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dongonzalos

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No sure why
But he doesn't seem to have followed this up.........


Should the council sell the Ricoh Arena to Sisu so Sky Blues can play in Coventry?
YES
37%
NO
63%
 

shmmeee

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The headline will be "Almost 40% of fans agree with me!"
 

shmmeee

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Shows what a stupid fanbase we have

Ah, the old "everyone who disagrees with me is an idiot" routine. When you start thinking you're the only one in the right, it's a guarantee you're wrong.
 

stupot07

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How many voted?


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dongonzalos

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Email Les

He has not up dated it yet so I am sure he will know.

Do you think only the no people are more likely to vote?
 

Grendel

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Email Les

He has not up dated it yet so I am sure he will know.

Do you think only the no people are more likely to vote?

I would say only wums Leicester fans or people with half a brain would say no and wish the club stay in Northampton before being wound up - wouldn't you?
 

letsallsingtogether

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Too be fair who cares what you say or think. we all knew what the result would be as Sisu are just hated so much now there is no way forward for them for a lot of fans.
They have isolated a lot of fans by not listening or giving a toss. Just listening to Joys interview you could tell what sort of person she is "it's my way or no way"! sorry but I for one cannot stomach people like that gave up a good job because my manager was of the same mould, and never regretted it.

I would say only wums Leicester fans or the mentally retarded would say no and wish the club stay in Northampton before being wound up - wouldn't you?
 

shmmeee

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I would say only wums Leicester fans or the mentally retarded would say no and wish the club stay in Northampton before being wound up - wouldn't you?

But what about the new stadium? Surely that would happen and we'll be in the promised land before long should the Ricoh not be sold?
 

Grendel

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Too be fair who cares what you say or think. we all knew what the result would be as Sisu are just hated so much now there is no way forward for them for a lot of fans.
They have isolated a lot of fans by not listening or giving a toss. Just listening to Joys interview you could tell what sort of person she is "it's my way or no way"! sorry but I for one cannot stomach people like that gave up a good job because my manager was of the same mould, and never regretted it.

So if they stay in charge for the medium term would you rather the club ceased to exist?
 

Grendel

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But what about the new stadium? Surely that would happen and we'll be in the promised land before long should the Ricoh not be sold?

Ask Letsalltalkbollocks -- he says if the club isnt in the Ricoh he won't go. He says if SISU stay in charge and get the Ricoh he won't go. Not much of a fan is he?
 

bigfatronssba

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In the interest of fairness, when will we have the 'should sisu accept a short term rent deal so Ccfc can return to the Ricoh' poll?
 

shmmeee

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Ask Letsalltalkbollocks -- he says if the club isnt in the Ricoh he won't go. He says if SISU stay in charge and get the Ricoh he won't go. Not much of a fan is he?

Never really been one for ranking fans personally, but knock yourself out if that's what you like. Let me know the final positions won't you?
 

coop

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its simple we dont play in cov anymore with less than 1500 fans attending home(away)games we are in league 1 in admin still in x amount of debt even after admin i wonder whos fault it is.
 

bigfatronssba

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letsallsingtogether

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Not bothered who is in charge as long as everything is done fair and above board and in Coventry. But so far Sisu haven't done anything to show me this? To be honest if they stay in Northampton much longer I am afraid I will walk away. If that makes me a bad supporter after 40 years then a bad supporter I am. I have missed just a handful of games in all those years so a sad thing for me to say. Oh and as for your Leicester comment sorry to inform you I work there and all the ones I have spoken to are on our side.
So if they stay in charge for the medium term would you rather the club ceased to exist?
 

letsallsingtogether

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Why if it was worded ccfc it is still sisu who would have owned it as they own ccfc.
I mean in the Telegraph.

The poll about letting sisu buy the ground was one of the most biasedly worded polls I've ever seen from a supossedly impartial viewpoint.
 

bigfatronssba

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Why if it was worded ccfc it is still sisu who would have owned it as they own ccfc.

The question was should the council sell to sisu in order for Ccfc to be able to return to Coventry.

That implies its the only option for the club to return, which we all know isn't.
 

letsallsingtogether

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So what are the other options? "We buy or don't return" words from our princess Joy

The question was should the council sell to sisu in order for Ccfc to be able to return to Coventry.

That implies its the only option for the club to return, which we all know isn't.
 

stupot07

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Have Sisu asked for one?

Yes, before administration.

24: Did CCFC inform ACL that it intends to move to a new built ground in South Warwickshire

ACL: Yes, Chris West and Paul Harris were advised post 29 January 2013 meeting during a follow up discussion with Tim Fisher, Mark Labovitch and John Clarke, that the Club wanted a three year run off period. This was totally rejected by the ACL representatives. There were no details provided of the location other than “South Warwickshire”, and that it would potentially take three years.


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Sky Blues

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Yes, before administration.

24: Did CCFC inform ACL that it intends to move to a new built ground in South Warwickshire

ACL: Yes, Chris West and Paul Harris were advised post 29 January 2013 meeting during a follow up discussion with Tim Fisher, Mark Labovitch and John Clarke, that the Club wanted a three year run off period. This was totally rejected by the ACL representatives. There were no details provided of the location other than “South Warwickshire”, and that it would potentially take three years.

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Fair enough, yes, it does appear Sisu asked for a short-term rent deal before CCFC Ltd went into administration - albeit at a time when relations were very bad between the two sides. Therefore, if they Sisu still want a short-term rental deal for the Ricoh I'm sure Otium will be asking for one at the earliest possible opportunity...
 

stupot07

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Fair enough, yes, it does appear Sisu asked for a short-term rent deal before CCFC Ltd went into administration - albeit at a time when relations were very bad between the two sides. Therefore, if they Sisu still want a short-term rental deal for the Ricoh I'm sure Otium will be asking for one at the earliest possible opportunity...

Or they assume that 1 still isn't on the table. Why don't ACL approach them and say they have changed their mind and they will accept a short term deal?


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bigfatronssba

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Or they assume that 1 still isn't on the table. Why don't ACL approach them and say they have changed their mind and they will accept a short term deal?


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I'm actually in agreement with you on that. Acl should say to them we will match the terms currently in place with Ntfc.

It would be very embarrassing for sisu to refuse that.
 

Sky Blues

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Or they assume that 1 still isn't on the table. Why don't ACL approach them and say they have changed their mind and they will accept a short term deal?

And maybe ACL are taking Sisu at their word when they say they have "moved on" and JS says "we buy or don't return"? After all, as Mr Fisher said, they don't bluster, don't posture etc...
We could keep on making excuses for both sides all night. The point I was making was either side could make the first move, but neither side has.
 

duffer

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The question was should the council sell to sisu in order for Ccfc to be able to return to Coventry.

That implies its the only option for the club to return, which we all know isn't.

Yep, have to agree. Almost by definition a leading question.

It would be nice if both sides talked, but at the moment there doesn't seem that there's much to talk about. SISU have moved from the rent not being a problem, to the rent's too much, to needing both a low rent and a share of revenue, to needing the freehold.

SISU (via Les Reid's analysis) seem to admit that a new 12,000 seater stadium outside the city will cost in the region of £25m, but seemingly expect to pick up ACL and a 32,000 seater stadium in the City for something like £7m. Their negotiation strategy seems akin to a kidnap demand - if there's no deal on the freehold then the club never returns, even if it actually costs them more to stay in Northampton than it would to be back at the Ricoh (presuming a ten year, £150k rent deal).

I'm all for pragmatism when it comes to getting the best deal for Coventry City Council and the taxpayers here, SISU having clearly made their decision under what terms they will return.

I think the smart approach is actually to wait and see how willing SISU are to keep funding these losses, or whether they will actually return to the table. If nothing changes in a year or two, and if the Ricoh really is making a loss, then I'd back selling it. But only to the highest bidder, and with no restrictions on what could be done to the site (including redevelopment as something other than a football stadium). If SISU are the best bidder at that point, then even though it pains me to say it, so be it, sell it to them. But let the market decide the value.

SISU through their PR are trying to create pressure on the council to sell them the Ricoh hugely under-value (which of course has been their aim for a long time now, imho). I'm glad that most people seem to have seen through it.
 

Gary.j

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So if they stay in charge for the medium term would you rather the club ceased to exist?

Didn't the FL say the club ceased to exist in August, when they they transferred the Golden Share?

But, if you are asking would liquidating the club be preferable to several years with the current board then, yes, I would take a quick death. At least we could get on with the rebuilding process, and maybe all being in it together may help heal the fan-base divide!
 

stupot07

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Didn't the FL say the club ceased to exist in August, when they they transferred the Golden Share?

But, if you are asking would liquidating the club be preferable to several years with the current board then, yes, I would take a quick death. At least we could get on with the rebuilding process, and maybe all being in it together may help heal the fan-base divide!

No, the club didn't cease to exist, it said it would've have ceased to exist had they not acted quickly and awarded otium the golden share
 

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