Which is a large part of our problem. It obviously won't happen but I personally would love it if Chelsea/Man Utd/Arsenal etc merchandise was banned from being sold in the city sports shops...
That's always been the way though hasn't it? Its always been fairly apathetic.
Birmingham City (naturally!) weren't happy about this: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-25433028
But the idea's sound for a one club city.
Well... a (hopefully some time soon!) one club city(!)
By itself it's nothing, but it does need that awareness creeping in all over the place.
With the ground on the geographical outskirts of the city nowadays (yes yes, I know!) all the more reason/need to have it creep into the centre, too.
I think the community work the club was doing at least until last season was actually very good. However Coventry should feel like Sky Blue City, as awfully cheesy as that sounds-OK not everybody's a football fan but it should give people something in common to be proud of.
Yeah, it's again the irony with our owners really. It's one of the things I was sad enough to write in and complain about, and they did, to their credit, reel off a list of things they did do in the community.
Problem was, you'd never know they did a lot of it unless you were looking for it.
I think the community work the club was doing at least until last season was actually very good. However Coventry should feel like Sky Blue City, as awfully cheesy as that sounds-OK not everybody's a football fan but it should give people something in common to be proud of.
Interesting the appetite for a Phoenix has diminished somewhat.
Yes, it seems they've taken an even more drastic step, ie not caring about football in Coventry AT ALL.
Trouble is 44 years with no top 6 finish and with the only consistency shown being that of consistent failure, the club has absolutely no goodwill to fall back on. The problem isn't the fans on forums like these who talk/threaten about walking away if 'things' carry on as they are, its the 100's who are and have just given up without any fanfare at all. The one battle SISU can never hope to win is with the vast majority of fans who have steadfastly refused to follow them outside the City. Its one thing to be at war with CCC/ACL, but quite another to effectively declare war on your customers.
Trouble is 44 years with no top 6 finish and with the only consistency shown being that of consistent failure, the club has absolutely no goodwill to fall back on. The problem isn't the fans on forums like these who talk/threaten about walking away if 'things' carry on as they are, its the 100's who are and have just given up without any fanfare at all. The one battle SISU can never hope to win is with the vast majority of fans who have steadfastly refused to follow them outside the City. Its one thing to be at war with CCC/ACL, but quite another to effectively declare war on your customers.
Not getting at you, but I don't get this all 44 years of failure bollocks because we haven't had a top 6 finish. An FA Cup and 34 years in the top flight was a massive achievement. Is finishing 6th in league two really better than playing top flight football.
The truth is we never realised how good we had it back then.
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If they'd been the bigger man in the summer and negotiated a 3 year deal instead of the grandstanding (or even better if they'd not put us into admin at all) then this season's festivities could've been played out not just on the message boards but at the ground and if they do have a solid case against the council you'd expect most to get on board.
Unless, of course, there is no solid case against the council and they didn't want to risk being on the wrong end of fan anger. Apathy plays far better than anger after all.
ACL said:Yes, Chris West and Paul Harris were advised post 29 January 2013 meeting during a follow up discussion with Tim Fisher, Mark Labovitch and John Clarke, that the Club wanted a three year run off period. This was totally rejected by the ACL representatives.
So you do get it?
It didn't feel like success at the time, so it wasn't a success.
For a kid in Africa a hot meal feels like a successful day, probably not for you. It's OK people telling you there's others worse off, but ultimately we don't care if it's not us. We always felt like the underdogs in the Prem, but had been there too long to have that spirit.
But that was still a success, and with hindsight people still say "44 years without success/top 6". Yet on the flip side many still see us a sleeping giant/PL club in waiting/get back where we belong, etc. so they obviously do view those 34 years as a success.
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But that was still a success, and with hindsight people still say "44 years without success/top 6". Yet on the flip side many still see us a sleeping giant/PL club in waiting/get back where we belong, etc. so they obviously do view those 34 years as a success.
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Not getting at you, but I don't get this all 44 years of failure bollocks because we haven't had a top 6 finish. An FA Cup and 34 years in the top flight was a massive achievement. Is finishing 6th in league two really better than playing top flight football.
The truth is we never realised how good we had it back then.
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So you do get it?
It didn't feel like success at the time, so it wasn't a success.
For a kid in Africa a hot meal feels like a successful day, probably not for you. It's OK people telling you there's others worse off, but ultimately we don't care if it's not us. We always felt like the underdogs in the Prem, but had been there too long to have that spirit.
Actually for those who were there at the time it did feel like success and also it was taken for granted.
Ask Leicester if success would be 34 years from now and still be in the premiership or a few relegations and promotions and what would it be. Mixing with the big boys every season was success.
And to be clear, I'm not stating that it's not success, just that I don't think the majority saw it as that at the time.
Not getting at you, but I don't get this all 44 years of failure bollocks because we haven't had a top 6 finish. An FA Cup and 34 years in the top flight was a massive achievement. Is finishing 6th in league two really better than playing top flight football.
The truth is we never realised how good we had it back then.
When we were in the Premiership and lost 2-0 or 3-0 to Man Utd did the fans leave Highfield Road and say well that's not too bad losing to one of the best teams in Europe? No of course not, fans want to watch a winning team at whatever level. Look at the fans reaction when we got 2 late goals in the 'poxy' JPT trophy against Preston, did they say well its only a Mickey Mouse lower league only cup match, well not where I was sitting.
Statistically you have at least a 25% chance of being a top 6 side every season, to fail to do even once in 44 years is utterly unbelievable.
The league is your bread and butter, and whether it was the Premiership, Championship or Division 1 we have virtually never even threatened a top 6 finish never mind obtain one. Leicester have managed 2 promotions in the last 3/4 years, the only thing we seem to ever celebrate is a successful relegation fight, and we have had plenty of those over the years.
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Totally agree.I dunno, I'm 33 next month and growing up I was surrounded by Man Utd, Villa, Liverpool, etc. fans and never felt successful.
I'd imagine that's the same for most younger than me and a fair few older.
And to be clear, I'm not stating that it's not success, just that I don't think the majority saw it as that at the time.
Totally agree.
Success is not seen as scratching around at the bottom of the league for 30 plus years, fans get pissed off with it, then apathy sets in.
Having said that a couple of decent season's maybe a playoff push or automatic promotion, I think we'd see a big upsurge in support. Our present situation leads me to think that could be a long way off, sadly.
Totally agree.
Success is not seen as scratching around at the bottom of the league for 30 plus years, fans get pissed off with it, then apathy sets in.
Having said that a couple of decent season's maybe a playoff push or automatic promotion, I think we'd see a big upsurge in support. Our present situation leads me to think that could be a long way off, sadly.
Not quite true though.
I'd still be all for offers made direct to the club rather than via media/football league.
(Hell, send them recorded delivery, or by kissogram, or something)
I still think the flush out all motives is the best approach, so I'd still be pressuring the city council to find some land to offer the club if they want it, and to publicly announce they'd help them with the planning permission etc.
And I'd like councillors to stop saying the club's a sideshow wrt the Ricoh, and instead say that yes, if it did come back they'd like it to be central to the Ricoh.
All things that can be done by 'the other side' relatively easily, all things that are to the advantage of the football club if taken up on, and are to the advantage of their own position if not.
Imagine the outcry if the club says it's building a ground, here's the committee... and then refuse the offer of land within the city in favour of something five miles away! It'd force them to either publicly reveal Warwick University or something similar as their option, or it'd expose their whole position as a delaying/obfusicating tactic.
So why not pressure the other side to do that?
A football club comes higher on our list than housing.
Hence the lobbying thread.
It's our job to show a football club's more important than housing!
Not getting at you, but I don't get this all 44 years of failure bollocks because we haven't had a top 6 finish. An FA Cup and 34 years in the top flight was a massive achievement. Is finishing 6th in league two really better than playing top flight football.
The truth is we never realised how good we had it back then.
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A football club comes higher on our list than housing.
Hence the lobbying thread.
It's our job to show a football club's more important than housing!
I await your pole to evaluate the situation CCFC is in. I will gladly take part.
Statistically you have at least a 25% chance of being a top 6 side every season, to fail to do even once in 44 years is utterly unbelievable.
Seems that there will actually be no decline in attendances next season then.
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