%+ of the fans.

They would prefer to waste money on the substantial legal fees to support the hopeless Judicial Review appeal than invest in the team!

stupot07 · Aug 15, 2013

italiahorse said:
After getting rid of a load of better players including McGoldrick in his case. Stupid comment.

Getting rid of mcgoldrick? He wasn't even our player.

Mary_Mungo_Midge · Aug 15, 2013

stupot07 said:
Surely NOPM is partly to blame?

I thought Fisher told the FL that SISU were prepared to fund any shortfall bought about by their decision to move? Listening to him this week, he insinuated that included depressed revenues. Is that not the case then?

Manchester_sky_blue · Aug 15, 2013

Mary_Mungo_Midge said:
I thought Fisher told the FL that SISU were prepared to fund any shortfall bought about by their decision to move? Listening to him this week, he insinuated that included depressed revenues. Is that not the case then?

i think its becoming ever more apparent that they don't actually have a pot in which to piddle in..........

Ashdown1 · Aug 15, 2013

Just another opportunity for SISU to pull another leg off the CCFC spider to antagonise the fans. After the paltry gate at Sixfields Fishers response as usual is spiteful. He wouldn't have given a shiny shite about the result, only the determination of the majority of City fans to stick two fingers up to his immoral agenda !! As we all should know, they will all be up for sale when it suits the asset strippers !

RegTheDonk · Aug 15, 2013

Stafford_SkBlue said:
Clarke clearly an investment by sisu last Jan.
If driven out from the club by lack of support, will the same supporters be moaning that sisu are not investing.

Clarke was an attempt to appease the fans because they wouldn't stump up the money for McG. Its fortunate that while not as prolific, hes' fitting in ok.

GaryPendrysEyes · Aug 15, 2013

True or not true story, the excuses are already in place...
Be ready my friends, the new Sisu apologist line....

It used to always be ACLs fault
Now it will always be the fans fault (NOPM is their code for that)
It is never Sisu's fault, although last time I looked they were the owners responsible for managing the well being of this club on and off the pitch.

The Prefect · Aug 15, 2013

skybluebal said:
The club knew what they were doing and gambled on us to follow them blindly. They would have made these reductions in any case, I believe, so I don't think NOPM was the key driver.

However, we can't have our cake and eat it! NOPM WILL have an impact - isn't that what the point is? As I have said before, it's going to get much worse before it gets better. That's what the vast majority of fans have signed up to.

This is a great summary.

SISU were told and saw the results of numerous surveys that they would lose 95% of season ticket holders if they played outside Coventry. They knew this BEFORE they agreed the ground share at Sixfields. Using the maths, if 95% of your loyal customers won't go then you'll lose 95% of casual customers. Bristol City took 1200 to the last home game leaving a home crowd of 1000. With free tickets being given away paying home supporters were about 800. Last season we averaged about 10,000 home supporters a game which means the loss the club have lost about 92% of home support based on the (usually well attended) first game. If away support stays the same then they have lost about 80% of gate revenue.

When the fans told the club that 95% wouldn't go it's no surprise that they have lost about 92% of home support. At 40p per mile travel cost to home games is over £600 a year. Given the circumstances it just too much to ask of fans.

Anyone in business knows that when you alienate 95% of your regular income you're going to be in very serious trouble. Fisher suggested they have budgeted on a low of 3500 fans and a high of 7000 if they play well. Obviously their budget is way off base which will lead us to being in a permanent transfer embargo (we're in one now by all accounts). They now have to sell players or get rid to save wages.

SISU moved to Sixfields in FULL KNOWLEDGE that they would lose at least 90% of home support. The fans told them... So NOPM is in no way responsible for the club's financial mess following the move to Sixfields. If anything it would have a very tiny impact overall when the move is responsible for an 80% fall in gate revenue.

Ashdown1 · Aug 15, 2013

Sub said:
it has been said before by other people, joy seppalla will destroy this club if she does not get her own way, thats the kind of person she is. The club will be killed off if she does not get the ricoh and she does not care how she gets her hands on the ricoh. Personally i think the club is finished, selling players and getting us relegated is what is going to happen and then when we are even lower in the divisions she will eventually toss the club aside her past history shows what she is like and expecting anything else but the worse case for CCFC is foolish.

Fuck the bitch, don't give in to this medieval type bullying.

stupot07 · Aug 15, 2013

Mary_Mungo_Midge said:
I thought Fisher told the FL that SISU were prepared to fund any shortfall bought about by their decision to move? Listening to him this week, he insinuated that included depressed revenues. Is that not the case then?

So why bother with NOPM?

I'm sure sisu will fund shortfall, but that if a lower budget more in line with the league one average than at present. Last season ours was over £4m, promoted Yeovil's was £700k. Do you not think that they will not look to reduce costs so that shortfall is minimised?

RoboCCFC90 · Aug 15, 2013

kmj5000 said:
It was SISU's choice to move from the Ricoh. They have had many invitations to come and talk about coming back to the Ricoh where they could expect crowds in excess of 10k but Fisher wants his 10 points back first!

Fisher was warned many months back that fans wouldn't go to a groundshare but he wouldn't listen saying that SISU were happy to fund the losses.

They brought NOPM on themselves and it's their choice to continue to ignore the wishes of 95%+ of the fans.

Without looking at this in a biased way, what was the negotiations regarding then when ACL offered that ten year deal? It never suited SISU like all the negotitations beforehand, I am starting to believe what Tim Fisher (Yeah bare with me a sec, before you all jump the gun) said at the forums regarding a deal struck between SISU and ACL regarding a deal to purchase into the Higgs Stake but was veoted by the Council to stop a deal from happening because of the stake. Which has been consistently the one thing ACL won't negotiate with. It's all good them dropping the rent down from sum to sum however, in essence what SISU want is to be able to have a partial stake or full ownership of a ground which they can benefit from. This isn't an unreasonable request.

They didn't bring NOPM on themselves, ACL have played blinder in my opinion by not offering a stake but a deal which seems beneficial in it's entireity for SISU not to take the club to Northampton and knowning exactly what SISU want ACL have allowed SISU to make their own decisions and walk away and take all the blame for not accepting a deal which everyone see's as fantastic, but with no benefits to that of SISU or CCFC.

stupot07 · Aug 15, 2013

GaryPendrysEyes said:
True or not true story, the excuses are already in place...
Be ready my friends, the new Sisu apologist line....

It used to always be ACLs fault
Now it will always be the fans fault (NOPM is their code for that)
It is never Sisu's fault, although last time I looked they were the owners responsible for managing the well being of this club on and off the pitch.

I said partly to blame, and I am a NOPMer.

Mary_Mungo_Midge · Aug 15, 2013

stupot07 said:
So why bother with NOPM?

I'm sure sisu will fund shortfall, but that if a lower budget more in line with the league one average than at present. Last season ours was over £4m, promoted Yeovil's was £700k. Do you not think that they will not look to reduce costs so that shortfall is minimised?

That is all about certain people orchestrating their stance. There was always going to be lost fans by Fisher taking this stance. He, or you, can't criticise it. However, he did assert that SISU were aware of this, and were prepared to fund the shortfall.

Are you now saying they'll fund a lower value than before? That appears to make a mockery of Fisher's claims

stupot07 · Aug 15, 2013

Mary_Mungo_Midge said:
That is all about certain people orchestrating their stance. There was always going to be lost fans by Fisher taking this stance. He, or you, can't criticise it. However, he did assert that SISU were aware of this, and were prepared to fund the shortfall.

Are you now saying they'll fund a lower value than before? That appears to make a mockery of Fisher's claims

No, I'm saying we were always going to reduce the wage bill.

The NOPM stance was to withhold revenue and starve ccfc of income....what do people expect?

Mary_Mungo_Midge · Aug 15, 2013

RoboCCFC90 said:
Without looking at this in a biased way, what was the negotiations regarding then when ACL offered that ten year deal? It never suited SISU like all the negotitations beforehand, I am starting to believe what Tim Fisher (Yeah bare with me a sec, before you all jump the gun) said at the forums regarding a deal struck between SISU and ACL regarding a deal to purchase into the Higgs Stake but was veoted by the Council to stop a deal from happening because of the stake. Which has been consistently the one thing ACL won't negotiate with. It's all good them dropping the rent down from sum to sum however, in essence what SISU want is to be able to have a partial stake or full ownership of a ground which they can benefit from. This isn't an unreasonable request.

They didn't bring NOPM on themselves, ACL have played blinder in my opinion by not offering a stake but a deal which seems beneficial in it's entireity for SISU not to take the club to Northampton and knowning exactly what SISU want ACL have allowed SISU to make their own decisions and walk away and take all the blame for not accepting a deal which everyone see's as fantastic, but with no benefits to that of SISU or CCFC.

Ha ha. The whole basis of that point seemed to be based on something Fisher said at a forum. And you believed him verbatim.

Did your parents read you The Gingerbread Man as a kid?

Macca · Aug 15, 2013

Seems the SISU propaganda machine is already getting to some. It's clever really. Create a shit situation that you know fans will react badly to then blame them for not being able to keep players due to falling numbers. Whilst created fan division along the way. Emotional blackmail.
Why couldn't they have played their playground games elsewhere. God did Southampton dodge a bullet

valiant15 · Aug 15, 2013

What difference does it make? Sisu always have and always will sell every player that can command a transfer fee. I couldn't give a fuck if the 3 players mentioned go,if it speeds up the departure of these wankers then great. I see the week element of our support are blaming the nopm boys/girls,well tough shit appologists,its going to get a hell of a lot worse before it gets better. Its all our,acl's and the council's fault though isn't it? Nothing to do with your idols from sisu??

italiahorse · Aug 15, 2013

stupot07 said:
Getting rid of mcgoldrick? He wasn't even our player.

He could have been if they had put up the money. Subject to having submitted their accounts and self inflicted transfer embargo.

stupot07 · Aug 15, 2013

valiant15 said:
What difference does it make? Sisu always have and always will sell every player that can command a transfer fee. I couldn't give a fuck if the 3 players mentioned go,if it speeds up the departure of these wankers then great. I see the week element of our support are blaming the nopm boys/girls,well tough shit appologists,its going to get a hell of a lot worse before it gets better. Its all our,acl's and the council's fault though isn't it? Nothing to do with your idols from sisu??

As have every owner/board we have had.....selling better players isn't a new phenomenon that's only occurred under sisu....

Mary_Mungo_Midge · Aug 15, 2013

stupot07 said:
No, I'm saying we were always going to reduce the wage bill.

The NOPM stance was to withhold revenue and starve ccfc of income....what do people expect?

No. NOPM is all about people withdrawing their financial support of an owner they despise. Fisher stated he was aware of the negative financial result of moving, and that SISU were prepared to fund it; and assured the FL of such.

If you're now saying that we need to sell to balance a depressed gate, surely - again - that makes a mockery of Fisher's previous statements

RoboCCFC90 · Aug 15, 2013

Mary_Mungo_Midge said:
Ha ha. The whole basis of that point seemed to be based on something Fisher said at a forum. And you believed him verbatim.

Did your parents read you The Gingerbread Man as a kid?

It's all on the basis of what Fisher said however it's all starting to tie in pretty well. A reason ACL and the Council don't want to get into bed with SISU regarding the Arena is understandable, they don't trust them and that's fine I don't trust them either. However there just as bad as SISU in this whole mess and aone of the reasons we have had to move to Northampton.

No I used to spend my night's watching VHS Video's of classic City games, but nevermind at least my parents taught me respect something which I see hasn't filtered through to yourself yet.

I hate councils.

Mary_Mungo_Midge · Aug 15, 2013

RoboCCFC90 said:
It's all on the basis of what Fisher said however it's all starting to tie in pretty well. A reason ACL and the Council don't want to get into bed with SISU regarding the Arena is understandable, they don't trust them and that's fine I don't trust them either. However there just as bad as SISU in this whole mess and aone of the reasons we have had to move to Northampton.

No I used to spend my night's watching VHS Video's of classic City games, but nevermind at least my parents taught me respect something which I see hasn't filtered through to yourself yet.

I hate councils.

Did you read last week's JR comments? How can you still place faith in any fable Fisher spins?

His story is all 'starting to tie in pretty well'? Hell's teeth. The definition of gullibility has just - this very morning - been redefined

valiant15 · Aug 15, 2013

Yes weve always sold players,but not every single one of them.

italiahorse · Aug 15, 2013

stupot07 said:
As have every owner/board we have had.....selling better players isn't a new phenomenon that's only occurred under sisu....

Under the old regimes we bought them in cheap or bought them through the academy and then sold at a profit.

These guys bring in at high wages and little cost and then sell when we need them most.
We spent 25 years in top class football doing this. It's called good management.
These guys couldn't manage a piss up in a brewery.
They are only interested in dumping there debt in us and going through the motions of just doing the bare minimum.
Which division we are in does not matter.
They love conflict, be it other businesses, Associations, Tax officials, administrators and in our case the fans.
That smug bastard sitting at the top table in forums was loving every minute as we squirmed under his "they can't do fukc all and I'm loving it"

ecky · Aug 15, 2013

Sisu are surviving like a tick feeding off the blood of their victim......

Sad to say the victim ccfc has not got a lot of blood left!

RoboCCFC90 · Aug 15, 2013

Mary_Mungo_Midge said:
Did you read last week's JR comments? How can you still place faith in any fable Fisher spins?

His story is all 'starting to tie in pretty well'? Hell's teeth. The definition of gullibility has just - this very morning - been redefined

Really? So can you explain to me why SISU didn't accept the latest deal on offer from ACL?

ccfc_Tom · Aug 15, 2013

Dunno how NOPM can be having an effect after 1 home match? Selling clarke would be no different to virtually every season sisu have been here where they sell our best players...

sky blue john · Aug 15, 2013

RoboCCFC90 said:
Without looking at this in a biased way, what was the negotiations regarding then when ACL offered that ten year deal? It never suited SISU like all the negotitations beforehand, I am starting to believe what Tim Fisher (Yeah bare with me a sec, before you all jump the gun) said at the forums regarding a deal struck between SISU and ACL regarding a deal to purchase into the Higgs Stake but was veoted by the Council to stop a deal from happening because of the stake. Which has been consistently the one thing ACL won't negotiate with. It's all good them dropping the rent down from sum to sum however, in essence what SISU want is to be able to have a partial stake or full ownership of a ground which they can benefit from. This isn't an unreasonable request.

They didn't bring NOPM on themselves, ACL have played blinder in my opinion by not offering a stake but a deal which seems beneficial in it's entireity for SISU not to take the club to Northampton and knowning exactly what SISU want ACL have allowed SISU to make their own decisions and walk away and take all the blame for not accepting a deal which everyone see's as fantastic, but with no benefits to that of SISU or CCFC.

Robo just giving you a history lesson because your a bit skewed with the course of events Regarding Sisu purchase of Alan Higgs share !!!!
Sisu agreed a deal with Highs trust for somewhere in the region of 4 million !!!
Sisu pulled out of this deal with fisher claiming it was not worth it because they would not get any extra revenue !!
It never got as far as the council having the opportunity to veto !!!
But yes later further down the line councillor mutton did say hell will freeze over before Sisu get their hands on the stadium but i think this was more related to the council owned freehold !!!!

Sisued · Aug 15, 2013

skybluebal said:
The club knew what they were doing and gambled on us to follow them blindly. They would have made these reductions in any case, I believe, so I don't think NOPM was the key driver.

However, we can't have our cake and eat it! NOPM WILL have an impact - isn't that what the point is? As I have said before, it's going to get much worse before it gets better. That's what the vast majority of fans have signed up to.

SISU will of course spin everything to their own benefit - do we expect anything else?

Exactly.
NOPM hasnt had a chance to impact the club yet. It will but players being available at the moment is purely down to the club looking to claw back some cash. SISU will not invest in players

Roger Mellie · Aug 15, 2013

I think playing 'home' games 40 miles away, and moving fixtures to Sundays and Thursday evenings pretty much does the job of NOPM for itself, regardless of your personal standpoint! Bit much to consider this is in any way the fault of the fans??

Mary_Mungo_Midge · Aug 15, 2013

RoboCCFC90 said:
Really? So can you explain to me why SISU didn't accept the latest deal on offer from ACL?

Because they don't want a deal with ACL. They want to break ACL. The rent, the F&B's, the Judicial Review, and now the move to Northampton. All with one motive.

And you might say that's okay. Or that's business. It's not. The move to Northampton will kill squad expenditure for seasons to come, thanks to FFP - threatening another relegation; and with up to 5 seasons out of the City, there's a chance of a lost generation of City fan

sky blue john · Aug 15, 2013

stupot07 said:
As have every owner/board we have had.....selling better players isn't a new phenomenon that's only occurred under sisu....

No not a new phenomenon but definitely new in terms of the lower quality of players we are having to sell
as we drop down the divisions !!!!
When will you wake up when ccfc is playing non league football ?

sotv1987 · Aug 15, 2013

ccfc_Tom said:
Dunno how NOPM can be having an effect after 1 home match? Selling clarke would be no different to virtually every season sisu have been here where they sell our best players...

Quite agree with you Tom, SISU have sold everything within their reach since taking over and also turning down big name potential signings due to the complete lack of commitment to the cause, yet we were regularly getting crowds of 10 to 15 thousand, so can't see why the NOPM is blamed for this, i think SISU are massively to blame, however, ACL and CCC are also to shoulder some of the blame!!

Mary_Mungo_Midge · Aug 15, 2013

sotv1987 said:
Quite agree with you Tom, SISU have sold everything within their reach since taking over and also turning down big name potential signings due to the complete lack of commitment to the cause, yet we were regularly getting crowds of 10 to 15 thousand, so can't see why the NOPM is blamed for this, i think SISU are massively to blame, however, ACL and CCC are also to shoulder some of the blame!!

On your last point, can I play Devil's Advocate and ask why? Please don't tell me the high rent or F&B's as I don't think SISU would have settled for any deal. They want the Ricoh. Nothing less.

And onto that point, beyond Fisher's words, what proof do you have they have ever been prepared to negotiate candidly on buying it?

stupot07 · Aug 15, 2013

italiahorse said:
Under the old regimes we bought them in cheap or bought them through the academy and then sold at a profit.

These guys bring in at high wages and little cost and then sell when we need them most.
We spent 25 years in top class football doing this. It's called good management.
These guys couldn't manage a piss up in a brewery.
They are only interested in dumping there debt in us and going through the motions of just doing the bare minimum.
Which division we are in does not matter.
They love conflict, be it other businesses, Associations, Tax officials, administrators and in our case the fans.
That smug bastard sitting at the top table in forums was loving every minute as we squirmed under his "they can't do fukc all and I'm loving it"

So why did we get relegated £60m in debt and unable to build the Ricoh with this so called 'Good Management'?

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