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skybluericoh · Feb 23, 2024

bigfatronssba said:
Ipswich’s post 2010 attendances weren’t great in the championship. They weren’t getting anything that we wouldn’t have got if we’d been in that position at the time.

Like us, going down and then rebuilding seems to have grown their support

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Ipswich, Norwich are both well supported, but you also need to take into account the geographical proximity of other teams. For them they are local rivals, I’m not sure but I would guess that there is something like 60 miles between them, so no pull on the fan base. We have something like 9 league 1 or above teams that close to us. I know people who support festa, villa, blues wolves and Stoke that also go now and again to the CBS.
We can’t even have the same local rivalry.
alAlso do they have any other sports team besides? Don’t know but not heard of rugby or anything over that way.

HadjiChippo · Feb 23, 2024

bigfatronssba said:
Not this thing about population sizes again. We know that it’s not comparable.

Has people believing that Coventry is bigger than Leicester & Nottingham

the point is Ipswich is a really well supported club because despite being just a large town with a few towns around it, they can bring in 30,000+ crowds, and averages of 26,000 in league one is insane for a town.

By comparison we have access to a larger pool of locals, yet they still regularly get higher avg attendances, and we for some reason have to go back to the 60s and talk about 30,000 plus avg attendances to try and diminish that.

Ipswich’s population in the 60s was about 100,000, ours was nearly 3 times higher, of course we’d pull in much higher crowds (though the 60s crowd statistics I could find were sparse and limited)

bigfatronssba · Feb 23, 2024

HadjiChippo said:
the point is Ipswich is a really well supported club because despite being just a large town with a few towns around it, they can bring in 30,000+ crowds, and averages of 26,000 in league one is insane for a town.

By comparison we have access to a larger pool of locals, yet they still regularly get higher avg attendances, and we for some reason have to go back to the 60s and talk about 30,000 plus avg attendances to try and diminish that.

Ipswich’s population in the 60s was about 100,000, ours was nearly 3 times higher, of course we’d pull in much higher crowds (though the 60s crowd statistics I could find were sparse and limited)

Portman Road has a capacity of 29k so 30k+ crowds might be a bit of a stretch!

Ipswich are the same as any other club that spent a long period going through mediocrity who have suddenly come good. Of course they’re going to get good crowds.

If you rank every club across the decades Ipswich are the 24th best supported club in the country. On the same measure we’re the 25th best supported club so there isn’t much in it.

As for population, Suffolk has around 750k people in it. I’d say that is similar to our catchment area

HadjiChippo · Feb 23, 2024

bigfatronssba said:
Portman Road has a capacity of 29k so 30k+ crowds might be a bit of a stretch!

Ipswich are the same as any other club that spent a long period going through mediocrity who have suddenly come good. Of course they’re going to get good crowds.

If you rank every club across the decades Ipswich are the 24th best supported club in the country. On the same measure we’re the 25th best supported club so there isn’t much in it.

As for population, Suffolk has around 750k people in it. I’d say that is similar to our catchment area

I’m talking about attendances pre all seater stadium days, Ipswich’s record attendance is 38000+

A good portion of Suffolk would probably see Norwich as their local team. We have the entirety of Warwickshire where we’re the closest big team, as well as being a large city on top of that. We’re surrounded by decent sized towns that are literally 10 minute drive away, although I concede we have to contend with numerous big clubs for support (Leicester, Brum, Villa etc.,)

Ipswich is isolated away from Suffolks largest towns (Lowestoft the largest being more local to Norwich), and is far for most away support too, whereas we benefit from being in the middle of the country and easy to travel to.

Alan Dugdales Moustache · Feb 23, 2024

Brylowes said:
One of the best supported clubs in the land, I’m not sure what makes you say that.

Their attendances this season have been decent & 21,000 last season isn’t bad either, but before that you have to go back to 2010 to find the last time they hit 20,000.

They have managed an average in excess of 20,000 in 24 seasons in their history and have never had a season average in excess of 30,000, this despite winning the League Championship, the FA Cup & the Cup Winners Cup and numerous seasons qualifying for and competing in European competition.

We on the other hand have managed an average in excess of 20,000 in 27 seasons including 3 of over 30,000.

When did we last average over 30,000 ? I've been watching city since 1975 and even under the best years of Gordon Milne when we finished in the top half we never averaged over 24,000. So you are going back a very long way.
This season's average will be the best for 50 years plus.
Ipswich averaged more than that in league 1 last season .They are an extremely well supported club..

Alan Dugdales Moustache · Feb 23, 2024

bigfatronssba said:
Portman Road has a capacity of 29k so 30k+ crowds might be a bit of a stretch!

Ipswich are the same as any other club that spent a long period going through mediocrity who have suddenly come good. Of course they’re going to get good crowds.

If you rank every club across the decades Ipswich are the 24th best supported club in the country. On the same measure we’re the 25th best supported club so there isn’t much in it.

As for population, Suffolk has around 750k people in it. I’d say that is similar to our catchment area

If you are going to include Suffolk as the catchment area then you need to include the entire population of Warwickshire as our catchment area.

bigfatronssba · Feb 23, 2024

HadjiChippo said:
I’m talking about attendances pre all seater stadium days, Ipswich’s record attendance is 38000+

A good portion of Suffolk would probably see Norwich as their local team. We have the entirety of Warwickshire where we’re the closest big team, as well as being a large city on top of that. We’re surrounded by decent sized towns that are literally 10 minute drive away, although I concede we have to contend with numerous big clubs for support (Leicester, Brum, Villa etc.,)

Ipswich is isolated away from Suffolks largest towns (Lowestoft the largest being more local to Norwich), and is far for most away support too, whereas we benefit from being in the middle of the country and easy to travel to.

I would argue that this is our catchment area.

Population within that is about 790k, which is similar to Suffolk.

Like you say there might be some parts of Suffolk that support Norwich, but its fair to say the vast majority of the county would see Ipswich as their team

bigfatronssba · Feb 23, 2024

Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
If you are going to include Suffolk as the catchment area then you need to include the entire population of Warwickshire as our catchment area.

Why?

Historically Birmingham & Villa were Warwickshire clubs as well. And places like Stratford and Henley in Arden are just as close to them as they are to us.

bigfatronssba · Feb 23, 2024

Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
When did we last average over 30,000 ?

More recently than Ipswich

SkyBlueSoul · Feb 23, 2024

TractorTalk

HadjiChippo · Feb 23, 2024

bigfatronssba said:
I would argue that this is our catchment area.

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Population within that is about 790k, which is similar to Suffolk.

Like you say there might be some parts of Suffolk that support Norwich, but its fair to say the vast majority of the county would see Ipswich as their team

I’d say that’s probably about right, Stratford U-A technically is in Warwickshire but it’s not somewhere I’d consider a stronghold of support for us or even a place with a large football following (not sure though)

However of the two largest places in Suffolk (excluding Ipswich) Lowestoft is about an 1 and 20 mins away, and Bury st Edmunds is basically in the middle of Norwich/Ipswich. This probably explains why we’re so close in support numbers.

I’m not saying Ipswich is massive or dwarfs us or anything, just saying their support is impressive in its own right and definitely one of the best supported teams in the country, just as I’d defend us being a well supported club. If we went up next season I think we’d average 30,000+ as long as health and safety allowed, and Ipswich would fill Portman Road every week in the Prem. I mean, They got a 26,000 avg in league one. That’s a well supported club.

Ashdown · Feb 23, 2024

bigfatronssba said:
I would argue that this is our catchment area.

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Population within that is about 790k, which is similar to Suffolk.

Like you say there might be some parts of Suffolk that support Norwich, but its fair to say the vast majority of the county would see Ipswich as their team

Err excuse me, you’ve excluded the enclave of Sky Blue in SW Leics ?

bigfatronssba · Feb 23, 2024

Ashdown said:
Err excuse me, you’ve excluded the enclave of Sky Blue in SW Leics ?

Whilst we do have support there, would you say we outnumber Leicester in that area?

bigfatronssba · Feb 23, 2024

HadjiChippo said:
I’d say that’s probably about right, Stratford U-A technically is in Warwickshire but it’s not somewhere I’d consider a stronghold of support for us or even a place with a large football following (not sure though)

However of the two largest places in Suffolk (excluding Ipswich) Lowestoft is about an 1 and 20 mins away, and Bury st Edmunds is basically in the middle of Norwich/Ipswich. This probably explains why we’re so close in support numbers.

I’m not saying Ipswich is massive or dwarfs us or anything, just saying their support is impressive in its own right and definitely one of the best supported teams in the country, just as I’d defend us being a well supported club. If we went up next season I think we’d average 30,000+ as long as health and safety allowed, and Ipswich would fill Portman Road every week in the Prem. I mean, They got a 26,000 avg in league one. That’s a well supported club.

I think a lot of it isn't comparable to be honest. Every club has its own backstory that affects crowds.

If we had been playing at the CBS in 2019-20, and Covid never happened, what sort of crowds would we have been getting?

I doubt 26k as an average, but I think towards the end of that season when we were on that great run we would've started pulling in well over 20k

CV22SBA · Feb 23, 2024

Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
When did we last average over 30,000 ? I've been watching city since 1975 and even under the best years of Gordon Milne when we finished in the top half we never averaged over 24,000. So you are going back a very long way.
This season's average will be the best for 50 years plus.
Ipswich averaged more than that in league 1 last season .They are an extremely well supported club..

Before most of us on here were even born i would imagine. I started going 1981.

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mmttww · Feb 23, 2024

This thread has gone a bit weird!

Tommo1993 · Feb 23, 2024

skybluecam said:
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Maidstone with the commemorative scarves- we’re fucking massive!

Could’ve done with one of these when people went mad and started clearing the shelves of toilet roll.

HadjiChippo · Feb 23, 2024

bigfatronssba said:
I think a lot of it isn't comparable to be honest. Every club has its own backstory that affects crowds.

If we had been playing at the CBS in 2019-20, and Covid never happened, what sort of crowds would we have been getting?

I doubt 26k as an average, but I think towards the end of that season when we were on that great run we would've started pulling in well over 20k

Definitely. I think our ownership issues are a big part of that also. Fans less likely to put hands in pockets if they want the owners gone. Just a more positive vibe around the team with Sisu gone.

Ipswich were also buoyed by the fact they had big money ownership come in for them in their league one push.

Alan Dugdales Moustache · Feb 23, 2024

bigfatronssba said:
Why?

Historically Birmingham & Villa were Warwickshire clubs as well. And places like Stratford and Henley in Arden are just as close to them as they are to us.

Are you going to include Hinckley and parts of Leicestershire ? Because using that logic you should include them in our catchment area .
I'll raise you Lutterworth and even Daventry in Northants.

It’sabatch87 · Feb 23, 2024

Anyway I’m going for Coventry City 6-0 Maidstone United

Alan Dugdales Moustache · Feb 23, 2024

SkyBlueSoul said:
TractorTalk

I've got 20 acres.....

David O'Day · Feb 23, 2024

NWS said:
Be easy to get out the car I guess

you've not seen the nightmare that is our official car parks

you may want to leave early just because of that

Tommo1993 · Feb 23, 2024

It’sabatch87 said:
Anyway I’m going for Coventry City 6-0 Maidstone United

Oi! Stop offending people with your disrespect!

shmmeee · Feb 23, 2024

Het probleem op

bigfatronssba said:
I would argue that this is our catchment area.

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Population within that is about 790k, which is similar to Suffolk.

Like you say there might be some parts of Suffolk that support Norwich, but its fair to say the vast majority of the county would see Ipswich as their team

Random aside this should be the combined authority not WMCA

David O'Day · Feb 23, 2024

Tommo1993 said:
Oi! Stop offending people with your disrespect!

i know, that is disrespectful to us, it'll be that by half time

wingy · Feb 23, 2024

Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
I've got 20 acres.....

Yeah but what of?

Brylowes · Feb 23, 2024

HadjiChippo said:
I’m talking about attendances pre all seater stadium days, Ipswich’s record attendance is 38000+

A good portion of Suffolk would probably see Norwich as their local team. We have the entirety of Warwickshire where we’re the closest big team, as well as being a large city on top of that. We’re surrounded by decent sized towns that are literally 10 minute drive away, although I concede we have to contend with numerous big clubs for support (Leicester, Brum, Villa etc.,)

Ipswich is isolated away from Suffolks largest towns (Lowestoft the largest being more local to Norwich), and is far for most away support too, whereas we benefit from being in the middle of the country and easy to travel to.

I’ve lived in Lowestoft since 1981 and I can tell you that the prominent team here is Ipswich, the town is dissected by the river Waveney and there is a fair proportion of Norwich fans in the North side (nearest the Norfolk border, but Ipswich far outnumber Norwich in this town.
I personally know at least 50 season ticket holders.

pusbccfc · Feb 23, 2024

For those worried about not being able to sit in a standing area... This is at Man United. No problems at all. In fact, arguably comfier with someone to slouch on.

Alan Dugdales Moustache · Feb 23, 2024

I'm going Cov 1 Maidstone 1
I don't even know if there is a replay in the event of a draw but if so it'll go to a penalty shoot out and City to edge it.

Alan Dugdales Moustache · Feb 23, 2024

pusbccfc said:
For those worried about not being able to sit in a standing area... This is at Man United. No problems at all. In fact, arguably comfier with someone to slouch on.

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That's the ultimate safe seating.

Brylowes · Feb 23, 2024

HadjiChippo said:
I’d be interested to see where you're seeing these numbers, even during the 90s we only had 3 seasons where we averaged over 20,000. And in our post premier league years we’ve only averaged over 20,000 three times (including this season)

Ipswich averaged 26,000 in league one last season and 21000+ the season before that. Since 2000 their average attendances have definitely been better than ours. In fact between 2000 and 2010 they didn’t dip below 20,000 avg attendance once, whilst we were struggling to get above 18000 regularly and went as low as 14,000 a few times.

you also have to take into account Coventrys population is around twice the size of Ipswich’s.

All the statistics for all clubs are available on this site.

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwiEnYqJt8GEAxURUkEAHVQcD5wQFnoECBQQAQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Feuropean-football-statistics.co.uk%2Fattnclub%2Fleague%2Fcovc.htm&usg=AOvVaw1Z7AqPTJ52zPdzmEkIkX7r&opi=89978449

Population, not sure what that has to do with anything.
ADM in his post claimed Ipswich were one of the best supported clubs in the land, I was merely stating that I don’t believe that to be the case and referencing some available statistics to make my point, the comparison I’ve made with Coventry’s historical attendances are purely to provide some context.

I’m not sure anyone on here would claim that we (Coventry City ) are one of the best supported clubs in the land, would they.

Ipswich have an all time average home crowd of 18,062 and are ranked 24th.
And funnily enough:
Coventry have an all time average home crowd of 17,196 and are ranked 25th.

So there’s really not that much between them but I honestly don’t think either club could be considered one of the Country’s best supported clubs.

As an aside, and I haven’t done the maths, without the 2 ground sharing season would our all time home average be above there’s.

Darth Robins · Feb 23, 2024

There's a few people in this thread that need to get Maidstoned.

HadjiChippo · Feb 23, 2024

Brylowes said:
All the statistics for all clubs are available on this site.

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwiEnYqJt8GEAxURUkEAHVQcD5wQFnoECBQQAQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Feuropean-football-statistics.co.uk%2Fattnclub%2Fleague%2Fcovc.htm&usg=AOvVaw1Z7AqPTJ52zPdzmEkIkX7r&opi=89978449

Population, not sure what that has to do with anything.
ADM in his post claimed Ipswich were one of the best supported clubs in the land, I was merely stating that I don’t believe that to be the case and referencing some available statistics to make my point, the comparison I’ve made with Coventry’s historical attendances are purely to provide some context.

I’m not sure anyone on here would claim that we (Coventry City ) are one of the best supported clubs in the land, would they.

Ipswich have an all time average home crowd of 18,062 and are ranked 24th.
And funnily enough:
Coventry have an all time average home crowd of 17,196 and are ranked 25th.

So there’s really not that much between them but I honestly don’t think either club could be considered one of the Country’s best supported clubs.

As an aside, and I haven’t done the maths, without the 2 ground sharing season would our all time home average be above there’s.

Population size is huge for non elite clubs, it’s where the vast majority of your supporter base are either going to come from or live. We have Nearly half a million people within short driving/bus route distance to the stadium. Ipswich have about 180,000 In their town and close surrounding area (Lowestoft being over an hour away and bury st being nearly an hour away isn’t what I’d consider close)

There’s 40,000+ association football clubs in England and we’re both in the top 25? That’s literally in the top 10% of the 1% and dwarfs some sides currently in the prem and majority of teams in the football league.

The six fields and St Andrews seasons are such statistical anomalies for us it would be unfair to include them in the overall average statistics, but not sure if that website has included or not

coop · Feb 23, 2024

Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
I'm going Cov 1 Maidstone 1
I don't even know if there is a replay in the event of a draw but if so it'll go to a penalty shoot out and City to edge it.

I think we will win at a canter play Palmer saka Wright far too much up top for semi professional players to cope with.

usskyblue · Feb 23, 2024

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