Manc c*nts, Scouse c*nts & UEFA c*nts (1 Viewer)

I wouldn't worry JHFC. I'm sure Victimpool will get enquiry after enquiry until they're found to have done nothing wrong!

As always UEFA standards are hard for fans and clubs to digest. There is never any consistency and more often than not (the FA and FL and PL are equally guilty) the richer more powerful clubs get away with a lot more than 'smaller' clubs. You would think in this case with the two games high profile and televised with the chants being aired by national news media they could have got it right. Of course if they had taken a stricter, realistic approach last week last night may not have happened.

On a similar note...if action had been taken against Fellini by uefa or indeed man Utd for the elbow at anfield he wouldn't have been able to assault the Liverpool player last night. How he consistently escapes punishment for serious foul play is beyond me.


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eastwoodsdustman said:

I wouldn't worry JHFC. I'm sure Victimpool will get enquiry after enquiry until they're found to have done nothing wrong!

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If an enquiry finds that somebody has indeed done nothing wrong then it doesn't matter how many times that enquiry takes place.

Joy Division said:

If an enquiry finds that somebody has indeed done nothing wrong then it doesn't matter how many times that enquiry takes place.

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Doesn't always work like that though. keep on about it enough and they'll get their own way as ever.

eastwoodsdustman said:

Doesn't always work like that though. keep on about it enough and they'll get their own way as ever.

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'As ever'? how many other enquiries have they kept on about until they've got their own way?

Surely if somebody feels like they been unfairly blamed for something that was not their fault you would be rightly pissed off and keep protesting until the truth is uncovered. Evidence was there to prove this.

Right here goes.....

Hillsborough is one to start with which I think that you're alluding to. The courts could look into any disaster or event from years ago with a modern approach and apportion blame to specific things that probably wouldn't have been looked at thought about or 'risk assessed' at the time.
Looking back to the time, I think the police did what they thought was right, and, it probably was the right thing to do at that specific moment. Obviously the consequences were awful but opening the gates at the Leppings lane end probably stopped people from being crushed to death outside the ground.
Were the Police any more at fault than the thousands of fans pushing and crushing their way into the ground? The enquiry says they were, but most football supporters who went to games at the time would say that the supporters piling in to the ground were just as if not more responsible for what happened.
Doesn't matter though now as they've pinned the blame on everyone else.

But surely what is wrong is that those in authority encouraged, persuaded and demanded that ordinary coppers changed their statements long before any enquirer started. That more than anything for me shows that the powers that be knew they were in the wrong. That is not excusing some of the fans but it showed that those in charge knew they would be seen to be at fault unless they bore false witness.


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eastwoodsdustman said:

Hillsborough is one to start with which I think that you're alluding to. The courts could look into any disaster or event from years ago with a modern approach and apportion blame to specific things that probably wouldn't have been looked at thought about or 'risk assessed' at the time.

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Nothing wrong with looking at things with a modern approach, if it means identifying a cause and effect situation which wasn't identified previously then this is a good thing. However in this case it's not necessarily applied in a manner of huge magnitude, theres video footage from the time that has clearly shown where errors were made.

eastwoodsdustman said:

Looking back to the time, I think the police did what they thought was right, and, it probably was the right thing to do at that specific moment. Obviously the consequences were awful but opening the gates at the Leppings lane end probably stopped people from being crushed to death outside the ground..

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They did what was right to open the gates to ease they pressure on the crowd outside the turnstiles yes but that crowd was already badly managed by the police in the first place, this has already been stated in the Lord Justice Taylor report. They opened the gate after failing to properly structure the flow of traffic. Where the BIG mistake was, was not directing fans to the more emptier pens, instead letting the crowd head to the more obvious entrance in front of them. This gate should have been closed before the turnstile gates were opened as is was already identfied these these pens were already full, the police knew this before the action was taken. Once the crush began to take effect then the front gates should have been opened, it was obvious to see on those awful photographs, not to mention the police had all the authority to delay the kick off. We then have the aftermath of the countless doctored police reports to try and apportion the blame from themselves, they even lied about a casulty having alcohol in his blood to prove that it was 'drunken idiots'. This is the kind of things the Liverpool fans are rightly angry about.

In previous FA Cup semi finals there was always police directing fans to the correct pens and locking gates when full, David Duckenfield who had no experience of being police commander at the ground made the huge error in neglecting this

You can say yeah, it was the fault of the Liverpool fans pushing their way in but its about crowd control, if hundreds of thousands of people turn up to en event there is always going to be confusion in unfamiliar surroundings, its the police's job to do this.

I still can't believe in 2016 people are still blaming the fans for this.

1987 We win the cup and are denied European football because of those fuckers, never forgiven them. And they were constantly one of the worst behaved away fans to visit HR

Macca said:

1987 We win the cup and are denied European football because of those fuckers, never forgiven them. And they were constantly one of the worst behaved away fans to visit HR

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We did get European football we played St Mirren in some made up thing and I am still waiting for the second leg to be arranged 28 years later I can't even remember the score from the 1st leg

it was 1v1 with David Phillips for our younger readers Aaron's dad so everything to play for still.

The anglo scottish cup!