This all comes down to the figure really doesn't it?
If it was indeed 2million then it's a joke of a transfer and why sell? Not even played a full season for us yet.
If it was £7million then we have had a good deal and loaned back is the cherry on the cake.
Which is it?
When are we going to get the 35m for him?
I can see attendances really falling away now, where is the hope that we could at last build a decent team .you can't build a team on bloody loanee's, what sort of future is that.
Who now holds his registration?He is still here. Nothing has actually changed.
He is still here. Nothing has actually changed.
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Well it has changed Grendel because he has been sold for a small sum. I genuinely believe if we got 5m plus add ons then there wouldn't be the madness and hysteria.
You think £2m is a good deal for the club?But he isn't worth that, is he? So is that just down to people over estimating because of JM10 the brand and the fact he is from CCFC?
If it was Lameires for example, played the same amount of games, exactly the same stats etc then would there be outrage at £2m?
so instead we've got to put with Bigi,Job,and Connor fucking Thomas.
But he isn't worth that, is he? So is that just down to people over estimating because of JM10 the brand and the fact he is from CCFC?
If it was Lameires for example, played the same amount of games, exactly the same stats etc then would there be outrage at £2m?
You think £2m is a good deal for the club?
What worries me most is TM wouldn't have authorized this deal surely? That's the scary part.
So if something goes wrong in his career its a good deal....what about if his career goes how we all think it will go?Again, it is hard to tell now isn't it. It might well be in 4 or 5 years with hindsight.
He has played a handful of games, yes he has scored a couple of good goals.
If he had been majorly influencing our season with 100 games under his belt it would be a different story.
Pays operating losses too.
The way I read it, the transfer's as much so we can have a similar squad to this season without having to cut it back, rather than us suddenly getting hundreds of superstars.
You think £2m is a good deal for the club?
NW - I've "liked" this not because I like it (if you know what I mean), but because I think you are spot on with your interpretation.
But the problem remains that we have sold this outstanding young player too soon and for too little money. He might have funded us for several seasons if we'd allowed his talent to be fully proven before selling. Terrible judgement IMO.
Unless it was the only way for Mowbray to have the squad he wanted. He's already shown with his choice of loanees and older players on short term contracts, that he very much looks to the here and now, rather than the long term.
I think mowbray is a football man. He has said as much regarding Maddison. He said he needs to stay and Flourish.
Yep agree with this. Massive outrage at a guess at £2m. People need to get a grip with this season over bollocks as well. We've got him back for the rest of the season and added a couple of defenders. So what's changed?.Have the club or Norwich confirmed it was 2 million?
If it was its not good enough, if it was more then they have down better. We can argue about it all day but lets face it we will never get a whiff of the exact figure apart from a journalist making a guess, which is what journalists do every fucking day.
He also said he'd only consider a deal if Maddison was loaned back for the season.
Well, that's what he's got.
Surprised that this has happened now. Thought it would happen in the summer...... but not to Norwich.
If it is £2m, then for a young lad who as yet has proven very little in L1 let alone higher, is a decent valuation. Comparing it to say Deli Ali is a bit of a stretch to be honest, that was £5m for a player of same age that had played 100 or so first team games and had influenced the results in a bigger percentage of games than Maddison. To expect £7m for Maddison right now or even in the summer is frankly fantasy in my opinion. He may become worth that but he isn't now. Yes he has potential but no real track record
There may of course be add ons so the overall fee might be bigger assuming he succeeds at Norwich. Transfer fees are usually staggered payments so the financial effect will be spread too. Unlikely there will be a big upfront payment I would think. Say it is £2m in value then in current circumstances TM gets 60% added to his budget at the time that each payment is made so that 1.2m increase in budget could/would be spread over two years or something like. However part of the value will include the value of the loan - its cost, so that reduces the budget available. Is that loan valued at his new wages, the old wages or some other figure
A club like Norwich probably does give Maddison a better opportunity to play in the first team than say Spurs or Liverpool so for him it is a better option probably , and in any case he is still young and the opportunity to move is going to be there in the future. Certainly the worst it could be is the opportunity to definitely be playing in the Championship if he is good enough next season.
I find the comments of Anderson a little troubling. A sale of Maddison at a guessed at £2m secures the clubs future ...... really ? It is not exactly big numbers is it and it will be spread over probably two years. Just how many proven players have we got signed on past 30th June 2016?
Seemed to be rushed through but was it? TM clearly didn't want him to go. Listening to his after match comments on Saturday then there did seem to be something going on judging by his comments about transfers. I might be reading too much in to that but I did wonder at the time.
Can we now put to bed this idea that SISU are backing a promotion push with extra funds? Personally I still think SISU have drawn a line under the finance and said get on with it sink or swim........ but still retain the final decision on the sales/purchases (as you would expect)
Bottom line is nothing in the finances has really changed, we are still in a mess, we still rely on crowds turning up and player sales............. but therein lies the conundrum we need to sell to fund the team but in so doing lose our best talent, which in turn puts at risk any success on the pitch. TM has a very tough job
It certainly is Nick but most clubs seem to find a way to at least seem to move forward....... cant help but feel we find a way to develop inertia
It certainly is Nick but most clubs seem to find a way to at least seem to move forward....... cant help but feel we find a way to develop inertia
Although arguably we've moved forward this season.
My stuck record will say if the moving forward is on loans and one-year veterans however... where's the next Maddison going to be unearthed from? Surely we need to set aside £500k, say, to go fishing in the division below us for one of their standout players to develop?
Totaly agree with your sentiments and i do believe the deal has been setup to give us a gauranteed income stream over the next two years and hopefully a sell% that would give us a Bonza payout if he goes to one of the big boys which in my opinion is a cert! I do feel for Mowbury and i think he is an honourable man and will take us to the end of season but would suggest this sale will have made his mind to move on in the closed season to a bigger club with aspiration better than our owners.Surprised that this has happened now. Thought it would happen in the summer...... but not to Norwich.
If it is £2m, then for a young lad who as yet has proven very little in L1 let alone higher, is a decent valuation. Comparing it to say Deli Ali is a bit of a stretch to be honest, that was £5m for a player of same age that had played 100 or so first team games and had influenced the results in a bigger percentage of games than Maddison. To expect £7m for Maddison right now or even in the summer is frankly fantasy in my opinion. He may become worth that but he isn't now. Yes he has potential but no real track record
There may of course be add ons so the overall fee might be bigger assuming he succeeds at Norwich. Transfer fees are usually staggered payments so the financial effect will be spread too. Unlikely there will be a big upfront payment I would think. Say it is £2m in value then in current circumstances TM gets 60% added to his budget at the time that each payment is made so that 1.2m increase in budget could/would be spread over two years or something like. However part of the value will include the value of the loan - its cost, so that reduces the budget available. Is that loan valued at his new wages, the old wages or some other figure
A club like Norwich probably does give Maddison a better opportunity to play in the first team than say Spurs or Liverpool so for him it is a better option probably , and in any case he is still young and the opportunity to move is going to be there in the future. Certainly the worst it could be is the opportunity to definitely be playing in the Championship if he is good enough next season.
I find the comments of Anderson a little troubling. A sale of Maddison at a guessed at £2m secures the clubs future ...... really ? It is not exactly big numbers is it and it will be spread over probably two years. Just how many proven players have we got signed on past 30th June 2016?
Seemed to be rushed through but was it? TM clearly didn't want him to go. Listening to his after match comments on Saturday then there did seem to be something going on judging by his comments about transfers. I might be reading too much in to that but I did wonder at the time.
Can we now put to bed this idea that SISU are backing a promotion push with extra funds? Personally I still think SISU have drawn a line under the finance and said get on with it sink or swim........ but still retain the final decision on the sales/purchases (as you would expect)
Bottom line is nothing in the finances has really changed, we are still in a mess, we still rely on crowds turning up and player sales............. but therein lies the conundrum we need to sell to fund the team but in so doing lose our best talent, which in turn puts at risk any success on the pitch which in its turn affects the numbers through the gates. TM has a very tough job
Can't help feeling disappointed by this however ...... seems to be the usual feeling connected with CCFC
You could argue that but the season isn't over yet NW
Agree with you ..... we seem to be developing a lot of other teams players in L1 or easing down older careers. I know a lot of teams do it but somehow I would like to see more of our own. Question how secure is the Academy set up at CCFC? That goes and I think we will be in big trouble even having said the above
Got to have the facilities for the Academy though it isn't just about the players. For instance Category 2 requires indoor training facilities. As I understood it the indoor facilities at the Higgs were worn out and needed replacing. Has that been settled, have we the finances to settle it if needed. Lose the Cat 2 we lose a chunk of funding and the spiral down continues
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