But the international never won a trophy with us or got promoted? I believe this is what you’ve said makes a good manager
Thats right, the hallmark of a great manager is someone who gets selected to play for England while with the club. Robins might not be in bad shape for his age but I think you might have yourself a bit mixed up on this one.
That’s not what I said
Do you think in a CCFC all time voted 11 McNulty (who won a trophy and got promoted) would get as many votes as Dublin (finished mid table)?
That’s not what I said
Do you think in a CCFC all time voted 11 McNulty (who won a trophy and got promoted) would get as many votes as Dublin (finished mid table)?
The day that Mark Robins came back was the start of the upswing. 23rd in League One under Russell Slade was the nadir. Never before has there been so much apathy, such a disconnect between club & fans and such constant garbage shown on the pitch week after week.
See my other reply to Grendel. It’s a multifaceted metric and any singular data point will fall short.
In other words this whole thread is pointless. Entertaining. But pointless.
Is anyone arguing with that though I'm certainly not.
See my other reply to Grendel. It’s a multifaceted metric and any singular data point will fall short.
In other words this whole thread is pointless. Entertaining. But pointless.
Yes it’s entirely subjective
I think people’s opinions may be influenced by age
I guess when I look back I’m pretty lucky to have supported a team that for 30 seasons or so played in the top flight. The managers who achieved that often had little talent or resource
That said I’m assuming the poster whose arguing on the other side is actually older than me
Curious to know his PPG. Anyone know where you can find it?
Don't agree with the entertaining bit.
Why are you talking about individual players in a thread about managers? It’s apples and oranges.
He’s throwing the illogicality of his argument back at him. I’d still argue Phil Neal achievement of a mid table finish was better
I'm 44. My memory goes back to the middle of the Milne reign when I started being taken by my dad. Anything before that and its based on opinions of people who were there & the history books. I'm a bit of a nerd when it comes to the stats & things.
Don't agree with the entertaining bit.
Hard to work out I could with lots of time and research.
His complete record is
Played 190
Won 85
Drew 45
Lost. 60
Phil Neal was a bit underrated I thought. But compared to what Robins inherited & what he has done, Neal is way behind.
Is that league only?
If so that’s 300 points over 190 games, so 1.58 ppg
That’s not what I said
Do you think in a CCFC all time voted 11 McNulty (who won a trophy and got promoted) would get as many votes as Dublin (finished mid table)?
And the reason I give it to Robins over Gould- Gould set up one of the most exciting teams I ever saw us have, albeit only for a short time- the 5 up front with Gallacher, Smith, Ndlovu, Rosario & Quinn. But once he had Rosario & Gallacher sold from under him he had no way of rebuilding, he couldn't do it and eventually resigned in a huge strop after getting whacked 5-1 at QPR. Whereas Robins loses someone he just carries on regardless & manages to make us stronger.
If you're talking talent spotting & finding players, Gould romps home above anyone else, ever.
A player who plies his trade in the Premier league is a better player than one which plies his trade in the lower divisions.
A manager is slightly different isn't it?
Chris wilder has a promotion of every division in the foot all pyramid, Russel slade managed Leyton orient to relative success by their standards but couldn't do it in non league... Resources available are the bigger factor along with ofcourse talent... Could pep guardiola pick up Southend today and keep them up? Very doubtful...
Is that league only?
If so that’s 300 points over 190 games, so 1.58 ppg
It won't be too different either way.
Which is why these arguments are never provable.And the reason I give it to Robins over Gould- Gould set up one of the most exciting teams I ever saw us have, albeit only for a short time- the 5 up front with Gallacher, Smith, Ndlovu, Rosario & Quinn. But once he had Rosario & Gallacher sold from under him he had no way of rebuilding, he couldn't do it and eventually resigned in a huge strop after getting whacked 5-1 at QPR. Whereas Robins loses someone he just carries on regardless & manages to make us stronger.
If you're talking talent spotting & finding players, Gould romps home above anyone else, ever.
How can it go back to the middle of his reign? You’d have been 3
Which is why these arguments are never provable.
Sillet would be top 2 for me, but he benefited massively from Goulds talent spotting.
Which is why these arguments are never provable.
Sillet would be top 2 for me, but he benefited massively from Goulds talent spotting.
I don’t think Sillett would agree with that!
You atre right, they famously did not get on.
I have no idea if this is true or not, but I heard lots of people say at the time that when Gould was sacked by us first time round he lost it completely and went nuts going round the ground in a terrible state, and partially blamed Sillett for saying things to undermine him, and would I be right in saying that it was Gould that fired Sillett from us?
The first three of those were signed by a manager you’d earlier dismissed as a good coach who couldn’t sign forwards
One of them actually, Ndlovu was spotted and recommended to Sillett who took one look and signed him (it woudn't have been hard to see he had what it takes), and Smith came through the youth team. And I see your Kevin Gallacher and raise you Kevin Drinkell, Gary Bannister & Keith Thompson.
Sillett signed him. He developed Smith
Bannister was ok.
Frankly if your getting into that game then I’ll raise you with
Dave Bamber
Graham Withey
Tommy Langley
Peter Barnes
John Gayle
Lastly I’m sure Gould splashed £350k on Leigh Jenkinson didn’t he?
Gould can take anyone you want to throw at him and respond with umpteen brilliant discoveries and signings.
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