Maddison wanted by United and Spurs (2 Viewers)

ccfcway · May 11, 2015

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James Maddison will put himself forward for penalty-taking duties at Coventry City next season after an appalling campaign from 12 yards.

The Sky Blues have missed six out of their last seven spot kicks, stretching back to last season when Callum Wilson and Carl Baker fluffed their lines.

“It hasn’t been the greatest season for penalties,” said Maddison, who confirmed he has an impeccable record to date.

“I’m confident from the spot and through the Under-18s and 21s I haven’t missed one, scored nine out of nine, so if I am here next season –which I will be – I’ll hopefully get myself on them and stick them in the back of the net.

Noggin · May 11, 2015

Deleted member 5849 said:
I love it when we go down this road

It's even worse than than bringing up Andy Thorn to dismiss people with, what people thought 7 or 8 years ago is all sorts of irrelevant, especially since sisus intentions and actions then were very different indeed.

Nick · May 11, 2015

Noggin said:
It's even worse than than bringing up Andy Thorn to dismiss people with, what people thought 7 or 8 years ago is all sorts of irrelevant, especially since sisus intentions and actions then were very different indeed.

Not really, it shows people's judgement doesn't it?

Especially when the people who said things against SISU then are now classed as SISU lovers and defending them etc.

Noggin · May 11, 2015

ccfcway said:
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James Maddison will put himself forward for penalty-taking duties at Coventry City next season after an appalling campaign from 12 yards.

The Sky Blues have missed six out of their last seven spot kicks, stretching back to last season when Callum Wilson and Carl Baker fluffed their lines.

“It hasn’t been the greatest season for penalties,” said Maddison, who confirmed he has an impeccable record to date.

“I’m confident from the spot and through the Under-18s and 21s I haven’t missed one, scored nine out of nine, so if I am here next season –which I will be – I’ll hopefully get myself on them and stick them in the back of the net.

I find this sort of stuff more worrying than reassuring. we know the club use the media to advertise their players and up their price whilst those very same articles insist to us that someone isn't going anywhere. I'm not going to call people out because it's unfair and unnecessary but there were people who thought that there was no chance whatsoever of Wilson being sold that summer because of what the news articles were telling us. So hearing about how good Madison is at something in the paper doesn't make me feel safe, it feels like it has just as much chance of being an advert (don't get me wrong it could just as well be perfectly legit, it's just we have no way of knowing)

Deleted member 5849 · May 11, 2015

Noggin said:
especially since sisus intentions and actions then were very different indeed.

Hmmm, now at the risk of doing 'told you so' they're really not...

OK, I didn't pick moving the club away, but I did pick the confrontation with other parties, the desire to play games of brinkmanship and the desire to play fast and loose.I could direct you to some excellent books on the subject What I certainly got wrong is I thought we wouldn't exist by now. There's still time for that to come true, alas...

As for what people thought a while back then it is indeed good if people can be flexible enough to change. Unfortunately some show a repeated desire to accept 110% some new emperor's clothes from new sources.

Time and time and time again.

Meanwhile, there are some who overcompensate through their embarrassment at calling those who were against SISU morons, and turn into pure nutters. Once again, the absolute certainty they're right and the unstoppable juggernaught with no pause for thought causes more harm than good.

Then you get the likes of Italia and RFC...

Noggin · May 11, 2015

Nick said:
Not really, it shows people's judgement doesn't it?

No it doesn't at all. How things have turned out don't make peoples judgement poor. If you bet your house on a spin of the roulette wheel and I tell you that you are foolish, My judgement is good, your judgement is bad, if you win get yourself £8 million pounds, give up work and live a wonderful life you are going to feel pretty damn smug, you were right and I was wrong. No. Your judgement was very poor and mine was good it just so happened to work out for you. Obviously this is an extreme example but being pleased we were saved from administration even by a hedgefund (and lets be clear no one could have predicted the shocking way they would attempt to get a return) is a perfectly reasonable position and doesn't in anyway show poor judgement especially as I think most people were a bit nervous about having a hedgefund taking over though also felt some hard nosed business may be beneficial.

Deleted member 5849 · May 11, 2015

Noggin said:
(and lets be clear no one could have predicted the shocking way they would attempt to get a return) .

Back on GMK, I posted articles about such entities (may even have been SISU - alas my memory ain't what it was, GMK certainly ain't what it was! And I don't have the research tools open to me anymore to find it again) acting in terms of a stereotypical restructuring organisation for a couple of years before suddenly turning, behaving in 'bizarre' and 'irrational' ways, confronting their local council and causing untold damage... before winding the business up and leaving the town.

At the time, I was laughed at and told I was being stupid.

Now... it's always a little over-smug to do the 'told you so' but when I get this type of banging on (what's done is done, and I'll probably namecheck olderskyblue as he started this as someone who's probably changed his view, but shows little desire to call people out, and does at least keep an open mind) then it kind of annoys me, especially when certain absolute tools around here then turn the SISU apologist on me now.

Noggin · May 11, 2015

Deleted member 5849 said:
Hmmm, now at the risk of doing 'told you so' they're really not...

Of course they are, the original plan to was to make money through the success of ccfc, that changed into make money through the failure of acl whilst being willing to sacrifice ccfc. (just to be clear by saying that intentions were very different I don't mean they used to be nice people and now they aren't, I agree that they they will always have been willing to act as they have done recently, I just mean there intention was for ccfc to succeed to start with).

Nick · May 11, 2015

Noggin said:
No it doesn't at all. How things have turned out don't make peoples judgement poor. If you bet your house on a spin of the roulette wheel and I tell you that you are foolish, My judgement is good, your judgement is bad, if you win get yourself £8 million pounds, give up work and live a wonderful life you are going to feel pretty damn smug, you were right and I was wrong. No. Your judgement was very poor and mine was good it just so happened to work out for you. Obviously this is an extreme example but being pleased we were saved from administration even by a hedgefund (and lets be clear no one could have predicted the shocking way they would attempt to get a return) is a perfectly reasonable position and doesn't in anyway show poor judgement especially as I think most people were a bit nervous about having a hedgefund taking over though also felt some hard nosed business may be beneficial.

It is a bit different is it?

There are people on here who know a fair bit about Hedge Funds so said it isn't all good at all and it turns out it wasn't. It makes their judgement a lot better doesn't it? Especially as they are mostly deemed as defending SISU all of the time, just for pointing out what they said would happen in the first place.

I don't know about Hedge Funds like some people on here, but for example if a mechanic has worked with a lot of the same type of car they will know how they work. If they break down they can more than likely say "oh it is this part, this often happens with this type of car". A bit different to a red or black in the casino which is down to luck, it is experience.

Deleted member 5849 · May 11, 2015

Nick said:
I don't know about Hedge Funds like some people on here.

I don't, but I could have lent Elliott and Hoffman a couple of cracking books, expertly put together, with some wonderful production values

Noggin · May 11, 2015

Deleted member 5849 said:
Back on GMK, I posted articles about such entities (may even have been SISU - alas my memory ain't what it was, GMK certainly ain't what it was! And I don't have the research tools open to me anymore to find it again) acting in terms of a stereotypical restructuring organisation for a couple of years before suddenly turning, behaving in 'bizarre' and 'irrational' ways, confronting their local council and causing untold damage... before winding the business up and leaving the town.

At the time, I was laughed at and told I was being stupid.

Now... it's always a little over-smug to do the 'told you so' but when I get this type of banging on (what's done is done, and I'll probably namecheck olderskyblue as he started this as someone who's probably changed his view, but shows little desire to call people out, and does at least keep an open mind) then it kind of annoys me, especially when certain absolute tools around here then turn the SISU apologist on me now.

I agree with you that it was perfectly reasonable to be worried that the hedgefund would asset strip us and use complex company structuring to make off with the assets and then wind us up. I don't really accept though that is especially close to what happened and maintain no one could have predicted how they would try to get a return.

I was worried about this myself when we were taken over and you wouldn't have been criticised by me for these views even if I was overall mostly happy that we weren't going into administration. Not only for the club but for the local businesses, I think it's disgusting that the club could run up millions of pounds of debt and then clear it while local businesses go bust so I was happy to avoid that, I like to be proud of my club and I couldn't have been proud as a Leicester fan.

You have the right to say I told you so to anyone calling you stupid at that time, but it wasn't me.

Moff · May 11, 2015

Noggin said:
Your entire post but especially the second sentence is just a strawman.

Oh the irony.

Someone who has to break someones post down to prove their point, when the original poster was taking the piss, is quite clearly missing the point.

Noggin · May 11, 2015

your other short post seems to have disappeared. I was going to reply that I did listen to your post but that I felt you'd misunderstood me. I completely agree that sisu will have always been hard nosed business people willing to do anything including brinksmanship and complex business structure and law to get what they want, just to start with their plan was to succeed with ccfc.

lordsummerisle · May 11, 2015

Noggin said:
just to start with their plan was to succeed with ccfc.

Appointing Coleman as manager doesn't support that particular theory!

duffer · May 11, 2015

Samo said:
Maybe Otis, if he believes he's going to get a kick. If he has enough sense to know he won't then he might consider staying for a season and getting a bigger payday when he goes in a bigger deal in 12/18 months.

Fair comment, but also he might think that he'll never get his chance again. He could suffer either a serious injury, or a drop in form, or a new manager that doesn't like him much - any of those things might impact on the chances of him getting a deal that's probably going to be for a very significant amount of money.

If you step away from looking at it purely as a fan and were say, his dad, would you really recommend that he didn't take the deal if a top-flight club came in for him now? The odds are he'll be loaned straight out to an L1 club that plays him anyway, but for him with the added bonus of being on an awful lot more cash.

mrtrench · May 11, 2015

Nick said:
Not really, it shows people's judgement doesn't it?

Especially when the people who said things against SISU then are now classed as SISU lovers and defending them etc.

Do we really care what people thought N years ago? Surely one definition of intelligence is the ability to change one's opinion in the light of new information.

Samo · May 11, 2015

mrtrench said:
Do we really care what people thought N years ago? Surely one definition of intelligence is the ability to change one's opinion in the light of new information.

Another definition might be the ability to form a balanced view rather than the blinkered shite we tend to hear on here

Nick · May 11, 2015

mrtrench said:
Do we really care what people thought N years ago? Surely one definition of intelligence is the ability to change one's opinion in the light of new information.

I'd much rather listen to people who don't have to change their opinion every 5 minutes though, wouldn't you?

Deleted member 5849 · May 11, 2015

mrtrench said:
Do we really care what people thought N years ago? Surely one definition of intelligence is the ability to change one's opinion in the light of new information.

It is indeed. Depends how, though, doesn't it.

There's a big difference between a ship changing course to avoid an iceberg, and one that veers to port to run aground on some massive great killer rocks instead, before cruising off to meet the man-hungry cannibals waiting to feast on its crew.

Broken Hearted Sky Blue · May 11, 2015

Samo said:
Another definition might be the ability to form a balanced view rather than the blinkered shite we tend to hear on here

Presumably that will be your last post then?

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Broken Hearted Sky Blue · May 11, 2015

Deleted member 5849 said:
It is indeed. Depends how, though, doesn't it.

There's a big difference between a ship changing course to avoid an iceberg, and one that veers to port to run aground on some massive great killer rocks instead, before cruising off to meet the man-hungry cannibals waiting to feast on its crew.

I thought Joy said leave it to me Tim I'll have them eating out of my hand not I'll eat their hand must get my hearing checked

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mrtrench · May 11, 2015

Nick said:
I'd much rather listen to people who don't have to change their opinion every 5 minutes though, wouldn't you?

Sorry, haven't really been following this discussion, is that what's happening? Even so, who really cares what other people think? I enjoy debating ideas with smart people and tend to ignore the people whose opinions are not based off any facts or thought.

mrtrench · May 11, 2015

Deleted member 5849 said:
It is indeed. Depends how, though, doesn't it.

There's a big difference between a ship changing course to avoid an iceberg, and one that veers to port to run aground on some massive great killer rocks instead, before cruising off to meet the man-hungry cannibals waiting to feast on its crew.

Well, anything that can happen will happen I guess. The world is full of people who make mistakes, sometimes because they are foolish and sometimes because we don't always have all the information and have to take a punt. Personally, I tend to not have an opinion on things where I know there isn't adequate information to have one. That's why I'm agnostic.

olderskyblue · May 11, 2015

Deleted member 5849 said:
Now... it's always a little over-smug to do the 'told you so' but when I get this type of banging on (what's done is done, and I'll probably namecheck olderskyblue as he started this as someone who's probably changed his view, but shows little desire to call people out, and does at least keep an open mind) then it kind of annoys me, especially when certain absolute tools around here then turn the SISU apologist on me now.

You hadn't mentioned it for a while NW, and as your PR guru (or is it machine?) I thought it was overdue.....

FWIW, i did buy into Joe's "ticking clock" and didn't consider then that admin would be the best thing for us. I also had misgiving's about a hedge fund owning us (I had discussed this with a friend high up in the financial world who warned me) but I foolishly believed that Ranson could be the saving grace in that scenario....

Yep, my judgement on that matter was not as good as yours and LS's (I don't remember too many others saying the same as you guys back then, although looking at some posts now, you would think it was almost everyone!!)

Samo · May 11, 2015

Broken Hearted Sky Blue said:
Presumably that will be your last post then?

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Nope, why should it be?

Samo · May 11, 2015

mrtrench said:
Well, anything that can happen will happen I guess. The world is full of people who make mistakes, sometimes because they are foolish and sometimes because we don't always have all the information and have to take a punt. Personally, I tend to not have an opinion on things where I know there isn't adequate information to have one. That's why I'm agnostic.

You don't believe there is adequate information (or rather a lack of it) to discount supernatural beliefs?

Deleted member 5849 · May 11, 2015

olderskyblue said:
You hadn't mentioned it for a while NW, and as your PR guru (or is it machine?) I thought it was overdue.....

FWIW, i did buy into Joe's "ticking clock" and didn't consider then that admin would be the best thing for us. I also had misgiving's about a hedge fund owning us (I had discussed this with a friend high up in the financial world who warned me) but I foolishly believed that Ranson could be the saving grace in that scenario....

Yep, my judgement on that matter was not as good as yours and LS's (I don't remember too many others saying the same as you guys back then, although looking at some posts now, you would think it was almost everyone!!)

And hence why you are wiser than many

Many of us are wrong many times but as you say, it's the vehement denials and coninued refusal to accept anything than one path and one path only that baffles me regularly!

Nowt wrong with being wrong after all, but had SBT existed then, my like ratio would have been well down for the SISU OUT mantra... let alone my NOPM when King turned up!

torchomatic · May 11, 2015

I was the same though, OSB. I was glad to be shot of McGinnity, Robinson and Elliot and thought that a "hard nosed hedge fund" would be just the kind of outfit who would sort us out and drag us kicking and screaming into the 21st Century and make a success of us. The last thing I wanted was admin.

How wrong I was, eh?

olderskyblue said:
You hadn't mentioned it for a while NW, and as your PR guru (or is it machine?) I thought it was overdue.....

FWIW, i did buy into Joe's "ticking clock" and didn't consider then that admin would be the best thing for us. I also had misgiving's about a hedge fund owning us (I had discussed this with a friend high up in the financial world who warned me) but I foolishly believed that Ranson could be the saving grace in that scenario....

Yep, my judgement on that matter was not as good as yours and LS's (I don't remember too many others saying the same as you guys back then, although looking at some posts now, you would think it was almost everyone!!)

Broken Hearted Sky Blue · May 11, 2015

torchomatic said:
I was the same though, OSB. I was glad to be shot of McGinnity, Robinson and Elliot and thought that a "hard nosed hedge fund" would be just the kind of outfit who would sort us out and drag us kicking and screaming into the 21st Century and make a success of us. The last thing I wanted was admin.

How wrong I was, eh?

I agree oh how I wish we could be dragged kicking and screaming back to the twentieth century

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Noggin · May 11, 2015

lordsummerisle said:
Appointing Coleman as manager doesn't support that particular theory!

There you go, thats how to make a joke.

Broken Hearted Sky Blue · May 11, 2015

Samo said:
Nope, why should it be?

We all have to have hope,without hope there is nothing.

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Samo · May 11, 2015

Broken Hearted Sky Blue said:
We all have to have hope,without hope there is nothing.

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That's rather unkind. Because you don't agree with my views you'd rather I didn't post?

Broken Hearted Sky Blue · May 11, 2015

Samo said:
That's rather unkind. Because you don't agree with my views you'd rather I didn't post?

I was joking my friend,and in the spirit of SBT that leaves you with the opening where you can say you're no friend of mine and we can argue,you gotta love this site. How do you get smiley thingies on tapatalk?

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Samo · May 11, 2015

Broken Hearted Sky Blue said:
I was joking my friend,and in the spirit of SBT that leaves you with the opening where you can say you're no friend of mine and we can argue,you gotta love this site. How do you get smiley thingies on tapatalk?

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You're no friend of mine... lets argue!

I don't use tapatalk so can't help there.

Astute · May 11, 2015

Broken Hearted Sky Blue said:
I was joking my friend,and in the spirit of SBT that leaves you with the opening where you can say you're no friend of mine and we can argue,you gotta love this site. How do you get smiley thingies on tapatalk?

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