Liverpool v Forest Referee (1 Viewer)

Seen Burnley's disallowed goal in the game on now? So ridiculously soft.

Warwickhunt said:

Yes Mark I did! Still of the opinion that refs favour bigger teams I don't think it's coincidence that struggling teams get so many decisions wrong against them

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Always think with these soft decisions in favour of defenders in the box the ref should ask themselves if they'd give it as a penalty if it was the other way round. Think we know the answer on that one.

Warwickhunt said:

I Watched the game and find it incredulous that the Referee can make such an error which effects the game outcome. 2 minutes into extra time and Liverpool defender starts shithousing (no foul given by tye ref) just plain old shithousinhg in his area and Forest were in full flow attacking and the ref stops the game as Forest had possession of the ball and just about to send a cross into the box. The Ref restarts the game and gives the free ball to Liverpool!!!!!!... who subsequently sent the ball up into the Forest area and got a corner which produced a freekick that Nunes scored from. Bloody disgraceful, I bet Paul Teirney gets done and demoted down to the championship and we have the tosser doing one of our matches.

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If it had been the other way around Liverpool would have been writing a letter of complaint to the FA.

Was in Nottingham last night and their fans were furious.

I don’t accept the error meant they lost
It was a mistake though

Sky Blue Pete said:

I don’t accept the error meant they lost
It was a mistake though

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Would Liverpool have scored if forest were rightly given the ball?

Here's another one

I don't know why the ref stopped the game . If he thought it was a head injury then he clearly realised the Liverpool defender was faking it when he suddenly got his feet when the whistle went.
At that point the ref should have given forest the corner to retake or told Liverpool to take the free kick from when Hudson Adoi had picked the ball up and told them to send the ball to a Forest player back in the Forest half.
Why he gave Liverpool a thrown in I don't know. The ball never went out.

It was a disgrace. Forest were robbed and at this stage every point counts.

CV22SBA said:

If it had been the other way around Liverpool would have been writing a letter of complaint to the FA.

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It wouldn’t have happened the other way around.
If Liverpool had the ball on the wing,they would have been given the ball back there.

Nick said:

Would Liverpool have scored if forest were rightly given the ball?

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Think we all know the answer to that Nick. The decision the referee took was more than a mere error, and the 4th official should have intervened to tell him he was making a mistake at such a crucial point.
Otherwise whats the point of being wired up.

Nick said:

Here's another one

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That famous big club bias from referees to disallow a goal for……Real Madrid?

Sky Blue Pete said:

I don’t accept the error meant they lost
It was a mistake though

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Must admit I don't get all the outrage. There have been much worse examples of poor referring this season.

Thought the celtic sending off was dire today too

Nick said:

Would Liverpool have scored if forest were rightly given the ball?

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That is like saying would Liverpool have scored if Forest had defended properly?

Shit happens. Win some, lose some.

Also. Fuck VAR.

Nick said:

Would Liverpool have scored if forest were rightly given the ball?

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Who knows either way. The goal was 2 minutes later with about 4 phases of play in between that.

It was a mistake by Tierney no doubt. But that's refereeing. Just like players they will make mistakes, very annoying for forest of course.

Nick said:

Would Liverpool have scored if forest were rightly given the ball?

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Maybe

SBT said:

That famous big club bias from referees to disallow a goal for……Real Madrid?

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Some of what I’ve read on this is just wrong
Ref blew before the cross came in

Warwickhunt said:

I Watched the game and find it incredulous that the Referee can make such an error which effects the game outcome. 2 minutes into extra time and Liverpool defender starts shithousing (no foul given by tye ref) just plain old shithousinhg in his area and Forest were in full flow attacking and the ref stops the game as Forest had possession of the ball and just about to send a cross into the box. The Ref restarts the game and gives the free ball to Liverpool!!!!!!... who subsequently sent the ball up into the Forest area and got a corner which produced a freekick that Nunes scored from. Bloody disgraceful, I bet Paul Teirney gets done and demoted down to the championship and we have the tosser doing one of our matches.

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And they say VAR is there to help the referee's, so why didn't they say too the referee, it's a Forest drop ball.

Nick said:

Would Liverpool have scored if forest were rightly given the ball?

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Nobody knows. Every single decision, right or wrong, has an effect on subsequent events. The pattern of play changes. The ref made a mistake, but I think Liverpool's goal was so much later that the goal cannot be directly attributed to the error. And I believe he made a simiilar mistake earlier, but in Forest's favour.
You win some, you lose some.

COVKIDSNEVERQUIT said:

And they say VAR is there to help the referee's, so why didn't they say too the referee, it's a Forest drop ball.

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Because they would be officiating from St George's park....

People can't complain that VAR doesn't work and then ask it get involved with such menial decisions, it's a human game, errors happen. People are searching for perfect officiating, it's not possible.

The ref would have been well within his rights to give a free-kick to Liverpool anyway for the ludicrously high challenge by Yates.
Who would get the blame then?

skybluegod said:

Because they would be officiating from St George's park....

People can't complain that VAR doesn't work and then ask it get involved with such menial decisions, it's a human game, errors happen. People are searching for perfect officiating, it's not possible.

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So what about the 4th official? Or are they just even more a complete waste of space than the average linesperson?

MalcSB said:

So what about the 4th official? Or are they just even more a complete waste of space than the average linesperson?

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Did he see it? Or was he busy? The 4th official is probably the busiest of the 4 (if used correctly which may not be the case) I don't know, I'm not him, but it take an exceptional official to overrule the referee from the touchline as very easy to be distracted.

skybluegod said:

Did he see it? Or was he busy? The 4th official is probably the busiest of the 4 (if used correctly which may not be the case) I don't know, I'm not him, but it take an exceptional official to overrule the referee from the touchline as very easy to be distracted.

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They're not allowed to overrule the ref anyway, only advise.
"it is expected that referees will only seek assistance from the Fourth Official in respect of significant match changing incidents which have been missed by the other three match
officials and which are clearly visible to the Fourth Official. Such incidents are:
- red card offences
- yellow card offences
- penalty area offences"

When the Laws of the Game were written, they have always (rightly) been designed so that the Referee was the sole arbiter & their decision was final.

Unfortunately, with the introduction of VAR, this has been undermined & we now see fans, pundits etc. micro analysing (from multiple angles, in slow motion) even the smallest of decisions from a throw in to a corner/goal kick given the wrong way & just scream corruption if every single decision doesn't go the way they want. What was claimed to "assist" referees is actually leading to a very toxic atmosphere against them.

COVKIDSNEVERQUIT said:

And they say VAR is there to help the referee's, so why didn't they say too the referee, it's a Forest drop ball.

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Not part of the remit most likely

Frostie said:

The ref would have been well within his rights to give a free-kick to Liverpool anyway for the ludicrously high challenge by Yates.
Who would get the blame then?

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I suppose that’s just two mistakes really lol

Frostie said:

They're not allowed to overrule the ref anyway, only advise.
"it is expected that referees will only seek assistance from the Fourth
Official in respect of significant match changing incidents which have been missed by the other three match
officials and which are clearly visible to the Fourth Official. Such incidents are:
- red card offences
- yellow card offences
- penalty area offences"

When the Laws of the Game were written, they have always (rightly) been designed so that the Referee was the sole arbiter & their decision was final.

Unfortunately, with the introduction of VAR, this has been undermined & we now see fans, pundits etc. micro analysing (from multiple angles, in slow motion) even the smallest of decisions from a throw in to a corner/goal kick given the wrong way & just scream corruption if every single decision doesn't go the way they want. What was claimed to "assist" referees is actually leading to a very toxic atmosphere against them.

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Unintended consequences

The Ref's Response to these criticisms was to post the Referee's Alphabet, highlighting the pertinent points in this case:

The A is for my authority
which many players seem to question,
thinking they'e somehow going to make me change my mind
B is for babies
which a lot of managers cry like
after a decision has not gone their way
C is for the continual criticism I recieve from the touchline
"Get back in your technical area!"
D is for the dunderheads
who seem to think we have a conspiracy
against their particular team
E is for the eery silence that echoes around the ground
after I've booked the home teams player
and it's obvious to everyone that he deserved it
F is the farce into which most games would descend if we weren't there
The G is for the gnarled face of someone who's on £90, 000 a week
and reckoned he should have had a throw-in
H is for handball
which has to be intentional and very rarely is
if only people would study the rules more
I is for innocence, pleaded by many a doe-eyed defender
after they've just scythed down that tricky winger
J is for ju-jitsu, which I quite intend to display given a dark alley
and some of the narky blerts I've encountered
K is for the kissing of the badge
how ridiculous that looks 6 months later when they're at another club
L is for lip reading, at which you dont need to be an expert
to see how odious some people are
M is for the mistakes we sometimes make
surely a bit of controversy is part of the games appeal
The N, the N is for the numbskull who during the boxing day game
asks me what else I got for christmas besides my whistle
...an afternoon with your wife mate
The O is for offside
which many forwards tell me they simply could not have been
The P is for the penalty shootout
great drama and no pressure on me
Q is the quiet word I sometimes need to have
with some of the more fiery participants
I usually choose the word 'pleat'
R is for running backwards
a difficult skill which the pundits never seem to appreciate
S is the suggestion that I should show a card to an opponent
by a player who's been awarded a free kick
he himself is more in danger of getting one for that
T is for the 21-man brawl
which is basically an embarrassing scene of pushing and shoving
U is for the umpire which I sometimes wish I'd been instead
you never hear a cricket crowd shouting who's the bastard in the hat
The V is for vitriol vilification vendetta and volley of verbal abuse
some good bird noises there by the way
W is for Walter Pidgeon
whose Mr Griffiths in 'How Green was My Valley'
I may have started to sound like during this song
'Where was the light I thought to see in your eye'
he says that to a young Huw played by Roddy McDowall
The X
The X represents the sarcastic kiss planted on my forehead by the swarthy potugese center half
who I just dismissed
The Y is for Yate
the kind of town referees come from
And the Z
Well the Z could be for Zidane, Zico, Zola, Zubizaretta, Zoff
Even Zondervan
but is in fact for the zest with which we approach our work
without this zest for the game we wouldnt become refs
and without refs, well zero
See also Zatopek, Zeus
and Zeal Monachorum
I have a caravan there
static naturally
Wouldn't it be fun if they gave the ref a gun
Wouldn't it be fun if they gave the ref a gun

Evo1883 said:

Thought the celtic sending off was dire today too

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Every time Celtic have a man sent off is good news

hinckley cov said:

Every time Celtic have a man sent off is good news

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Poor decisions for both pens and sending off.

CV22SBA said:

If it had been the other way around Liverpool would have been writing a letter of complaint to the FA.

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And a candle lit vigil