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GaryMabbuttsLeftKnee · Feb 15, 2021

I don't really know how to word what I am about to say without it sounding like a criticism, but do we not think we are overplaying the Kelly factor just a little bit? We had a great run of form in that period he was playing but most the opposition were teams I would expect to get something out of. We beat Wycombe away, something we always tend to do, Rotherham at home, a result I imagine most of us would expect and Cardiff at home, which came off the back of a 3-2 home win against Reading without Kelly. We drew with Blues and Derby (both relegation rivals, good points all the same) and we got a good draw with Norwich who I believe had 7 players out at the time. I don't want this to come across at all like I don't like/rate Kelly, I do, but I am not as confident he is the lord and saviour some are thinking he is to our play. The guy we have replaced him with (James), is considerably more accomplished than Kelly. I tend to think our form issues are stemmed from much bigger factors than Kelly being out

Frostie · Feb 15, 2021

larry_david said:
This is spot on. Trys to do too much every time. Count next match how many blind one touch passes he does infield to no one.

Absolutely. As a team we're sometimes too pedestrian with our passing but Hamer is the opposite. His ball retention could be so much better, it's his one major weakness at the minute, almost trying too hard to make things happen. I think it was the Reading game where he gave the ball away 3 times in & around our own penalty area - can you imagine the reactions if Sheaf did that?

PUSB-We_are_going_up · Feb 15, 2021

I think we may already have his future replacement in Josh Eccles. He has captained the u23s for a couple of years and he is a good prospect

Frostie · Feb 15, 2021

GaryMabbuttsLeftKnee said:
I don't really know how to word what I am about to say without it sounding like a criticism, but do we not think we are overplaying the Kelly factor just a little bit? We had a great run of form in that period he was playing but most the opposition were teams I would expect to get something out of. We beat Wycombe away, something we always tend to do, Rotherham at home, a result I imagine most of us would expect and Cardiff at home, which came off the back of a 3-2 home win against Reading without Kelly. We drew with Blues and Derby (both relegation rivals, good points all the same) and we got a good draw with Norwich who I believe had 7 players out at the time. I don't want this to come across at all like I don't like/rate Kelly, I do, but I am not as confident he is the lord and saviour some are thinking he is to our play. The guy we have replaced him with (James), is considerably more accomplished than Kelly. I tend to think our form issues are stemmed from much bigger factors than Kelly being out

James is a better player than Kelly without question, we definitely need one or the other though.

steve101 · Feb 15, 2021

GaryMabbuttsLeftKnee said:
I don't really know how to word what I am about to say without it sounding like a criticism, but do we not think we are overplaying the Kelly factor just a little bit? We had a great run of form in that period he was playing but most the opposition were teams I would expect to get something out of. We beat Wycombe away, something we always tend to do, Rotherham at home, a result I imagine most of us would expect and Cardiff at home, which came off the back of a 3-2 home win against Reading without Kelly. We drew with Blues and Derby (both relegation rivals, good points all the same) and we got a good draw with Norwich who I believe had 7 players out at the time. I don't want this to come across at all like I don't like/rate Kelly, I do, but I am not as confident he is the lord and saviour some are thinking he is to our play. The guy we have replaced him with (James), is considerably more accomplished than Kelly. I tend to think our form issues are stemmed from much bigger factors than Kelly being out

I agree James is an all-round more accomplished player, but some players have more about them than physical and technical attributes. Their presence on the pitch - hence why he is captain. He is not a shouter which is probably a good thing with such a young team. He leads by example and sets the pace. A past leader who was a quiet captain and lead by example was Trevor Peake.

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 · Feb 15, 2021

What is the latest on Kelly when it comes to return timespan?

AOM · Feb 15, 2021

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
What is the latest on Kelly when it comes to return timespan?

Robins said last week he was hopefully returning to training today

cc84cov · Feb 15, 2021

Boosh said:
So why have we signed Matty James?

Because Kelly is injury prone

Saddlebrains · Feb 15, 2021

GaryMabbuttsLeftKnee said:
I don't really know how to word what I am about to say without it sounding like a criticism, but do we not think we are overplaying the Kelly factor just a little bit? We had a great run of form in that period he was playing but most the opposition were teams I would expect to get something out of. We beat Wycombe away, something we always tend to do, Rotherham at home, a result I imagine most of us would expect and Cardiff at home, which came off the back of a 3-2 home win against Reading without Kelly. We drew with Blues and Derby (both relegation rivals, good points all the same) and we got a good draw with Norwich who I believe had 7 players out at the time. I don't want this to come across at all like I don't like/rate Kelly, I do, but I am not as confident he is the lord and saviour some are thinking he is to our play. The guy we have replaced him with (James), is considerably more accomplished than Kelly. I tend to think our form issues are stemmed from much bigger factors than Kelly being out

Look back at our results from the day he joined when hes in the starting 11.

Need to find the tweet but i asked Jim Brown a while back and our win rate with Kelly in the starting 11 compared to without is night and day. As i say il have to find the tweet but off the top of my head it was something obscene like 60 odd % win rate in games hes started since we signed him.

He's been our most understated player for a very very long time.

fernandopartridge · Feb 15, 2021

cc84cov said:
Because Kelly is injury prone

In fairness James makes Kelly look like mr never miss a game

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Feb 15, 2021

I see no reason why Kelly, Sheaf and Hamer couldn't play together, either as a three with O'Hare in front or with Sheaf and Kelly a bit deeper and Hamer slightly more advanced to try and do more playing in the strikers. He's also not afraid to have a pop at goal.

How to fit all of them and James in does become a question if Kelly gets fit, with my preference being the experience of James and Kelly and Sheaf dropping to the bench.

stevefloyd · Feb 15, 2021

Boosh said:
It’s not hindsight. We had these issues before January and they should have been addressed.

Unfortunately the budget dictated

stevefloyd · Feb 15, 2021

larry_david said:
This is spot on. Trys to do too much every time. Count next match how many blind one touch passes he does infield to no one.

And just as a balance count how many 1 touch passes find the target too

cc84cov · Feb 15, 2021

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
I see no reason why Kelly, Sheaf and Hamer couldn't play together, either as a three with O'Hare in front or with Sheaf and Kelly a bit deeper and Hamer slightly more advanced to try and do more playing in the strikers. He's also not afraid to have a pop at goal.

How to fit all of them and James in does become a question if Kelly gets fit, with my preference being the experience of James and Kelly and Sheaf dropping to the bench.

James Kelly Hamer is the 3 I would opt for

higgs · Feb 15, 2021

cc84cov said:
James Kelly Hamer is the 3 I would opt for

Yes and bring on sheaf when the legs begin to tire

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steve101 · Feb 16, 2021

Interesting hearing Jodi Jones podcast. He identified Liam Kelly as being the hardest trainer at the club. He said he is super fit (aerobically obviously rather than injury wise). Also he reckoned he would be most likely to become a manager.

Skybluebeliever · Feb 16, 2021

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
What is the latest on Kelly when it comes to return timespan?

Would expect him on the bench tomorrow

stevefloyd · Feb 17, 2021

higgs said:
Yes and bring on sheaf when the legs begin to tire

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Why would you want a tired Sheaf on?

higgs · Feb 17, 2021

stevefloyd said:
Why would you want a tired Sheaf on?

I don't want to know what he was doing on the bench if his legs are tired!!!

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Skybluedownunder · Feb 17, 2021

Has anybody thought that maybe Robins signed James so we don’t sign Sheaf?

Sheaf has to hit certain milestones for us to make his contract with us permanent, maybe one of them is the amount of games. Perhaps Robins thought Sheaf doesn’t cut the mustard so brought in James so he doesn’t have to take up signing Sheaf

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Otis · Feb 17, 2021

Skybluedownunder said:
Has anybody thought that maybe Robins signed James so we don’t sign Sheaf?

Sheaf has to hit certain milestones for us to make his contract with us permanent, maybe one of them is the amount of games. Perhaps Robins thought Sheaf doesn’t cut the mustard so brought in James so he doesn’t have to take up signing Sheaf

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Oh, I do like a good conspiracy.

shmmeee · Feb 17, 2021

Skybluedownunder said:
Has anybody thought that maybe Robins signed James so we don’t sign Sheaf?

Sheaf has to hit certain milestones for us to make his contract with us permanent, maybe one of them is the amount of games. Perhaps Robins thought Sheaf doesn’t cut the mustard so brought in James so he doesn’t have to take up signing Sheaf

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No.

Since James arrived:

Norwich: Sheaf started, James came on
Reading: James started, Sheaf came on
Wednesday: Both started
Brum: Both started
Forest: Both started
Watford: Sheaf injured
Cardiff: Sheaf unused, though just back from injury.

Skybluedownunder · Feb 17, 2021

shmmeee said:
No.

Since James arrived:

Norwich: Sheaf started, James came on
Reading: James started, Sheaf came on
Wednesday: Both started
Brum: Both started
Forest: Both started
Watford: Sheaf injured
Cardiff: Sheaf unused, though just back from injury.

Thanks for the useful info

I really not sold so far on Sheaf, his performances haven’t wow’d me yet

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shmmeee · Feb 17, 2021

Skybluedownunder said:
Thanks for the useful info

I really not sold so far on Sheaf, his performances haven’t wow’d me yet

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I like him a lot but thought the same as you, hence why I went and found out. I think if we stay up well sign Sheaf, he’s played in 24 games already so I expect we’ll meet and requirements on that front.

Frostie · Feb 17, 2021

Skybluedownunder said:
Has anybody thought that maybe Robins signed James so we don’t sign Sheaf?
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No. Different type of player & have played together more often than not.

James was to cover Kelly's injury but end of season could be interesting if we manage to take James permanently. Would Kelly accept a lesser role?

skyblueinBaku · Feb 17, 2021

Frostie said:
No. Different type of player & have played together more often than not.

James was to cover Kelly's injury but end of season could be interesting if we manage to take James permanently. Would Kelly accept a lesser role?

I don't think that Kelly would just 'accept' a lesser role, he's not that kind of bloke. I'm sure he would fight tooth and nail to win back the shirt.

better days · Feb 17, 2021

Think Kelly's not far away
He's the sort of guy who wants to get back to help the team so I hope he doesn't rush things like Matty Godden did

mrtrench · Feb 17, 2021

Saddlebrains said:
He's been our most understated player for a very very long time.

You only think that because you cannot remember all the players who were much more understated.

steve101 · Feb 17, 2021

mrtrench said:
You only think that because you cannot remember all the players who were much more understated.

You are not suggesting Saddlebrains is understating the understated are you?

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