Because in the 7 years of austerity implemented by your glorious Torys, we've seenHomeWhy?
Because in the 7 years of austerity implemented by your glorious Torys, we've seenHome
ownership at a new low, lack of social housing meaning people have to rentfrom Often
unscrupulous landlords.
A large number of the Tory MPs that voted against this particular bill, happen to be just such
landlords, 72 in fact including Nick Hurd Theresa Mays new Fire & Police Minister.
Because like most things in the modern world...its all about perception. 'We are refurbishing' is likely a cheaper option than 'we are upgrading safety systems'.The majority of the 're-furb' was for aesthetic purposes. One of the things the fire service said is they couldn't get water above a certain level.... so why the fuck weren't there sprinklers?
But the powers that be try to strike a balance. A bit like the H&S stuff we all rant about...'can't play conkers unless you wear safety googles' type stuff. We rant because people have played conkers for a very long time with a miniscule percentage of blindness resulting through a flying piece of conker. Blocks of flats on a par with Grenfell Tower have been lived in by many people in many countries for many years without any problem.Just seen on TV apparently it would cost 44 million to fit every block in the country With
sprinkler systems, have to say that sounds very low, thought it would be much more.
But whatever the cost, it has to be done, to avoid the cost to human life.
How the hell can you say that before the investigation hasn't even found the cause the fire yet, let alone how/why it spread so readily!!!?We are mourning an entirely avoidable tragedy.
Probably because it's a bit like going to bed on a night after one too many glasses of Port, & forgetting to lock the back door. As a one off incident you're unlikely to have an outcome beyond a sore head due to the Port & a red face due the not locking the door. If you leave the door unlocked EVERY night, eventually you'll wake up & find your Port has been pinched!Why?
How the hell can you say that before the investigation hasn't even found the cause the fire yet, let alone how/why it spread so readily!!!?
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What about the Lakanal House fire in 2009. There was a coroners enquiry which would the building didn't provide the required fire resistance and insufficient fire risk assessments had been made. This was followed by a cross party committee being setup who delivered their recommendations in 2013.Blocks of flats on a par with Grenfell Tower have been lived in by many people in many countries for many years without any problem.
We don't have an endless pot of money and refitting a block of flats with sprinklers is a huge and expensive task, would require things like false ceilings to be installed.
Ah you're swayed by that...I sympathise with their protestations. They haven't been proven as founded or unfounded yet though have they? Knee-jerk reactions & speculationsfrom the like of us isn't going to help the dead, injured or directly affected in any way though. Maybe it makes you feel better?Listen to the accounts of those that live there and their repeated protestations about safety prior to the incident.
As they did after the Lakanal House fire only for all their recommendations to be ignored. Will this time be any different or after 3 or 4 years of an enquiry costing millions will the recommendations be ignored again?I will keep an open mind & wait until the expert investigators put their findings & conclusions forward myself
Ah you're swayed by that...I sympathise with their protestations. They haven't been proven as founded or unfounded yet though have they? Knee-jerk reactions & speculationsfrom the like of us isn't going to help the dead, injured or directly affected in any way though. Maybe it makes you feel better?
I will keep an open mind & wait until the expert investigators put their findings & conclusions forward myself
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But Whitefriars DID have the money to tart up the OUTSIDE of their tower blocks with blue and white tiles, spotlights, uPVC window frames, etc. The total cost of purely cosmetic improvements (inside and out) was between £3m and £6m per block.
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The refurbishment of blocks such as this, are usually carried out for aesthetic reasons, More to improve
the view for those looking at it, rather than improve the living conditions for those looking out of it.
Or else someone who lives in one!You're obviously employed in a senior position within the building industry to be able to make such a confident assertion.
From what was being said by 'experts' on the TV the cladding is aesthetic. However when it is put on there is a gap between the cladding and the original exterior which can be filled with insulation however, at least in this instance, it seems that was not fire retardant. That type of insulation is more expensive.I don't know if the cladding is insulation stuff. They are irrelevant minor points anyway.
Remains to be seen I guess, sadlyAs they did after the Lakanal House fire only for all their recommendations to be ignored. Will this time be any different or after 3 or 4 years of an enquiry costing millions will the recommendations be ignored again?
I've dissmissive none of their views. They expressed concerns.I think I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss the views of the people that had to live in that environment day in day out.
All I am saying is we have to wait to see where the buck stops.
That's it then...might as well save a shed load of time & money & carry on as usual?!The buck won't stop anywhere. An official inquiry will conclude after many years that it was all due to an 'unfortunate series of coincidences which no one could possibly have foreseen' just like every other disaster inquiry we've had over the years.
insulation however, at least in this instance, it seems that was not fire retardant. That type of insulation is more expensive.
I would rather it was all stopped until answers found. Just risks scapegoating well... everybody.Yet again it's a load of Journos not knowing what they're talking about, spreading rumours.
They've also said its not allowed in other countries, including the US, "because of the fire and smoke spread". Seems the also make a fire resistant version but that's £2 per square metre more expensive.Here's a real worrying snippet from the cladding manufacturer:
King’s College hospital is to lodge a complaint with the press watchdog over a journalist who allegedly impersonated a friend of a victim of the Grenfell Tower fire in order to get an interview with him.
The hospital is to file a complaint with the Independent Press Standards Organisation (Ipso) about the behaviour of the Sun reporter. It has also written to News UK, the publisher of the Sun, Times and Sunday Times, about the incident.
“Following an incident at King’s College hospital, we have formally written to the Sun and will be informing the Independent Press Standards Organisation,” said a spokeswoman for King’s College hospita NHS foundation trust. “We are unable to comment on the specifics until our complaint has been investigated.”
It is understood that the Sun was trying to get an interview with Mario Gomes, a resident on the 21st floor who has been hailed as a hero after racing back into the building to find his 12-year-old daughter.
Sources say a Sun journalist has been accused of attempting to impersonate a friend of Gomes to hospital staff in order to interview him.
They've also said its not allowed in other countries, including the US, "because of the fire and smoke spread". Seems the also make a fire resistant version but that's £2 per square metre more expensive.
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