Manager Next Season (6 Viewers)

I agree with Nick, if we advertised there would be a long list of applicants. There are an awful amount of experienced managers out there out of work plus a lot of budding managers just finishing there careers who would jump at managing us.

They would rather be in work rather thans sat on there arses at home.

The Rev

Mumford and Daughter said:

no way , theyd be plenbty out of work intersted

look at dave jones went to sheffield wed

wilson at sheffield utd

etc....

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Both massive clubs who can rely on 20,000 plus attendances.
Don't both own their own grounds?

We are a debt ridden, rent-paying club with a huge deficit and declining attendance figures.

We will be punching above our weight again next season

CovLis86 said:

Stick with Thorn, if not, roll the dice for Tisdale. Save him from the turmoil at Exeter, he could be a great manager in the future.

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Tisdale turned down Forest (when they were wealthy), Charlton and one of the Sheffield clubs, amongst others.

He won't risk his growing reputation on us.

I would expect Gould or Peter Reid or some ex-pro looking for his first job

The Reverend Skyblue said:

I agree with Nick, if we advertised there would be a long list of applicants. There are an awful amount of experienced managers out there out of work plus a lot of budding managers just finishing there careers who would jump at managing us.

They would rather be in work rather thans sat on there arses at home.

The Rev

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Then they will decide they would rather sit on their arses after they see the wages we are offering to the applicant and the budget they have to work in.

It would be a lower league appointment with little experience looking to make a name for himself or someone already inside the club, I honestly can't see anything else with these owners in place.

TommyAtkins said:

Radical it is. But what was the alternative. Spending more borrowed money?

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The championship is a relatively poor league imo, I think only a fraction of the wages saved in the summer or fee received for Juke would have been needed to keep us up.

I know naff all about business so don't like these conversations but surely the money needed to keep us up could have have been recouped by retaining our championship status?

LastGarrison said:

So why the hell would Carsley want this to be his first venture into football management?

Anyway, from a personal point of view I am sure there are some lower league managers who would relish the challenge of being at a big(ger) club.

I know next to fuck all about lower league football but the first club and manager I googled were Crewe, chap called Steve Davis had a few lower league jobs, seems to have done alright recently and is a Brummie to boot. You're telling me someone like him wouldn't be interested in the Cov job?

Also, some may see it as a poisoned challice but others may see it as a no lose situation. Everyone knows what shit we're in, have no money etc. so it's hardly going to damage their career if they do fuck all with fuck all is it?

I don't know the answer but I do know that on boards like these Thorn has been slagged off for making mistakes as a new manager and how we needed someone with more experience but now all of a sudden everyone wants to give Carsley the job who has no managerial experience at all.

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A no lose situation? Doesn't matter if they do fuck all with fuck all? Wasn't that what everyone said about thorn when he was appointed - now people on here and other forums who are slagging him off are saying he'll never get another management job, etc.

As things stand, I would keep Thorn.

I am not sure I have seen quite so many baffling tactical decisions as others on here... sometimes I am frustrated, but this has not happened every game and I could not name a City manager who didn't frustrate me at one time or another through their minute by minute influence on a game. The fact we have hired and fired too freely since I have been supporting the Club is not a get out of jail card, but it does impact on my decision. Thorn attempts to play more of a passing game than the likes of Boothroyd. It has not worked this season and we have been relegated (although we are all aware that the performance of the board and of senior players has been a huge contributing factor). At times, the little triangles played around the midfield have frustrated. None of this means I want a departure from this inclination to play football (although, I acknowledge you would be hard pressed to describe us as a footballing side with our recent tactics of hoofing it up to Platt, but I think this is borne of desperation).

I think the players still like and want to play for Thorn. ROD said as much to me despite an obvious frustration at a lack of game time. I have not heard anything to the contrary. Once we are settled in League 1, I have no reason to believe this will cease. I think it is fairly well accepted that Boothroyd had lost the dressing room, owing in no small part to the tactics he was seeking to employ. The opinion that Thorn still has players onside despite relegation somewhat impresses me (although I am not overstating this... it is what it is and nothing more). He is a nice bloke and seems to care about the Club. Does this matter in any real way..? Probably not, but is better in my eyes than the contrary.

His position would constantly be under review. Every position should be. I do not want failure seeping further still into the fabric of the Club I love. But I would give him the close season and see how we get going at the start of next season. I would avoid knee jerk decisions. I would play to our (limited) strengths and give him support.

As everyone is aware, this all depends on what happens with SISU. If he is sacked, which has apparently been seriously considered by the board at least once this season, then it is an unknown as to how much they would stretch the purse strings in finding a replacement. Would it be Carsley / Lee Clarke / Sean O'Driscoll (or is he DoF somewhere already - maybe Forest?) / someone already employed at a lower league club (I would obviously applaud the signing of a young and highly regarded manager, maybe Paul Tisdale or Karl Robinson)..? None of us really know, but the cheapest available option never appears to be far from the equation with SISU. If Hoffman gets investors to make an acceptable bid and take over the running of the Club, I know he does like Thorn and may well be thinking along the same lines as I am. But nothing lasts forever, we shall see what the future holds for our potential Phoenix of a football club!

There you go, glad I could unequivocably clear up the matter without any ifs or buts.

TommyAtkins said:

SISU didn't do anything to AT, other than task him to manage a football club with no resources. Which is fair enough when the club doesn't have any money.

Plenty of other managers cope with no resouces. I don't know why we expect CCFC or a CCFC manager to be special in some way.

We won't be an attractive option for any potential new manager.

Bobby Gould might be the only applicant

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We do seem to think he is special, because we seem to think he is a bad manager because he did not take a team that was favourites for relegation and then made weaker and somehow keep them up.

Given no resources, favourite for relegation, then made weaker = relegation

You are right he should not be treated in any special way the outcome was expected we should be a little surprised it happened with one match to go and not before but that is about it really.

Chipfat said:

Megson anyone!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Feck right off

The Reverend Skyblue said:

I agree with Nick, if we advertised there would be a long list of applicants. There are an awful amount of experienced managers out there out of work plus a lot of budding managers just finishing there careers who would jump at managing us.

They would rather be in work rather thans sat on there arses at home.

The Rev

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I agree there would be interest, but would any of the interested parties be any good? I fear not. We'd end up withy the likes of the above mentioned Megson applying and I think I'd go and support the Villa if he came to us!

If we weren't going down, I'd like to think the likes I'd McCarthy would apply, and love him or loath him, he's shown he has got what it takes to get a team performing. Wiles fans hated him at first but he was loved when he got them up

stupot07 said:

A no lose situation? Doesn't matter if they do feck all with feck all? Wasn't that what everyone said about thorn when he was appointed - now people on here and other forums who are slagging him off are saying he'll never get another management job, etc.

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The thing is I think he would get another job. Most professionals seem to know what they are talking about. Yes you get the odd one who has a strange view. However generally when they are all saying the same thing it is usually right. Most pundits, ex players commentators etc.. think thorn has not done a bad job in difficult circumstances. Hence I think someone would take a chance on him.

TommyAtkins said:

I think there are very few managers who would find this club attractive.

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I disagree. On at least a couple of occasions in the recent past, CCFC has announced dozens of interested candidates when the position has become available. There are some compelling reasons why managers would apply, if we put ourselves in their shoes:

1. it's a six-figure income; people need to pay the bills, regardless of what they think of the club.
2. it's one of the top 68 jobs in the country. When you consider how many unemployed managers, recently-retired pros and coaches there are in the game looking to get a foothold in management, the sheer scarcity of the position makes it attractive.
3. for unemployed managers it is just important to remain prominent and in work - if you're gone for too long, it can be hard to get back.
4. sheer hubris - there will be plenty out there will simply believe they can do things "the right way" and get CCFC playing well.
5. the potential of the club - the Ricoh will be a colossus in League 1 and, despite the restraints, it must be a tasty proposition for some would-be managers who want to go places.
6. the support of the fans. Anyone who does their due diligence on CCFC will see the fans gave their wholehearted, unwavering support to AT despite a shocking season. To walk into a situation where you have a lot of rope from the fans is a huge plus.

With all that said, I'd still be surprised if it wasn't one of Carsley or Rioch, and I'd really like to see the latter given a go.

sw88 said:

Feck right off

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Megson is possibly the only man in the world that I would have lower on my shortlist than Ken Dulieu!

An empty colossus at that, Colonel! One which if anything will make us easier to beat rather than harder next season as opponents raise their game and 8k rattle around in it. Gonna be a kick-ass atmosphere.

Nonleagueherewecome said:

An empty colossus at that, Colonel! One which if anything will make us easier to beat rather than harder next season as opponents raise their game and 8k rattle around in it. Gonna be a kick-ass atmosphere.

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...if we suck. But there's no question that we could draw some of the biggest crowds in the league if we actually challenge for promotion. That must play into the thoughts of managers who apply for the job.

As much as we have all laid into the club over the last few years, we'd be doing ourselves a disservice not to recognise its size and potential (reflected in the first-class facilities of the Ricoh) can be a lure compared to small clubs with a hard ceiling and shed for a stadium.

But when asking what the transfer budget is, apllicants will be told "everyone is for sale and you can have 0% of proceeds to re-invest in replacements": anyone who is any good will surely run for the hills!

Our only hope is that SISU stick to their guns and lie to someone good, who believes them. But he'll have to have been out of the country to not have heard about their reputation as owners..so we'll probably get Bryan Robson or Steve Morrow!

We have potential, but we have more millstones than that. Potential doesn't win matches..potential doesn't pay player salaries...potential doesn't fill the ground...a club that can't possibly make a profit is however a very real and tangible thing that any incoming manager has to deal with.

Nonleagueherewecome said:

But when asking what the transfer budget is, apllicants will be told "everyone is for sale and you can have 0% of proceeds to re-invest in replacements": anyone who is any good will surely run for the hills!

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Yes and no. You're never going to get an Alan Curbishley or up-and-comer to apply for the job, but that doesn't mean that the pool of good managers has been exhausted. Everybody has to start somewhere, and the scarcity of managerial jobs is enough to make CCFC attractive for most.

Besides, I think most managers are really a lottery pick. You never really know who will be successful and who won't; Coleman and Reid were more "established" than Black and Nilsson, but there you have it. That's why I'm a proponent of chopping-and-changing until you get the right guy - never been sold on this idea of giving a manager a lot of time; the nature of the league system just doesn't allow for it.

Thorn will still be the manager next season.

stupot07 said:

A no lose situation? Doesn't matter if they do fuck all with fuck all? Wasn't that what everyone said about thorn when he was appointed - now people on here and other forums who are slagging him off are saying he'll never get another management job, etc.

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But if said manager has come from the lower leagues to take over us, like the example I gave, then no I don't think it would do their CV any harm at all.

So you think no-one will want the job and Thorn won't be employed as a manager elsewhere ever again?

stupot07 said:

A no lose situation? Doesn't matter if they do fuck all with fuck all? Wasn't that what everyone said about thorn when he was appointed - now people on here and other forums who are slagging him off are saying he'll never get another management job, etc.

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Well it was and is still a no lose situation for him. CCFC was the only way to get on the managerial ladder. If he made a name for himself he could have got a better job, if he does bad he will probably get another scouting job possibly with us or another club and be back where he started.

LastGarrison said:

But if said manager has come from the lower leagues to take over us, like the example I gave, then no I don't think it would do their CV any harm at all.

So you think no-one will want the job and Thorn won't be employed as a manager elsewhere ever again?

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I never said that, but there a plenty on here who have stated that he is shit and won't get another job, and that this is the reason he hasn't spoke out against the owners before.

I think that those outside the club, i.e. not our fans, would think he has done a decent job with a substandard squad and a lot of academy kids. I think he probably will get another job, if he wants one.

I think many of those people will see major parallels with Preston last season, where they had to slash the wage bill from £11.6m to £6.5m, and just didn't have the necessary quality to stay up. Ours is reportedly about £5-5.5m.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...p-clubs-to-adopt-wage-restraints-2294780.html

I must have completely imagined those previous occasions when he spoke out against the owners, then..

brinner said:

Thorn will still be the manager next season.

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Why wouldn't he be.

Worst away record in Britain.:facepalm:

Worst league position in 50 years.:facepalm:

One things for certain, no one else wants him.

He criticises owners who lost interest in the football side of the club a long time ago-no job risk and lots of popularity to gain.

I thought some of AT's comments earlier in the season struck me as a 'come on then sack me' challenge to Sisu. That they didn't suggested to me they didn't want to spend the money paying him off.