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BornSlippySkyBlue · Nov 25, 2020

clint van damme said:
I love Pele, I love the 1970s Brazil team. No Pele, they still win the world cup.
No Maradona for Argentina in 86, I don't think they do.

I get your point but am not convinced they would necessarily have won the World Cup without their best ever player. Who knows? Agree that Maradonna was the main reason Argentina (or Napoli) won what they did. All these “greatest ever” comparisons are endless and impossible to prove anyway. People that grew up watching Pele think he was the best, people that have grown up watching Messi think he is (apart from the Ronaldo fan boys ).

They were / are all amazing players.

Liquid Gold · Nov 25, 2020

cc84cov said:
No they wouldn’t unless of course they lack knowledge like yourself

Ccfcisparks said:
I’d imagine a large amount of people would agree with me. Have you not made your 15 different match predictions in the match day thread yet?

Which of you is going to be the bigger man here and stop replying first?

BornSlippySkyBlue · Nov 25, 2020

GaryMabbuttsLeftKnee said:
Can we leave the petty Messi v Ronaldo v Maradona posts for a separate thread please?

Why? It’s only discussing the career of one of the all-time greats. Not disrespectfully meant I don’t think. They are all phenomenal players.

Skybluefaz · Nov 25, 2020

Evo1883 said:

He was a little before my time but the ball just looks like an extension of his body when you see him play, like in this warm up.

Liquid Gold · Nov 25, 2020

Liquid Gold said:
This says a lot to me as well, he wasn't some media machine, he was a troubled bloke struggling with mental health problems and addiction. As was said in the documentary 'there was the person Diego, who was sweet, kind and loving, then there was the persona Maradona who was completely different' but despite his problems he was still able to put them aside on the pitch, as he actually said " When you're on the field, the life goes away, the problems go away, everything goes away". Maradona is the footballer that really understood what it was like to be a football fan and what it meant to us.

This is part of what I was mentioned For Diego, I would go to the end of the world... But with Maradona, I wouldn't take a step

clint van damme · Nov 25, 2020

BornSlippySkyBlue said:
I get your point but am not convinced they would necessarily have won the World Cup without their best ever player. Who knows? Agree that Maradonna was the main reason Argentina (or Napoli) won what they did. All these “greatest ever” comparisons are endless and impossible to prove anyway. People that grew up watching Pele think he was the best, people that have grown up watching Messi think he is (apart from the Ronaldo fan boys ).

They were / are all amazing players.

all about opinions but that Brazil side had amazing quality throughout. Argentina not so much.
But yeah, the comparisons and hypothetical scenarios are impossible to prove.

As for Ronaldo I know there's at least one other contributor to this thread who agrees with me that the current Ronaldo isn't even the greatest Ronaldo!!

Evo1883 · Nov 25, 2020

clint van damme said:
all about opinions but that Brazil side had amazing quality throughout. Argentina not so much.
But yeah, the comparisons and hypothetical scenarios are impossible to prove.

As for Ronaldo I know there's at least one other contributor to this thread who agrees with me that the current Ronaldo isn't even the greatest Ronaldo!!

He's not, and if not for injuries we would be discussing Ronaldo nozario as the greatest in history no doubt

Extraordinarily special player

clint van damme · Nov 25, 2020

Evo1883 said:
He's not, and if not for injuries we would be discussing Ronaldo nozario as the greatest in history no doubt

Extraordinarily special player

right on cue!

Ccfcisparks · Nov 25, 2020

Evo1883 said:
He's not, and if not for injuries we would be discussing Ronaldo nozario as the greatest in history no doubt

Extraordinarily special player

Agree with that. He had everything. The technique, the physicality. One of the most gifted of all time.

clint van damme · Nov 25, 2020

Ccfcisparks said:
Agree with that. He had everything. The technique, the physicality. One of the most gifted of all time.

he was like that kid at school who no-one could get the ball off, only playing at the highest level.

Evo1883 · Nov 25, 2020

He actually started as a 5 a side player.. And was scouted through that I believe.

By the time he was 21 he had scored 47 in 49 at Barca, and 54 in 57 at psv.

Just a remarkable talent.

I dont wish to divert the thread apologies

clint van damme · Nov 25, 2020

HAHA!

Evo1883 · Nov 25, 2020

Think it was Crespo that said, in Argentina Messi is Saint Paul but Maradona is God

BornSlippySkyBlue · Nov 25, 2020

clint van damme said:
he was like that kid at school who no-one could get the ball off, only playing at the highest level.

His main flaw was his hair tbf

Terry Gibson's perm · Nov 25, 2020

The greatest player of all times is difficult because there are many players I haven’t seen and different positions.

My grandad always said the best player he saw live was Duncan Edwards and my dad George Best until Maradona came along.

The best player I have seen would be Maradona, but we are spoilt at the moment having two that are so close but there is a huge gap to the next best player in this generation

BornSlippySkyBlue · Nov 25, 2020

Terry Gibson's perm said:
The greatest player of all times is difficult because there are many players I haven’t seen and different positions.

My grandad always said the best player he saw live was Duncan Edwards and my dad George Best until Maradona came along.

The best player I have seen would be Maradona, but we are spoilt at the moment having two that are so close but there is a huge gap to the next best player in this generation

Godden?

Terry Gibson's perm · Nov 25, 2020

BornSlippySkyBlue said:
Godden?

Some on here would say Biamou

Macca · Nov 25, 2020

Brilliant player and brilliant cheat tbf.
Mesmerised me as a kid though there have been others since I would rather watch

cc84cov · Nov 25, 2020

What he done at Napoli was truly remarkable

ajsccfc · Nov 25, 2020

Greatest of all time for my money

Brighton Sky Blue · Nov 25, 2020

He was to football as Bobby Fischer was to chess-a gift and a tragedy

mark82 · Nov 25, 2020

BornSlippySkyBlue said:
Better than Pele? Must admit I saw more of Maradonna playing than Pele, and it’s a subjective call, but I’d put Pele just in front. Things they could both do with a football was different gravy.

I'd take Maradona over Pele (and over Messi & C Ronaldo). Like you say, it's subjective and different eras so hard to compare. Maradona was an absolute genius. Very sad day.

fernandopartridge · Nov 25, 2020

Ccfcisparks said:
Genius player. Best of all time if not for Messi and Ronaldo.

He was much better than the pair of them

ajsccfc · Nov 25, 2020

Messi and Ronaldo are relentless and near unstoppable football machines, but Maradona felt like he was from another planet which puts him ahead of everyone else for me

Liquid Gold · Nov 25, 2020

I think Ronaldo’s brilliance comes from taking advantage of everything available to him, he is a Frankenstein of sports science that wasn’t available at the time. Messi is similar in the way he plays but wouldn’t have stood up to the power of the game. If Maradona was around today maybe his addiction would have got in the way but if not the way the game is played he’s have 4 a game. Also, imagine him playing in one of today’s super teams not being surrounded by average players that he elevated by taking out 5 man markers.

Ccfcisparks · Nov 25, 2020

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Liquid Gold said:
I think Ronaldo’s brilliance comes from taking advantage of everything available to him, he is a Frankenstein of sports science that wasn’t available at the time. Messi is similar in the way he plays but wouldn’t have stood up to the power of the game. If Maradona was around today maybe his addiction would have got in the way but if not the way the game is played he’s have 4 a game. Also, imagine him playing in one of today’s super teams not being surrounded by average players that he elevated by taking out 5 man markers.

Couldn’t you act as a devils advocate though and say that the quality of defending and overall quality of player now is a lot greater than it was in the 80’s?

skyblueusername · Nov 25, 2020

RIP D10S

Liquid Gold · Nov 25, 2020

Ccfcisparks said:
C

Couldn’t you act as a devils advocate though and say that the quality of defending and overall quality of player now is a lot greater than it was in the 80’s?

No, I think defenders in the 70s, 80s and 90s were a lot better. There is no modern Beckenbauer or Maldini. The rules now favour attackers as we move away from it being as much of a contact sport.

Liquid Gold · Nov 25, 2020

Look at the poor fuckers having to deal with him

clint van damme · Nov 25, 2020

Ccfcisparks said:
C

Couldn’t you act as a devils advocate though and say that the quality of defending and overall quality of player now is a lot greater than it was in the 80’s?

I'm not sure you can say that about defenders to be honest. Baresi and Maldini were products of the 80s.

Although todays defenders don't have the luxury of being able to wipe a player out in the first few minutes just to 'let them know they're there' and not get a yellow for it.

It’sabatch87 · Nov 25, 2020

I remember being sat in the Prince William pub in Magaluf watching that game,Peter Reid and Terry Fenwick trying to get near him for the second goal.
Everyone calling him and rightly so a cheat for the first goal but the second a packed bar just said how can you live with that!!
RIP Diego glad I saw you play live.

skyblueusername · Nov 25, 2020

clint van damme said:
I'm not sure you can say that about defenders to be honest. Baresi and Maldini were products of the 80s.

Although todays defenders don't have the luxury of being able to wipe a player out in the first few minutes just to 'let them know they're there' and not get a yellow for it.

and thats how you think Maldini played?

clint van damme · Nov 25, 2020

skyblueusername said:
and thats how you think Maldini played?

Don't be silly. but many 80s defenders did.

Terry Gibson's perm · Nov 25, 2020

skyblueusername said:
and thats how you think Maldini played?

Rolls Royce footballer my absolute hero and one of the people I would like to have dinner with .

skyblueusername · Nov 25, 2020

Ok, sorry but thought that was what you were implying.

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