I think there’s a discussion if we are open to it to change our own actions from the wisdom of those around us. I often think on here that we share a football team but that means we don’t share so much of everything else and in these days of only reading or listening to what you agree that is gold dust! Only if we are willing to entertain the thought that we may have things to learn and may be wrong on certain things we hold dear. Maybe it’s a naive thing to believe I’m not always right and don’t know everything. I really don’t know anymore! So many people seem so sure of everything and that they are right and everyone else is wrong. Maybe it’s a lack of self worth or confidence in me. At my best I think it’s my most useful character trait and at my worst, which is more often, I think ffs stand for something, be brave and tell people how things should be. However when I do that I find people stop listening
Thats fair enough, I apologise. I seem to recall a couple of years ago people commenting on how this wasn't being condemned - guess these statements didn't get in the news much.Is that right? Here’s a statement from the MCB after the 2005 London bombings, as far as I know the first major Islamist attack in the U.K.: http://archive.mcb.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Signed_Ulama_statement.pdf
Then the 2007 Glasgow airport attack, here they are in the aftermath saying condemnation isn’t enough and vowing to work more with the police:
Muslim Council of Britain declares 'condemnation is not enough'
Britain's most influential Muslim umbrella group today signalled a major shift in policy as it urged its communities to play a key and potentially decisive role in the fight against terrorism.www.theguardian.com
Here they are condemning the attacker of Labour MP Stephen Timms in 2010:Woman jailed for life for attack on MP Stephen Timms
Here’s their statement on Lee Rigby, 2013: Muslim Council of Britain on the Woolwich Verdict - Muslim Council of Britain (MCB)
The 2017 Westminster attack: Westminster Attack: Call for Solidarity and Prayer - Muslim Council of Britain (MCB)
The MEN Arena bomb later that year: Manchester Attack: Muslim Council of Britain Statement - Muslim Council of Britain (MCB)
The 2017 London Bridge attack: London Bridge Attack: Muslim Council of Britain Response - Muslim Council of Britain (MCB)
The 2019 London Bridge attack: Muslim Council of Britain Responds to London Bridge Attack - Muslim Council of Britain (MCB)
The 2020 Streatham attack: Muslim Council of Britain Responds to Streatham Attack - Muslim Council of Britain (MCB)
Did I miss any?
I think there’s a discussion if we are open to it to change our own actions from the wisdom of those around us. I often think on here that we share a football team but that means we don’t share so much of everything else and in these days of only reading or listening to what you agree that is gold dust! Only if we are willing to entertain the thought that we may have things to learn and may be wrong on certain things we hold dear. Maybe it’s a naive thing to believe I’m not always right and don’t know everything. I really don’t know anymore! So many people seem so sure of everything and that they are right and everyone else is wrong. Maybe it’s a lack of self worth or confidence in me. At my best I think it’s my most useful character trait and at my worst, which is more often, I think ffs stand for something, be brave and tell people how things should be. However when I do that I find people stop listening
I find that I work from the basis that if I think one thing and someone else says something different that I must be wrong. As you say if that person seems confident it’s harder to stick to what you originally thought. Which I guess is how organised religion was able to exert so much influence for so long
Thats fair enough, I apologise. I seem to recall a couple of years ago people commenting on how this wasn't being condemned - guess these statements didn't get in the news much.
I tend to be the opposite - I think I'm right. But I'll listen/read their point of view and take it on board and it can make me realise I've missed something or the've thought of something that can improve my own thoughts. If someone has expertise on the issue then I'll question myself more but I won't automatically assume they're completely right. As with anything if they're very entrenched in a particular subject they can miss factors outside of that influence. For example the economists vs the health pro's on Brexit - massive dispairty on both sides because of the position they're coming from and the similar minded people around them.
But as you say I've found that being confident in what you say makes a big difference because people believe you more if you seem to have that conviction. Hence why the likes of Trump, the rich and the posh hold so much sway, possibly because they've had a lifetime of having people never question them so they've built up this internal belief that they're right.
Many people kicking off at Macron's reaction to this.
Twitter is an absolute cesspit today.
When is it not
Are they really saying it’s justified?This is seems a bit extra actually.
Someone got beheaded and thousands are out in force claiming it was justified. That ideology does not belong in a civilised society.
Are they really saying it’s justified?
Yep absolute victim mentality. I’m a very considerate guy but any of my Muslim friends that takes offence at anything I say or look at need to not listen or not look, it really is as simple as thatThat's the first comment on BBC World news tweet.
He contradicts himself, as I read that as the teacher was in the wrong and execution was justified.
That's the first comment on BBC World news tweet.
He contradicts himself, as I read that as the teacher was in the wrong and execution was justified.
Not that I'd like to get into the habit of speaking on behalf of Twitter randoms, but they explicitly say the murder was wrong
My advice to people getting wound up by crazy folk on Twitter is.....don't read Twitter (it's crazy and doesn't represent any meaningful bloc of society)
A lot of the posts I have seen go absolutely no way into saying the murder was wrong. Really not sure why you are trying to defend them.
It's one thing to try and fight against an extreme ideology, but it is another when others are helping them.
The fuck is wrong with people?French media sources saying a woman has been beheaded in a church in Nice.
France attack: Three killed in 'Islamist terrorist' stabbings
President Macron says France will not give up its values after the attack at the Notre-Dame basilica.www.bbc.co.uk
Don't hold your breath.Erdogans rhetoric didn't help this situation I'm certain. He needs to feel some pain over this.
Whereas he’s likely to be ecstaticErdogans rhetoric didn't help this situation I'm certain. He needs to feel some pain over this.
Queue the normal crew on here who will say we're all wrong for assuming its a terror attack. We can't assume it is terrorists (although it has terrorism written all over it) and that the culprit was just a bit insane and should be given a nice comfy room at the Savoy over a prison cell. The sort of soft cunts that pander to these cunts that allow them to carry on doing what they do.French media sources saying a woman has been beheaded in a church in Nice.
Queue the normal crew on here who will say we're all wrong for assuming its a terror attack. We can't assume it is terrorists (although it has terrorism written all over it) and that the culprit was just a bit insane and should be given a nice comfy room at the Savoy over a prison cell. The sort of soft cunts that pander to these cunts that allow them to carry on doing what they do.
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You will never stop someone picking up a kitchen knife or jumping into a car to create havoc. It will always be a case of observation and picking up the pieces.How do you tackle militant Islam? It feels pretty hopeless
How do you tackle militant Islam? It feels pretty hopeless
How do you tackle militant Islam? It feels pretty hopeless
It’s as hopeless as people want it to be
Why do we always have people who feel the need to post something like this on threads when every post is condemning the horrendous and inexcusable event?Queue the normal crew on here who will say we're all wrong for assuming its a terror attack. We can't assume it is terrorists (although it has terrorism written all over it) and that the culprit was just a bit insane and should be given a nice comfy room at the Savoy over a prison cell. The sort of soft cunts that pander to these cunts that allow them to carry on doing what they do.
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