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Grendel · Feb 15, 2017

shmmeee said:
You're wrong. We were 19th when Dowie was sacked. We finished 21st.

His win ratio was 40%

Dowie was a really high and low manager. The run at the start was like 60% but it capitulated and we'd won 2 from 16.

Again the board also indulged him in allowing to assemble an absurdly large squad with really poor players on inflated salaries that ended up being paid off.

skybluetony176 · Feb 15, 2017

Grendel said:
Again the board also indulged him in allowing to assemble an absurdly large squad with really poor players on inflated salaries that ended up being paid off.

Another Grendull "fact". He signed 11 and released 11 players during his time with us. If the squad was absurdly large it was always that way.

Grendel · Feb 15, 2017

skybluetony176 said:
Another Grendull "fact". He signed 11 and released 11 players during his time with us. If the squad was absurdly large it was always that way.

Hello tony. So nice of you to make the effort to trawl Wiki in an attempt to prove me wrong.

Of course you haven't really done research well have you?

Of the 11 players I believe 5 of them were youth team players and were not actually in the squad at all were they Tony? Two were goalkeepers. One player - the most obscure signing in our history from New Zealand - never featured ever in a squad and was here for a few weeks.

Two players were part of his squad all along Tony as they actually were sold a few days before he was shown the door.

So actually Tony the squad was increased substantially with a lot of gems like Flopalot, Cairo, Hughes, grey and Borrowdale.

Never mind Tony I'm flattered you tried I really am

hutch1972 · Feb 15, 2017

I liked Nissan, he had us in a great position until that prick Jim Smith turned up.
He came to help out and ended up ruining the whole season.
Iirc we were sat in the play offs and looking good when we lost away at sheff wed , I think he dropped konjic that night and after that the wheels came off.

skybluetony176 · Feb 15, 2017

Grendel said:
Hello tony. So nice of you to make the effort to trawl Wiki in an attempt to prove me wrong.

Of course you haven't really done research well have you?

Of the 11 players I believe 5 of them were youth team players and were not actually in the squad at all were they Tony? Two were goalkeepers. One player - the most obscure signing in our history from New Zealand - never featured ever in a squad and was here for a few weeks.

Two players were part of his squad all along Tony as they actually were sold a few days before he was shown the door.

So actually Tony the squad was increased substantially with a lot of gems like Flopalot, Cairo, Hughes, grey and Borrowdale.

Never mind Tony I'm flattered you tried I really am

So. He signed 11 and released 11. How did he bloat the squad? Are you saying he should have kept the youth team players? Surely if he did he would have bloated the squad. How could two have been part of his squad all along? He arrived in February 2007 and didn't sign anyone until the summer of that year ahead of the 2007/08 season. If they were here already he inherited them. Sometimes you really would just be better of admitting that you got it wrong. You would be a lot more credible if you did.

covcity4life · Feb 15, 2017

he never admits hes wrong. just moves on to another aergument

Grendel · Feb 15, 2017

skybluetony176 said:
So. He signed 11 and released 11. How did he bloat the squad? Are you saying he should have kept the youth team players? Surely if he did he would have bloated the squad. How could two have been part of his squad all along? He arrived in February 2007 and didn't sign anyone until the summer of that year ahead of the 2007/08 season. If they were here already he inherited them. Sometimes you really would just be better of admitting that you got it wrong. You would be a lot more credible if you did.

List the players who left the club Tony and list those who arrived.

Then let's explore the credibility issue. Someone liked your post though.

Sky Blue Kid · Feb 15, 2017

Dowie wasn't sacked. He walked claiming Ranson wanted to take charge of the players.
Ex CCFC boss claims chairman 'wanted control of players'

skybluetony176 · Feb 15, 2017

Grendel said:
List the players who left the club Tony and list those who arrived.

Then let's explore the credibility issue. Someone liked your post though.

My god you're a tedious bore. You were wrong. Get over it. Good job we didn't bring loan players into the equation. He actually shrunk the squad if you do. We had a smaller squad when he left than the one he inherited. It's as simple as that. I'm sorry if that contradicts the grendull "fact" but quite frankly you should grow up and admit you're wrong rather than continue with this immature charade.

AVWskyblue · Feb 15, 2017

skybluetony176 said:
My god you're a tedious bore. You were wrong. Get over it. Good job we didn't bring loan players into the equation. He actually shrunk the squad if you do. We had a smaller squad when he left than the one he inherited. It's as simple as that. I'm sorry if that contradicts the grendull "fact" but quite frankly you should grow up and admit you're wrong rather than continue with this immature charade.

To be fair Tony you still didn't list the players in and players out like G asked you too.

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Grendel · Feb 15, 2017

skybluetony176 said:
My god you're a tedious bore. You were wrong. Get over it. Good job we didn't bring loan players into the equation. He actually shrunk the squad if you do. We had a smaller squad when he left than the one he inherited. It's as simple as that. I'm sorry if that contradicts the grendull "fact" but quite frankly you should grow up and admit you're wrong rather than continue with this immature charade.

List the players from wiki Tony

shmmeee · Feb 15, 2017

Grendel said:
Dowie was a really high and low manager. The run at the start was like 60% but it capitulated and we'd won 2 from 16.

Again the board also indulged him in allowing to assemble an absurdly large squad with really poor players on inflated salaries that ended up being paid off.

He either won or lost basically. Made for exciting football. But he was also manager right at the end of the pre-Sisu period so arguably didn't have the resources or stability that Coleman did.

I liked him, I'd like to have seen him given a proper go instead of Coleman coming straight in.

shmmeee · Feb 15, 2017

Sky Blue Kid said:
Dowie wasn't sacked. He walked claiming Ranson wanted to take charge of the players.
Ex CCFC boss claims chairman 'wanted control of players'

He was "released from his contract" because of "differences of opinion".

Says a lot about Coleman though if he was happy for Ranson to play fantasy football for him.

Grendel · Feb 15, 2017

shmmeee said:
He either won or lost basically. Made for exciting football. But he was also manager right at the end of the pre-Sisu period so arguably didn't have the resources or stability that Coleman did.

I liked him, I'd like to have seen him given a proper go instead of Coleman coming straight in.

We did have memorable cup runs and he did have Best, Adebola and Misfud so yes it probably was the last if the entertaining years.

The day he let Ryan Lynch leave though - that did it for me

Cov kid 55 · Feb 15, 2017

Deleted member 5849 said:
Terry Butcher (1990–1992) Failure

Don Howe (caretaker) (1992) Failure

Bobby Gould (1992–1993) Success - resigned

Phil Neal (1993–1995) Neither success nor failure

Ron Atkinson (1995–1996) Failure

Gordon Strachan (1996–2001) Failure - relegated us despite resources

Roland Nilsson (2001–2002) Failure - didn't get to playoffs despite resources

Gary McAllister (2002–2003) Failure

Eric Black (2003–2004) Success, but here briefly

Peter Reid (2004–2005) Failure

Micky Adams (2005–2007) Success

Iain Dowie (2007–2008) Failure

Chris Coleman (2008–2010) Failure

Aidy Boothroyd (2010–2011) Failure

Andy Thorn (2011–2012) Failure

Mark Robins (2012–2013) Success, but here briefly

Steven Pressley (2013–2015) Success, based mainly on Northampton season. Many will disagree!

Tony Mowbray (2015–2016) Failure

Mark Venus (caretaker) (2016) Failure

Russell Slade (2016–) Failure

So, I think I've been generous with my assessments above. Black and Robins were here for such a short period that they didn't have a chance to see if their 'success' was long lived,or a flash in the pan. Pressley would be considered a failure by most, I reckon.

My point is... we can't, surely, keep appointing terrible managers and, if we do, why on earth do we let the people who appoint them, continue to do so? That's 25 years of going progressively downwards, with the odd blip. That is a sign of an organisation that needs to look at its own structures, to put in place those that allow its workers to succeed.

*That* should be the priority.

Agree with most of these, don't think Adams was a success, and think Strachan, although weird, did a decent job over 5 years. Didn't he lose Keane and Gary McAllister at the start of the relegation season, replacing Keane with a half fit Bellamy? Accept that he didn't succeed in the Championship. I agree that Pressley did a much better job than people gave him credit for, and brought a passion to the job.

Essexrobbie · Feb 16, 2017

I will never forget Sillet saying after the final in 87 that..." now we will be able to shop in Harrods and not walworhs" . I remember thinking at the time how bloody crazy....everyone will immediately stick 50% on their valuation of any player City are interested in. They did...we paid....a lot... and ended up with a lot of over priced mediocre players on long contracts.

Otis · Feb 16, 2017

Essexrobbie said:
I will never forget Sillet saying after the final in 87 that..." now we will be able to shop in Harrods and not walworhs" . I remember thinking at the time how bloody crazy....everyone will immediately stick 50% on their valuation of any player City are interested in. They did...we paid....a lot... and ended up with a lot of over priced mediocre players on long contracts.

I thought that was the chairman said that rather than Sillet.

Essexrobbie · Feb 16, 2017

Otis said:
I thought that was the chairman said that rather than Sillet.

No remember it well, Sillet in a tv interview. He might have just been repeating what the chairman had said to him mind you , but still a crazy thing to say in public. If it was the chairman that had said it to him first in confidence or even as a joke... I can only imagine how mad he must have been at Sillets mistimed honesty.

Otis · Feb 16, 2017

Okay. Maybe my memory is fading.

Errm..... what were we talking about again?

CJ_covblaze · Feb 16, 2017

shmmeee said:
Why was Dowie a failure? Sacked purely because Sisu wanted Coleman in.

He was talking to Southampton.

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