It sounds like she was a strangely mollycoddled child herself, I mean her Dad turned up at her disciplinary FFS. The Countess Trust completely lost the plot here and the senior accountable people should all be removed from post. It's a huge failure of safeguarding.Definitely a Cluster B personality disorder at play. She was said to be infatuated with a much older male doctor and was harming babies to get closer to him
The doctor gave evidence against her at trial but has anonymity
It sounds like she was a strangely mollycoddled child herself, I mean her Dad turned up at her disciplinary FFS. The Countess Trust completely lost the plot here and the senior accountable people should all be removed from post. It's a huge failure of safeguarding.Definitely a Cluster B personality disorder at play. She was said to be infatuated with a much older male doctor and was harming babies to get closer to him
The doctor gave evidence against her at trial but has anonymity
Hey de fuckin WiFi in this joint whaddayaknowfernando "2 times" partridge.....
Your response to Pete suggested to me, maybe incorrectly, that you don't support the sort of liberal approaches successful adopted in Norway and that you feel a more repressive/punitive approach can be more successful. El Salvador is an extreme example of this which in terms of crime reduction has been a outstandingly successful. It has gone from having the highest homicide rate in the world to becoming a relatively safe country in a short period and by far the safest in the region. As a result the President is genuinely one of the world's most popular leaders.Strangely enough I don’t see the Wild West of El Salvador as especially relevant
Your response to Pete suggested to me, maybe incorrectly, that you don't support the sort of liberal approaches successful adopted in Norway and that you feel a more repressive/punitive approach can be more successful. El Salvador is an extreme example of this which in terms of crime reduction has been a outstandingly successful. It has gone from having the highest homicide rate in the world to becoming a relatively safe country in a short period and by far the safest in the region. As a result the President is genuinely one of the world's most popular leaders.
This has been achieved through a highly punitive approach and at the expense of peoples' human rights. Many people have been imprisoned just on suspicion of being involved in criminality, especially the drug trade.
For the avoidance of doubt I don't support such an approach but it is an interesting example. Most people in El Salvador say they are content to have lost their rights and not overly concerned that innocent people are incarcerated as they now feel safe going about their daily lives.
Of course, the sort of things Norway are doing are right in my view but it is easy to understand why the El Salvador approach has popular support at least in their context.
One answer yepThe answer is to stop imprisoning people for relatively petty crimes not to release very dangerous people
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My reference point actually was Japan which does have the death penalty and a very low rate of homocide
Also other countries in the Scandi area are having significant escalation of issues are they not?
6 months of complete isolation would reduce the human brain to mushAll she has left is her secret. Why she did it. She can maintain power over others if they seek answers from her.
So, isolate her with no privileges. Make it clear she can only receive privileges if she comes clean.
Once every six months she is allowed to speak to psychiatrists/detectives to tell all. That's it. If she misses her chance by messing about or playing games straight back in isolation for 6 months.
The only thing she has to offer society is the truth.
We can wait. She can stew.
6 months of complete isolation would reduce the human brain to mush
The death penalty working brilliantly in stopping killings in the US of course.My reference point actually was Japan which does have the death penalty and a very low rate of homocide
Also other countries in the Scandi area are having significant escalation of issues are they not?
An afternoonThis place can do it in a fortnight.
The death penalty working brilliantly in stopping killings in the US of course.
Well you literally just linked it with the low homicide rate in Japan.No one says it is or it’s actually a deterrent at all
Not so much as a deterrent but the resources wasted on someone like Letby who we could inject an overdose for a fiver is plain to see. Especially if you can see where the saving is directly going, eg in this case to put those additional funds into preventing infant mortality and I doubt you'd have too many against it.
Well you literally just linked it with the low homicide rate in Japan.
Before going there I was told by a local to assume there’s an undercover police within view most of the time.Well yes as you seemed to imply Norway is a successful indicator - the truth is you can’t correlate can you. Singapore is about the safest place on earth
I've just been reading about that. Apparently down to higher legal costs when arguing for the DP and more expensive to house them whilst on death Row (average time 20 years!). It's not so much the cost of the execution as what goes before it. Much easier / cheaper to let other inmates know they're a nonce and turn your back whilst justice is served.In the states it costs more to execute someone than imprison them for life.
Not so much as a deterrent but the resources wasted on someone like Letby who we could inject an overdose for a fiver is plain to see. Especially if you can see where the saving is directly going, eg in this case to put those additional funds into preventing infant mortality and I doubt you'd have too many against it.
That’s cause half the young male Japanese population are hermits holed up watching aMy reference point actually was Japan which does have the death penalty and a very low rate of homocide
Also other countries in the Scandi area are having significant escalation of issues are they not?
Experienced the same in ChinaBefore going there I was told by a local to assume there’s an undercover police within view most of the time.
It won’t be old age that kills her in prison, that’s for sure. Given what happens to nonces, someone who murdered 7 babies and tried to kill countless more will surely not last long.
Awful places full of many victims of crime and life circumstances. Awful self harm and repeating cycles of behaviour with no way outWomen’s prison a bit different though. Fewer lifers with nothing to lose and violent inmates in general.
Not so much as a deterrent but the resources wasted on someone like Letby who we could inject an overdose for a fiver is plain to see. Especially if you can see where the saving is directly going, eg in this case to put those additional funds into preventing infant mortality and I doubt you'd have too many against it.
Awful places full of many victims of crime and life circumstances. Awful self harm and repeating cycles of behaviour with no way out
Not this particular woman of course
I was thinking suicide.Women’s prison a bit different though. Fewer lifers with nothing to lose and violent inmates in general.
I was thinking suicide.
A large proportion of men see prostitutes regularly, very 1960s attitude to women - and they are obsessed with cartoonsI was recently watching the C4 documentary where Guy Martin did a trip round Japan, and he says the culture is to obey the law, and has one of the lowest crime rates in the world. Fucking weird place though!
Isn't there a larger proportion of men to women, so not all men would be able to find a monogamous partner even if they all wanted to?A large proportion of men see prostitutes regularly, very 1960s attitude to women - and they are obsessed with cartoons
Wouldn’t be surprisedWow - The New Yorker has published a 13,000 word article questioning the conviction, placing the case alongside previous examples of miscarriages of justice in the medical profession. The article isn’t available online in the UK for legal reasons, but is viewable elsewhere.
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