There’s something off about her, she doesn’t look like a real human. Doesn’t even seem to accept that she’s done it either (unless this is all a very deliberate act). Surely she gets diagnosed with a host of disorders when inside.
what's the complex question regarding how you should deal with a baby killer?Populism is emotionally approaching complex questions pretending there are easy answers.
Populism is emotionally approaching complex questions pretending there are easy answers.
Those haven’t doesn’t mean no one can or that if shouldn’t be the aimWell in reality she cannot do any good as the state would have to spend vast amounts to change her identity or she will be found and dealt with
What good did Colin Pitchfork do? He lasted 8 weeks before he started stalking young women and was locked back up.
What good has David Mcgready done out of interest - made some iron railings? What has he done?
Why do you think we don’t?Well there is an easy answer
Evidence ??Many more in reality will not be as they will remain dangerous or impossible to protect like Myra Hindley
State sanctioned killing goodwhat's the complex question regarding how you should deal with a baby killer?
What are the top 3 'gammon opinions' on here? Also what are your thoughts on baby killers?Very gammon opinions here, next we’ll be cutting thieves hands off.
Death penalty, torturing nonces, public executions etc.What are the top 3 'gammon opinions' on here? Also what are your thoughts on baby killers?
Close, I think she was medi-evilDeath penalty, torturing nonces, public executions etc.
It’s all a bit medieval.
I think wanting the death penalty for something like this is a fairly reasonable response. The state having the power to kill is not something i agree with as it happens, but she certainly should never be released and if someone happened to get hold of her inside i'm sure no one would shed a tear.Death penalty, torturing nonces, public executions etc.
It’s all a bit medieval.
Evidence ??
There's nothing 'gammon' about this debate - enough of the Twitter lazy stereotyping, already!Very gammon opinions here, next we’ll be cutting thieves hands off.
And doesn’t reduce crime or act as a deterrent or make us saferDeath penalty, torturing nonces, public executions etc.
It’s all a bit medieval.
Sorry there is evidence of people reoffending lots of it. I was meaning the number of people who will never have paroleThere are many killers who are not on whole life tarrifs and not released still - also charmers like John Warboys
Oh I have an example of someone released from prison on parole - Peter Tobin who violently and repeatedly raped two 14 year old girls. Still he was obviously a reformed chap and was ready to do good in the world. That good being the murder of 3 innocent women
Maybe we can pick them out and arrange for them to be locked up forever before they commit crimeIn the US the parole boards success stories - even Arthur Shawcross was paroled
Paroled Murderers Who Were Freed Only to Kill Again
One of the most fundamental concepts in the criminal justice system is that of recidivism, a formally incarcerated person’s relapse into criminal behavior. The rates vary from crime to crime, but the sad truth is that many murderers who were released from jail turned around and committed crimes...www.ranker.com
Has to be surelyWill there be any repercussions for the Hospital management who ignored the worries of consultants who wanted her removed from the wards and the police brought in to investigate what was going on, they actually found in her favour when she raised a grievance with them about said consultants.
Did you see that Panorama special on Friday night? Quite horrifying the way the hospital management were more worried about the hospital's reputation than patient safety or harbouring a killer.Will there be any repercussions for the Hospital management who ignored the worries of consultants who wanted her removed from the wards and the police brought in to investigate what was going on, they actually found in her favour when she raised a grievance with them about said consultants.
While I agree think you have to consider how more distressing that would be to the family’s if she comes out screaming and shouting abuseExecute don’t execute, that’s another argument but what sort of soft soaked pathetic law and order system do we have that doesn’t drag this vile psychopath up to at least sit in the dock and face the parents of her victims when she was being sentenced and to hear their statements.
Have you any experience of practically how that would work?Execute don’t execute, that’s another argument but what sort of soft soaked pathetic law and order system do we have that doesn’t drag this vile psychopath up to at least sit in the dock and face the parents of her victims when she was being sentenced and to hear their statements.
And the panorama couple who has 1 twin murdered and the other given health issues said the sameOnce of the victim family statement actually said they hoped she lived a long life and suffers every day.
It's one of those things that sounds great in theory but in practice how would it work. BBC reporter summed up the problemsExecute don’t execute, that’s another argument but what sort of soft soaked pathetic law and order system do we have that doesn’t drag this vile psychopath up to at least sit in the dock and face the parents of her victims when she was being sentenced and to hear their statements.
As we've reported, Lucy Letby refusing to appear for her sentencing today has reignited calls to make this mandatory.
Rishi Sunak said this morning the government is planning to change the law. Opposition parties agree.
But the issue lies in the practicalities, not the politics. And there are lots of questions about how this would work.
Firstly, if laws are toughened to punish people more if they don't attend - will people facing life sentences be deterred by the threat of a few more months potentially?
Secondly, there's the physical force required to drag someone from prison to the courts, and then potentially from the courts up lots of winding stairs to the docks.
This is currently possible if force is considered "reasonable" - but prison governors, and later judges, must make that call.
Then there is the issue of whether, if you drag someone to court against their will, will they try sabotage it by screaming and shouting and drowning out the judge?
Or shout abuse at grieving families or victims? Or produce an insult by simply sticking fingers in their ears?
There's potentially nothing stopping a sentence being streamed into someone's cell - but does this have the same impact if they can't be addressed directly? And again, they could just cover their ears.
Youre correctIt's one of those things that sounds great in theory but in practice how would it work. BBC reporter summed up the problems
It won’t be old age that kills her in prison, that’s for sure. Given what happens to nonces, someone who murdered 7 babies and tried to kill countless more will surely not last long.
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