LGBTQ City Fans (1 Viewer)

The Reverend Skyblue · Oct 17, 2016

KG7 said:
This would be an ideal scenario Reverend. However, having spent a reasonable amount of time with the LGBTQ community they unfortunately don't consider this to be PC gone mad and consider lad culture and homophobia in football to be a real problem.

Anyhow, I didn't really mean for this to be a debate on the pros and cons of it, I am just looking to connect.

If I was gay,which I'm not, or any other of the aforementioned the last thing I would do would be to be a willing member of a group.
I'm bald , so should I start a skyblue bald club so people understand why I haven't a hair on my head.
The people who are bigots and who abuse these people won't stop suddenly if they are part of some group and certainly will not go out there way to try and understand why someone is gay for example.
Just get on with life and live it,ignore the bigots and show your better than them by doing so.
Just my opinion

Samo · Oct 17, 2016

skybluejelly said:
Kg57 states he is not gay so why is he worrying that they are represented...this is the same political correctness as when councils say Muslims are offended by Christmas when they themselves have not complained..In a world of so called inclusiveness why have a separate group to isolate yourself..

What a bullshit argument! If I'm straight I can't be offended homophobia? Jesus H Christ.

Samo · Oct 17, 2016

The Reverend Skyblue said:
If I was gay,which I'm not, or any other of the aforementioned the last thing I would do would be to be a willing member of a group.
I'm bald , so should I start a skyblue bald club so people understand why I haven't a hair on my head.
The people who are bigots and who abuse these people won't stop suddenly if they are part of some group and certainly will not go out there way to try and understand why someone is gay for example.
Just get on with life and live it,ignore the bigots and show your better than them by doing so.
Just my opinion

But can you not see that it's about people finding common ground and thus felling more comfortable?

The Reverend Skyblue · Oct 17, 2016

Samo said:
But can you not see that it's about people finding common ground and thus felling more comfortable?

I may have misunderstood the intention then.
So it's to bring together these groups to build a bigger community and understanding between each other.
I took it differently

Wyken Sky Blue · Oct 18, 2016

KG7 said:
Do we have any LGBTQ fans on here?

I'm interested in talking with people about potentially setting up an LGBTQ fan group as I think it is important that a club such as ours with such a progressive history can be a leading light in this area.

I would also love to hear about people's experiences as an LGBTQ supporter in a world where lad culture is so prevalent.

Happy to receive a PM from you as I understand this is a sensitive subject. It goes without saying that any conversations between us will stay between us.

I should also point out that I am NOT LGBTQ but am interested in learning more about people's experiences and helping to promote LGBTQ awareness in an arena that badly needs and deserves it.

Try Bruce the Boot.

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smouch1975 · Oct 18, 2016

These things do typically start as a minority group. They are however not segregated but acknowledged and supported by the greater community.

It's the acknowledgement and support which informs the bigot thier behaviour/attitude is no longer acceptable.

Ask the club to place some sort of supporting banner at the foot of its website

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SBT · Oct 18, 2016

Usually the case that the people who are so opposed to minority groups trying to get together are the people with the least idea of what purpose these groups actually serve. The way some people are talking about it makes it sound like militant gays are trying to colonize the North Stand.

clint van damme · Oct 18, 2016

Nick said:
I agree about that.

Does this still happen in this day and age at a football match? (I might be being naive).

I know there have been chants when an opposition fan has been wearing pink and giving it loads also. The old "Whos the gayboy in the pink" and stuff like that but only a couple of times in how many years?

How does sexuality even come into it when going to watch a football match? I couldn't tell you whether the blokes who sit near me are gay or straight, I don't pay too much attention and couldn't really care.

but if you were gay and heard that it might make you feel uncomfortable even if it wasn't directed at you.

If it was a racist chant would you say it's only a couple of times in how many years?
It's not an issue I really think about to be honest but if gay supporters want to form a group I don't see the harm and don't see it as divisive.

Deleted member 2477 · Oct 18, 2016

rob9872 said:
A bit harsh

BTW note to the op - download grinder and sit on the half way line to catch all

Pmsl

mrtrench · Oct 18, 2016

I support this idea; meeting up and socialising with people similar to yourself is a good social interaction if nothing else. Certainly, people pointing out that it shouldn't be necessary in modern Britain as a support tool are correct - but if gay people feel it is necessary then they know best. If it only helps one person who is facing difficulties it would be worth it.

superskyblue · Oct 18, 2016

I think this is a great idea. Only on Saturday I was sat in the stand at Charlton and there was a torrent of homophobic abuse coming out of the blokes sat near me. Things like 'The Charlton goalkeeper fucks the ref' calling Burge a 'fucking faggot' and so on. Football doesn't feel particularly inclusive when it comes to sexuality (or gender for that matter) so anything that might help make LGBT supporters feel more welcome would be brilliant. Nice one KG7!

shelby76 · Oct 18, 2016

Most prem clubs have a gay section in there matchday programs.

ajsccfc · Oct 18, 2016

Groups like this aren't created to separate or fence anyone off or some right-on PC brigade blah blah, they're to help bring in people who may otherwise feel ostracised and let them know that a sport with a very sketchy past (and present) of prejudice can be for them.

clint van damme · Oct 18, 2016

superskyblue said:
I think this is a great idea. Only on Saturday I was sat in the stand at Charlton and there was a torrent of homophobic abuse coming out of the blokes sat near me. Things like 'The Charlton goalkeeper fucks the ref' calling Burge a 'fucking faggot' and so on. Football doesn't feel particularly inclusive when it comes to sexuality (or gender for that matter) so anything that might help make LGBT supporters feel more welcome would be brilliant. Nice one KG7!

Not only is he a homophobe, his patter is fucking dreadful.

Skyblueweeman · Oct 18, 2016

Q stands for queer...isn't that supposed to be a derogatory term for that community?

ajsccfc · Oct 18, 2016

It was at one point, but it's been 'reclaimed' so it's lost any of the power it may have had as an insult.

eastwoodsdustman · Oct 18, 2016

superskyblue said:
I think this is a great idea. Only on Saturday I was sat in the stand at Charlton and there was a torrent of homophobic abuse coming out of the blokes sat near me. Things like 'The Charlton goalkeeper fucks the ref' calling Burge a 'fucking faggot' and so on. Football doesn't feel particularly inclusive when it comes to sexuality (or gender for that matter) so anything that might help make LGBT supporters feel more welcome would be brilliant. Nice one KG7!

Were you in the front tier to the right of the goal? If so he was near me too. Kept dropping the C bomb with it and the odd racist comment to boot. A total prick who took his teenage daughter to witness his performance. A sad sad excuse of a man.

stupot07 · Oct 18, 2016

I think this is a great idea Kg, good luck with it.

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superskyblue · Oct 18, 2016

clint van damme said:
Not only is he a homophobe, his patter is fucking dreadful.

Ha, exactly my thoughts!

superskyblue · Oct 18, 2016

eastwoodsdustman said:
Were you in the front tier to the right of the goal? If so he was near me too. Kept dropping the C bomb with it and the odd racist comment to boot. A total prick who took his teenage daughter to witness his performance. A sad sad excuse of a man.

I was. I didn't pay too much attention to him but I thought he was with a few other 50+ blokes. Either way, you're right - a sad excuse of a man.

shmmeee · Oct 18, 2016

How is Q any different to L or G? Also you forgot A apparently.

Not a fan of splitting people up into little groups, we have enough fan groups as it is. But don't really care. I don't see the point in London supporters or any of those either, but I'm not going to stop them.

Now if you want to start a "bellow forward at the top of your voice after three consecutive passes" fans group, you can fuck off.

Nick · Oct 18, 2016

shmmeee said:
How is Q any different to L or G? Also you forgot A apparently.

Not a fan of splitting people up into little groups, we have enough fan groups as it is. But don't really care. I don't see the point in London supporters or any of those either, but I'm not going to stop them.

Now if you want to start a "bellow forward at the top of your voice after three consecutive passes" fans group, you can fuck off.

I have clocked on, it's a bloke in the disabled section.

It worked against West Ham though, he kept shouting "score a goal" and we did.

It didn't against Northampton though.

shmmeee · Oct 18, 2016

Nick said:
I have clocked on, it's a bloke in the disabled section.

It worked against West Ham though, he kept shouting "score a goal" and we did.

It didn't against Northampton though.

Nah. "score a goal" is actually somewhat useful advice. The bloke near me (or used to be near me) may be disabled, but it's not physical that's for sure.

KG7 · Oct 18, 2016

shmmeee said:
How is Q any different to L or G? Also you forgot A apparently.

Not a fan of splitting people up into little groups, we have enough fan groups as it is. But don't really care. I don't see the point in London supporters or any of those either, but I'm not going to stop them.

Now if you want to start a "bellow forward at the top of your voice after three consecutive passes" fans group, you can fuck off.

From why I understand, lesbian is a woman who finds women attractive; gay is a man who finds men attractive and queer relates to people that don't fall into these categories, or don't wish to be identified as such. For example a trans relationship or an individual who doesn't feel like they're adequately categorised by the above terms...e.g. Someone who finds it difficult to identify as a man or a woman...

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KG7 · Oct 18, 2016

This debate is quite enlightening so thanks everyone for contributing...it turns out that there is an LGBT group already which nobody on here knew about called CCFC LGBT

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Nick · Oct 18, 2016

KG7 said:
From why I understand, lesbian is a woman who finds women attractive; gay is a man who finds men attractive and queer relates to people that don't fall into these categories, or don't wish to be identified as such. For example a trans relationship or an individual who doesn't feel like they're adequately categorised by the above terms...e.g. Someone who finds it difficult to identify as a man or a woman...

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Still just city fans though.

Joy Division · Oct 18, 2016

superskyblue said:
I think this is a great idea. Only on Saturday I was sat in the stand at Charlton and there was a torrent of homophobic abuse coming out of the blokes sat near me. Things like 'The Charlton goalkeeper fucks the ref' calling Burge a 'fucking faggot' and so on. Football doesn't feel particularly inclusive when it comes to sexuality (or gender for that matter) so anything that might help make LGBT supporters feel more welcome would be brilliant. Nice one KG7!

And some people on this thread still can't see why people from that community have a tough time at football matches, the kind of attitude that if it doesn't affect them it doesn't matter. Some very selfish people here.

Great idea for a group like this, if it helps people then absolutely brilliant. If it doesnt affect you then it doesnt matter.

KG7 · Oct 18, 2016

Nick said:
Still just city fans though.

Yeah but as has been outlined by many people on here there is value in supporting minority groups who are targeted by other minority groups, bigots and those who don't know better.

Until the day where everybody can see things in the way that you are explaining then these type of groups are important...

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hill83 · Oct 18, 2016

KG7 said:
Yeah but as has been outlined by many people on here there is value in supporting minority groups who are targeted by other minority groups, bigots and those who don't know better.

Until the day where everybody can see things in the way that you are explaining then these type of groups are important...

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It's been said time and time again with all sorts of different groups but he won't have it.

The irony being we are all just 'football fans' but identify as Coventry City fans.

Nick · Oct 18, 2016

hill83 said:
It's been said time and time again with all sorts of different groups but he won't have it.

Like I said, I am all for it if it helps.

I'd rather crack down on the people shouting racist, homophobic stuff etc rather than people having to feel like they have to start a group for something. That's all.

Malaka · Oct 18, 2016

KG7 said:
It stands for Queer, but apparently it can also stand for 'Questioning' which I didn't know until just now.

Definitely questioning, why would they use a derogatory term like queer?

ajsccfc · Oct 18, 2016

Nick said:
Like I said, I am all for it if it helps.

I'd rather crack down on the people shouting racist, homophobic stuff etc rather than people having to feel like they have to start a group for something. That's all.

Ideally, one leads to the other. Inclusion and acceptance aims for less abuse and eventually nobody actually caring about sexual preference, colour or things that shouldn't matter but still do for some people.

mrtrench · Oct 18, 2016

Malaka said:
Definitely questioning, why would they use a derogatory term like queer?

Because reclaiming a pejorative term kills it.

Nick · Oct 18, 2016

mrtrench said:
Because reclaiming a pejorative term kills it.

Don't get that either, as the people still using it in a negative way mean it in a negative way.

KG7 · Oct 18, 2016

Nick said:
Don't get that either, as the people still using it in a negative way mean it in a negative way.

To use an example, when I was at school and being bullied for being a 'skinny c***' it would break my heart but when I got older and decided I was happy with being skinny and actually found it cool the same words which were meant in the same way no longer affected me

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