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jimmyhillsfanclub · Jan 9, 2014

Interesting verdict don't you think?

Lawful killing?? Doesn't add up to me. Independent witnesses clearly testified that he was unarmed when he was shot dead.

Now don't get me wrong....He was clearly a scum bag & not even his family are denying that.....

I & the rest of decent society will certainly not miss just another scummy gangster.....but the whole point of a civilised & democratic society is that everyone should expect a basic level of justice & due process.....not just to get gunned down in the street by the police....this is not 1980's Brazil with police death squads "cleaning up" the streets......

chiefdave · Jan 9, 2014

jimmyhillsfanclub said:
Lawful killing?? Doesn't add up to me. Independent witnesses clearly testified that he was unarmed when he was shot dead.

What's the actual law here, is it just an outright if someone is unarmed you can't shoot them or is it more complex than that. Do they take into account things like the police feeling they are in imminent danger, police having reason to belive someone is armed?

At the end of the day I'm not sure what people are wanting to be done, it's not like the police themselves made the judgement, a jury did. Isn't that providing a level of justice and due process, allbeit after the event.

Macca · Jan 9, 2014

jimmyhillsfanclub said:
Interesting verdict don't you think?

Lawful killing?? Doesn't add up to me. Independent witnesses clearly testified that he was unarmed when he was shot dead.

Now don't get me wrong....He was clearly a scum bag & not even his family are denying that.....

I & the rest of decent society will certainly not miss just another scummy gangster.....but the whole point of a civilised & democratic society is that everyone should expect a basic level of justice & due process.....not just to get gunned down in the street by the police....this is not 1980's Brazil with police death squads "cleaning up" the streets......

It certainly isn't and if you look at the amount of incidents, gangs and terror threats its a wonder the amount of police shootings is so low.

I'm a little fed up of the attitude of communities. It sometimes feels that they just want to be allowed to continue with their behaviour unhindered. Sorry but there is a large part of the population that want to live in a law abiding society. The fact that someone with form, gang allegiances and appearing on a most wanted list can still be seen as a "nice bloke" by some shows just how blurred the line between right and wrong is in some quarters.

It has become a race issue of course. However when a white scumbag has met his maker I don't recall widespread unrest, merely a feeling of you reap what you so

smileycov · Jan 9, 2014

The reason they went lawfull killing, is the fact he was stopped due to a tip off that he had a gun. That is not in question, he did. He threw it from the taxi at the stop.
The police marksman fired as he got out as he had what he thought was a gun in his hand, it was in fact a mobile.

The jury had to piece all the facts together and make sure all procedures were correctly followed by all accounts it was.
This was not a criminal trial. It was a pre-arranged armed stop not just a quick check stop or on the spot shooting.

Tragic but unfair to class as unlawfull killing.

IMO

Ashdown1 · Jan 9, 2014

jimmyhillsfanclub said:
Interesting verdict don't you think?

Lawful killing?? Doesn't add up to me. Independent witnesses clearly testified that he was unarmed when he was shot dead.

Now don't get me wrong....He was clearly a scum bag & not even his family are denying that.....

I & the rest of decent society will certainly not miss just another scummy gangster.....but the whole point of a civilised & democratic society is that everyone should expect a basic level of justice & due process.....not just to get gunned down in the street by the police....this is not 1980's Brazil with police death squads "cleaning up" the streets......

I'm happy for the police to shoot all the 'scummy gangsters', problem is, when they get carried away and start shooting innocents. The police will almost always come up blameless, its pretty much the same the world over. As suggested helmet cameras should at least help enquiries in future.

Joy Division · Jan 9, 2014

Decent summary of the incident and trial here

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/jan/08/mark-duggan-death-london-riots

Colonel Mustard · Jan 10, 2014

Macca said:
It has become a race issue of course. However when a white scumbag has met his maker I don't recall widespread unrest, merely a feeling of you reap what you so

Possibly the shittiest comment in SBT's history.

Macca · Jan 11, 2014

Colonel Mustard said:
Possibly the shittiest comment in SBT's history.

Care to elaborate? I'd prefer not to have this kind of character in the community regardless of his colour, age, inside leg measurement or anything else. Disagree?

Macca · Jan 11, 2014

My family have never used who they are as an excuse for anything they have done wrong

Otis · Jan 11, 2014

I don't see a problem with the verdict.

As has been confirmed, he did have a gun and the police knew he had a gun in the cab. He exits the cab and quite rightly the police believe he still has the gun, is a very dangerous man and that it appears he is holding the gun in his hand. No-one knew, or envisaged that he would throw the gun away through the cab window.

Easy to try and analyse it all after the event, but you have to put yourselves into the real time situation of the event as it happened.

mds · Jan 12, 2014

Live by the sword die by the sword, what if the mobile was a gun and he shot the officer first? Better safe than sorry given the circumstances (he did have a gun), no justification for anybody to be carrying weapons of any kind in society today, should be 10yrs guaranteed for carrying and life for a second offence with life meaning life.
You have to question the fact that the officers were allowed to sit together writing their statements, surely given the severity of what had happened you would expect them to be kept apart not allowed to sit getting their heads together. Plebgate lets you know just how honest some officers are, the pillars of society, the one group of people you should naively trust no matter what, ultimately you cant, but do have to take their word for it!!!

SkyblueBazza · Jan 12, 2014

mds said:
Live by the sword die by the sword, what if the mobile was a gun and he shot the officer first? Better safe than sorry given the circumstances (he did have a gun), no justification for anybody to be carrying weapons of any kind in society today, should be 10yrs guaranteed for carrying and life for a second offence with life meaning life.
You have to question the fact that the officers were allowed to sit together writing their statements, surely given the severity of what had happened you would expect them to be kept apart not allowed to sit getting their heads together. Plebgate lets you know just how honest some officers are, the pillars of society, the one group of people you should naively trust no matter what, ultimately you cant, but do have to take their word for it!!!

Don't let the odd bad apple ruin the bunch for you.

henry the wasp · Jan 12, 2014

SkyblueBazza said:
Don't let the odd bad apple ruin the bunch for you.

Operation Tiberius.

mds · Jan 12, 2014

SkyblueBazza said:
Don't let the odd bad apple ruin the bunch for you.

Not so much ruining the bunch, seems the orchard needs to be replanted.

Hugh Jarse · Jan 13, 2014

Interesting verdict don't you think?

Lawful killing?? Doesn't add up to me. Independent witnesses clearly testified that he was unarmed when he was shot dead.

It's done wonders for recruitment in the area!

japandy · Jan 19, 2014

How do people on here arrive at calling this gentleman 'scum'? The police have tainted this man's character since the shooting so as to appeal to people's emotions. What could they say? The thing that I find extremely disturbing about this is 1) since when has this country have a' shoot to kill' policy? 2) Why should the police hide behind the law? Why has the poice officer not been named? The purpose of the police is to uphold the law NOT enforce it. Unfortunately people watch too many American police series.

rob9872 · Jan 19, 2014

japandy said:
How do people on here arrive at calling this gentleman 'scum'? The police have tainted this man's character since the shooting so as to appeal to people's emotions. What could they say? The thing that I find extremely disturbing about this is 1) since when has this country have a' shoot to kill' policy? 2) Why should the police hide behind the law? Why has the poice officer not been named? The purpose of the police is to uphold the law NOT enforce it. Unfortunately people watch too many American police series.

... bexausd of course law abiding citizens carry z gun around with them aee all in gangs and have a list if prev....

jimmyhillsfanclub · Jan 22, 2014

rob9872 said:
... bexausd of course law abiding citizens carry z gun around with them aee all in gangs and have a list if prev....

Were you drunk when you typed that.....or have you just got particularly fat fingers.....or dyslexia?

Hugh Jarse · Jan 22, 2014

Were you drunk when you typed that.....or have you just got particularly fat fingers

What do you call a lesbian with fat fingers?

Well endowed!

Macca · Jan 23, 2014

japandy said:
How do people on here arrive at calling this gentleman 'scum'? The police have tainted this man's character since the shooting so as to appeal to people's emotions. What could they say? The thing that I find extremely disturbing about this is 1) since when has this country have a' shoot to kill' policy? 2) Why should the police hide behind the law? Why has the poice officer not been named? The purpose of the police is to uphold the law NOT enforce it. Unfortunately people watch too many American police series.

Give it 3 years before a whopping compensation pay out and tribute concert I expect.

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