Managers Since Sillett (2 Viewers)

Deleted member 5849 · Feb 14, 2017

Terry Butcher (1990–1992) Failure
Don Howe (caretaker) (1992) Failure
Bobby Gould (1992–1993) Success - resigned
Phil Neal (1993–1995) Neither success nor failure
Ron Atkinson (1995–1996) Failure
Gordon Strachan (1996–2001) Failure - relegated us despite resources
Roland Nilsson (2001–2002) Failure - didn't get to playoffs despite resources
Gary McAllister (2002–2003) Failure
Eric Black (2003–2004) Success, but here briefly
Peter Reid (2004–2005) Failure
Micky Adams (2005–2007) Success
Iain Dowie (2007–2008) Failure
Chris Coleman (2008–2010) Failure
Aidy Boothroyd (2010–2011) Failure
Andy Thorn (2011–2012) Failure
Mark Robins (2012–2013) Success, but here briefly
Steven Pressley (2013–2015) Success, based mainly on Northampton season. Many will disagree!
Tony Mowbray (2015–2016) Failure
Mark Venus (caretaker) (2016) Failure
Russell Slade (2016–) Failure

So, I think I've been generous with my assessments above. Black and Robins were here for such a short period that they didn't have a chance to see if their 'success' was long lived,or a flash in the pan. Pressley would be considered a failure by most, I reckon.

My point is... we can't, surely, keep appointing terrible managers and, if we do, why on earth do we let the people who appoint them, continue to do so? That's 25 years of going progressively downwards, with the odd blip. That is a sign of an organisation that needs to look at its own structures, to put in place those that allow its workers to succeed.

*That* should be the priority.

dongonzalos · Feb 14, 2017

It's not the managers

rob9872 · Feb 14, 2017

Micky Adams success?? Wtf?? We finished 8th one season, but never troubled the play offs. a late surge with a lucky Dennis Wise signing who was unbelievably good. Still spent money on poor players. In fact how is him finishing 8th success but Mowbray the same on tiny resources, a bunch of loans who were mainly kids doing the same a failure? It was disappointing and an underachievement post Christmas but exciting for the longest period of a season since the entertainers.

Phil Neal complete failure imo if only for constantly playing Julian Fookin Darby!

Have to confess I loved it when Dowie and Flowers arrived too. Not great football but true passion and had the rug pulled from under them.

Deleted member 5849 · Feb 14, 2017

rob9872 said:
Micky Adams success?? Wtf??

Proves my point all the more if you disagree with me...

rob9872 · Feb 14, 2017

??????

Grendel · Feb 14, 2017

Deleted member 5849 said:
Proves my point all the more if you disagree with me...

What is the average shelf life a League Manager - 16 months?

Brylowes · Feb 14, 2017

It would almost cause you to think that maybe, just maybe there's another reason for our
Continuing failure, other than just shit managers.

Grendel · Feb 14, 2017

Brylowes said:
It would almost cause you to think that maybe, just maybe there's another reason for our
Continuing failure, other than just shit managers.

Even though the last few managers we have had who have been sacked lasted longer than the league average?

Deleted member 5849 · Feb 14, 2017

rob9872 said:
??????

Two more failures to the book.

The point being, to look at underlying trends.

Deleted member 5849 · Feb 14, 2017

Grendel said:
What is the average shelf life a League Manager - 16 months?

And do we want to be a Swindon with booms and busts?

(Well, maybe that's poor phrasing as I reckon we'd take a boom, but then we've had that with 8th last season, and a final appearance this. We've never had it so good!)

fernandopartridge · Feb 14, 2017

rob9872 said:
Micky Adams success?? Wtf?? We finished 8th one season, but never troubled the play offs. a late surge with a lucky Dennis Wise signing who was unbelievably good. Still spent money on poor players. In fact how is him finishing 8th success but Mowbray the same on tiny resources, a bunch of loans who were mainly kids doing the same a failure? It was disappointing and an underachievement post Christmas but exciting for the longest period of a season since the entertainers.

Phil Neal complete failure imo if only for constantly playing Julian Fookin Darby!

Have to confess I loved it when Dowie and Flowers arrived too. Not great football but true passion and had the rug pulled from under them.

Phil Neal achieved our best finish in the Premier League era (11th of 22 teams). He had some pretty mediocre players like Darby but that was the way with the club, it bought players it could afford.
It'd be interesting to compare the budgets of Neal and Mowbray adjusted for inflation, might tell you a lot about the ruin of the game.

Once Neal left the club abandoned all that thrift and the rest is history,

skybluetony176 · Feb 14, 2017

Grendel said:
Even though the last few managers we have had who have been sacked lasted longer than the league average?

Wouldn't holding on to managers too long be symptomatic of "another reason for our continuing failure"?

skybluetony176 · Feb 14, 2017

Deleted member 5849 said:
And do we want to be a Swindon with booms and busts?

It would be an improvement on just bust

Deleted member 5849 · Feb 14, 2017

fernandopartridge said:
Phil Neal achieved our best finish in the Premier League era (11th of 22 teams). He had some pretty mediocre players like Darby but that was the way with the club, it bought players it could afford.
It'd be interesting to compare the budgets of Neal and Mowbray adjusted for inflation, might tell you a lot about the ruin of the game.

Once Neal left the club abandoned all that thrift and the rest is history,

Yeah, chances are we'd have stayed up relatively comfortably his last season too (we won our last game with him, after all). Atkinson's appointment wasn't daft as such, in terms of a general concept (he brought a profile to the club we hadn't had, and a sense of excitement) but my word, he frittered away a load of cash for no return!

Hobo · Feb 14, 2017

I don't think Mowbray was a failure, same as Pressley really. They were trying to build castles on the ever shifting sands of the club infrastructure.

I am not going to try and trump them up as a success either. Mowbray did seem to really lose his way though, but had the dignity to admit the situation had defeated him.

The problem I have with Slade is I don't like his style of football, but hoped it might save us. I haven't been reassured by his transfer dealings at all. I think as a manger your tactics are built around the players you have, until you get the players in to play the tactics of your choice. Slade has made the error of playing his tactics regardless of the players available; which highlights his limitations as a one trick pony.

What all three illustrate is it appears a difficult task to bring real quality (quality at this level) to the club.

shmmeee · Feb 14, 2017

Why was Dowie a failure? Sacked purely because Sisu wanted Coleman in.

Esoterica · Feb 14, 2017

If finishing top 6 is a measure of success (outside the PL) then only 25% of managers can be a success in any given season. And considering most managers get 18 months, then the chances of them being 'successful' are slim anyway.
For Pressley and Mowbray, how and when star players were sold and what happened to the money consequently is a big factor for me.

Moff · Feb 14, 2017

I liked Nilsson, yes he failed to get us to the play offs, but was top of the league and flying until that arsehole McGinnity, demoted his number two Richard Money and brought in the utter arsehole Jim Smith to assist him. Cue the club falling from first to eighth in a matter of months.

You think McGinnity might of learnt his lesson of employing utter waste of space has been's in a management role at the club, sidestepping and sacking younger managers, but then to cap it all within a couple of years he jettisoned Black and brought in the utter waster Peter Reid. Abject!

fernandopartridge · Feb 14, 2017

shmmeee said:
Why was Dowie a failure? Sacked purely because Sisu wanted Coleman in.

Apart from Mowbray, he was the last manager to provide any real excitement in games, some of his away wins were stunning and will be long remembered.

Deleted member 5849 · Feb 14, 2017

Moff said:
I liked Nilsson, yes he failed to get us to the play offs, but was top of the league and flying until that arsehole McGinnity, demoted his number two Richard Money and brought in the utter arsehole Jim Smith to assist him. Cue the club falling from first to eighth in a matter of months.

That again would prove my point, no?

(although wasn't Jim Smith Richardson's last act?)

Grendel · Feb 14, 2017

shmmeee said:
Why was Dowie a failure? Sacked purely because Sisu wanted Coleman in.

The decline in results at the end was shockingly bad

Moff · Feb 14, 2017

Deleted member 5849 said:
That again would prove my point, no?

(although wasn't Jim Smith Richardson's last act?)

Its confusing, but I was agreeing with your point whilst putting up a point I had in relation to the original point.

(Thought Smith was McGinnity not Richardson. If you are correct McGinnity was still Vice Chairman and you think would have learnt his lesson before he appointed Reid)

hopesprings · Feb 14, 2017

Deleted member 5849 said:
Terry Butcher (1990–1992) Failure

Don Howe (caretaker) (1992) Failure

Bobby Gould (1992–1993) Success - resigned

Phil Neal (1993–1995) Neither success nor failure

Ron Atkinson (1995–1996) Failure

Gordon Strachan (1996–2001) Failure - relegated us despite resources

Roland Nilsson (2001–2002) Failure - didn't get to playoffs despite resources

Gary McAllister (2002–2003) Failure

Eric Black (2003–2004) Success, but here briefly

Peter Reid (2004–2005) Failure

Micky Adams (2005–2007) Success

Iain Dowie (2007–2008) Failure

Chris Coleman (2008–2010) Failure

Aidy Boothroyd (2010–2011) Failure

Andy Thorn (2011–2012) Failure

Mark Robins (2012–2013) Success, but here briefly

Steven Pressley (2013–2015) Success, based mainly on Northampton season. Many will disagree!

Tony Mowbray (2015–2016) Failure

Mark Venus (caretaker) (2016) Failure

Russell Slade (2016–) Failure

So, I think I've been generous with my assessments above. Black and Robins were here for such a short period that they didn't have a chance to see if their 'success' was long lived,or a flash in the pan. Pressley would be considered a failure by most, I reckon.

My point is... we can't, surely, keep appointing terrible managers and, if we do, why on earth do we let the people who appoint them, continue to do so? That's 25 years of going progressively downwards, with the odd blip. That is a sign of an organisation that needs to look at its own structures, to put in place those that allow its workers to succeed.

*That* should be the priority.

fernandopartridge · Feb 14, 2017

Moff said:
Its confusing, but I was agreeing with your point whilst putting up a point I had in relation to the original point.

(Thought Smith was McGinnity not Richardson. If you are correct McGinnity was still Vice Chairman and you think would have learnt his lesson before he appointed Reid)

Yeah it was Richardson in January 2002:

Jim Smith instated as No2 at Coventry

hopesprings · Feb 14, 2017

Have to disagree with Strachan as a failure...yep ended sourly BUT for long periods when he was here probably had us playing the best football ever and some of the best players. 1987 and 1977 teams were up there too

Captain Dart · Feb 14, 2017

hopesprings said:
Have to disagree with Strachan as a failure...yep ended sourly BUT for long periods when he was here probably had us playing the best football ever and some of the best players. 1987 and 1977 teams were up there too

Me too, most mangers fail ultimately unless they are called Alex, Jose or Arsene.
WGS was OK for several years then he had one season where it all went pear shaped.

skybluetony176 · Feb 14, 2017

Grendel said:
The decline in results at the end was shockingly bad

You mean when SISU turned up? Common denominator and all that.

Deleted member 5849 · Feb 14, 2017

Captain Dart said:
Me too, most mangers fail ultimately unless they are called Alex, Jose or Arsene.
WGS was OK for several years then he had one season where it all went pear shaped.

He relegated us twice.

play_in_skyblue_stripes · Feb 14, 2017

Deleted member 5849 said:
Terry Butcher (1990–1992) Failure

Don Howe (caretaker) (1992) Failure

Bobby Gould (1992–1993) Success - resigned

Phil Neal (1993–1995) Neither success nor failure

Ron Atkinson (1995–1996) Failure

Gordon Strachan (1996–2001) Failure - relegated us despite resources

Roland Nilsson (2001–2002) Failure - didn't get to playoffs despite resources

Gary McAllister (2002–2003) Failure

Eric Black (2003–2004) Success, but here briefly

Peter Reid (2004–2005) Failure

Micky Adams (2005–2007) Success

Iain Dowie (2007–2008) Failure

Chris Coleman (2008–2010) Failure

Aidy Boothroyd (2010–2011) Failure

Andy Thorn (2011–2012) Failure

Mark Robins (2012–2013) Success, but here briefly

Steven Pressley (2013–2015) Success, based mainly on Northampton season. Many will disagree!

Tony Mowbray (2015–2016) Failure

Mark Venus (caretaker) (2016) Failure

Russell Slade (2016–) Failure

So, I think I've been generous with my assessments above. Black and Robins were here for such a short period that they didn't have a chance to see if their 'success' was long lived,or a flash in the pan. Pressley would be considered a failure by most, I reckon.

My point is... we can't, surely, keep appointing terrible managers and, if we do, why on earth do we let the people who appoint them, continue to do so? That's 25 years of going progressively downwards, with the odd blip. That is a sign of an organisation that needs to look at its own structures, to put in place those that allow its workers to succeed.

*That* should be the priority.

I agree with ALL your assessments.

Tony Mowbray turned out to be a failure but thats likely he just could not work under SISU and perhaps the SISU environment got to him.

hopesprings · Feb 14, 2017

Deleted member 5849 said:
He relegated us twice.

Who did?

skybluetony176 · Feb 14, 2017

Moff said:
I liked Nilsson, yes he failed to get us to the play offs, but was top of the league and flying until that arsehole McGinnity, demoted his number two Richard Money and brought in the utter arsehole Jim Smith to assist him. Cue the club falling from first to eighth in a matter of months.

You think McGinnity might of learnt his lesson of employing utter waste of space has been's in a management role at the club, sidestepping and sacking younger managers, but then to cap it all within a couple of years he jettisoned Black and brought in the utter waster Peter Reid. Abject!

Nilsson has also done well pretty much everywhere since.

Personally, if we had progressive owners looking to do a JH type revolution with real ambition of climbing the league tables Nilsson would be first choice manager to do that under.

skybluetony176 · Feb 14, 2017

fernandopartridge said:
Yeah it was Richardson in January 2002:

Jim Smith instated as No2 at Coventry

Didn't he promptly go on holiday as well or did I imagine that?

Deleted member 5849 · Feb 14, 2017

skybluetony176 said:
Didn't he promptly go on holiday as well or did I imagine that?

That was Reid.

Wyken Sky Blue · Feb 14, 2017

Deleted member 5849 said:
He relegated us twice.

Deleted member 5849 · Feb 14, 2017

/sighs at the curse of literalism and a total lack of knowledge of past seasons under Strachan

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