Mark Robins (1 Viewer)

SkyBlueCRJ · Jan 22, 2020

Ring Of Steel said:
Someone said it’s about average, but I have no idea if that’s true.
But as Darren Moore said, this is a team 3 years in the making, it’s not about money signings, it’s about having a game plan, a structure and getting the right players to fit it. In other words, excellent football management.

I think it would be little higher than average actually. My guess would be around 7th/8th in the context of the league. Again, just a guess but I suspect it's only the likes of Sunderland, Ipswich, Rotherham, Portsmouth, Oxford, Peterborough and maybe Blackpool that have a larger playing budget than us.

ccfchoi87 · Jan 22, 2020

Ring Of Steel said:
course he is

Explain to me what part of this team is similar to that of last year, the year before or 3 years ago.

Ring Of Steel · Jan 22, 2020

ccfchoi87 said:
Transmarkt is pure guesswork unfortunately.

It’s better than any rumour being thrown around on here.

ccfchoi87 · Jan 22, 2020

Ring Of Steel said:
It’s better than any rumour being thrown around on here.

It isn’t. As you have been told above, they are very wide of the mark with Godden.

Ring Of Steel · Jan 22, 2020

ccfchoi87 said:
Explain to me what part of this team is similar to that of last year, the year before or 3 years ago.

I’ll tell you the biggest single thing that’s similar- we win a lot more than we lose and we are chasing promotion every year. Which kind of takes us back to the original point, namely despite your protestations that Robins has had it “easy”, that his job is a “piece of piss” etc, he is doing something very few managers have ever been able to do with us.

SlowerThanPlatt · Jan 22, 2020

Ring Of Steel said:
I’ll tell you the biggest single thing that’s similar- we win a lot more than we lose and we are chasing promotion every year. Which kind of takes us back to the original point, namely despite your protestations that Robins has had it “easy”, that his job is a “piece of piss” etc, he is doing something very few managers have ever been able to do with us.

So the squad isn’t similar then and you’re going off about something else

Ring Of Steel · Jan 22, 2020

ccfchoi87 said:
It isn’t. As you have been told above, they are very wide of the mark with Godden.

no they’re not, a ‘valuation’ is not a fact, it’s irrelevant when you’re seeing how much a team has actually spent, no?

Ring Of Steel · Jan 22, 2020

SlowerThanPlatt said:
So the squad isn’t similar then and you’re going off about something else

it’s not about the squad, it’s the way of playing & being able to set up a system that works. You’re getting all flustered again.

SlowerThanPlatt · Jan 22, 2020

Ring Of Steel said:
no they’re not, a ‘valuation’ is not a fact, it’s irrelevant when you’re seeing how much a team has actually spent, no?

The site you are quoting has Godden down as a £45,000 player. Do you agree?

ccfchoi87 · Jan 22, 2020

Ring Of Steel said:
no they’re not, a ‘valuation’ is not a fact, it’s irrelevant when you’re seeing how much a team has actually spent, no?

So it tells you nothing about budget or expenditure then?

Ring Of Steel · Jan 22, 2020

SlowerThanPlatt said:
The site you are quoting has Godden down as a £45,000 player. Do you agree?

No it doesn’t, it says we bought him for £734,000 which is accurate. I don’t do all your guesswork, theories & guesses, I stick to facts.

ccfchoi87 · Jan 22, 2020

Ring Of Steel said:
I’ll tell you the biggest single thing that’s similar- we win a lot more than we lose and we are chasing promotion every year. Which kind of takes us back to the original point, namely despite your protestations that Robins has had it “easy”, that his job is a “piece of piss” etc, he is doing something very few managers have ever been able to do with us.

So you can’t then. I was right, Darren Moore was talking shite.

Please quote me saying his job is ‘easy’ or a ‘piece of piss’

Ring Of Steel · Jan 22, 2020

ccfchoi87 said:
So it tells you nothing about budget or expenditure then?

expenditure, actual purchase yes. The rest- ‘valuations’ etc is for all these silly hypothetical arguments you keep trying to spew out.

SlowerThanPlatt · Jan 22, 2020

Ring Of Steel said:
No it doesn’t, it says we bought him for £734,000 which is accurate. I don’t do all your guesswork, theories & guesses, I stick to facts.

Matt Godden - Market value over time

Do you agree?

usskyblue · Jan 22, 2020

FUCKINELL

You can tell it’s a Cov forum when we’re having a brilliant season and people still aren’t fuckinghappy

ccfchoi87 · Jan 22, 2020

Ring Of Steel said:
expenditure, actual purchase yes. The rest- ‘valuations’ etc is for all these silly hypothetical arguments you keep trying to spew out.

How much did we spend on Allen then? Name a hypothetical argument I have spewed?

Ring Of Steel · Jan 22, 2020

ccfchoi87 said:
So you can’t then. I was right, Darren Moore was talking shite.

Please quote me saying his job is ‘easy’ or a ‘piece of piss’

SlowerThanPlatt said:
Matt Godden - Market value over time

Do you agree?

I agree with facts, the actual money that changed hands. You can use these fantasy valuations if you think it’s proving some kind of point if you like, knock yourself out.

Grendel · Jan 22, 2020

Ring Of Steel said:
It’s better than any rumour being thrown around on here.

Kastaneer is worth more than Godden and his value has increased this month

SlowerThanPlatt · Jan 22, 2020

Ring Of Steel said:
I agree with facts, the actual money that changed hands. You can use these fantasy valuations if you think it’s proving some kind of point if you like, knock yourself out.

They’re not facts unless the owners of the club have supplied them

You are using a site, so guessing, like everyone else

SlowerThanPlatt · Jan 22, 2020

Ring Of Steel said:
I agree with facts, the actual money that changed hands. You can use these fantasy valuations if you think it’s proving some kind of point if you like, knock yourself out.

You call them fantasy valuations but the facts you are using are from the same site?

Ring Of Steel · Jan 22, 2020

Grendel said:
Kastaneer is worth more than Godden and his value has increased this month

like I said, I am talking real numbers, actual transfer fees, not these silly imaginary valuations you seem to love so much. If you can’t come up with a view without pointing at what ifs, maybes, nonsensical made up ‘valuations’, not much I can do to help you.

Basically you’re saying Robins has it easy, trying to justify the highly embarrassing “Taxi for Robins” standpoint, saying that his job is piss easy, the bar was set low, he’s done nothing etc etc, he has a big budget, and the mystery valuations of transfers that never happened are stripping away whatever credibility your views once had when we kicked off & you were saying Micky Adams was some kind of messiah- on that basis I’ll leave you to it

SlowerThanPlatt · Jan 22, 2020

Ring Of Steel said:
like I said, I am talking real numbers, actual transfer fees, not these silly imaginary valuations you seem to love so much. If you can’t come up with a view without pointing at what ifs, maybes, nonsensical made up ‘valuations’, not much I can do to help you.

Basically you’re saying Robins has it easy, trying to justify the highly embarrassing “Taxi for Robins” standpoint, saying that his job is piss easy, the bar was set low, he’s done nothing etc etc, he has a big budget, and the mystery valuations of transfers that never happened are stripping away whatever credibility your views once had when we kicked off & you were saying Micky Adams was some kind of messiah- on that basis I’ll leave you to it

The facts you are using are from the exact same site as the fantasy valuations...

Ring Of Steel · Jan 22, 2020

SlowerThanPlatt said:
You call them fantasy valuations but the facts you are using are from the same site?

do I really have to put up with stupidity like this?

SlowerThanPlatt · Jan 22, 2020

Ring Of Steel said:
do I really have to put up with stupidity like this?

You’re giving facts out from transfermrkt.com while saying the exact same site is making up stuff

ccfchoi87 · Jan 22, 2020

Ring Of Steel said:
do I really have to put up with stupidity like this?

Can you go back and answer my previous questions?

Ring Of Steel · Jan 22, 2020

SlowerThanPlatt said:
You’re giving facts out from transfermrkt.com while saying the exact same site is making up stuff

If The Sun tells you the fact that there is currently a virus in China, as does every other newspaper, but in the same issue The Sun tells you a load is rubbish, does that make the actual factual stuff incorrect?

Come on, you can’t be this silly :emoji_grin:

SlowerThanPlatt · Jan 22, 2020

Ring Of Steel said:
If The Sun tells you the fact that there is currently a virus in China, as does every other newspaper, but in the same issue The Sun tells you a load is rubbish, does that make the actual factual stuff incorrect?

Come on, you can’t be this silly :emoji_grin:

What other sites have said the same then? You’ve only used one which has already been proven as not very reliable

Ring Of Steel · Jan 22, 2020

SlowerThanPlatt said:
What other sites have said the same then? You’ve only used one which has already been proven as not very reliable

I’ll leave you to trawl the interweb trying to prove or disprove that we did, indeed, buy Matty Godden for £734k.

Come back to me in a few days when you’ve done your research.

btw- your username is very apt apart from you put an L instead of an R

SlowerThanPlatt · Jan 22, 2020

ccfchoi87 said:
Can you go back and answer my previous questions?

He will respond something about you thinking Micky Adams is God

Grendel · Jan 22, 2020

Ring Of Steel said:
like I said, I am talking real numbers, actual transfer fees, not these silly imaginary valuations you seem to love so much. If you can’t come up with a view without pointing at what ifs, maybes, nonsensical made up ‘valuations’, not much I can do to help you.

Basically you’re saying Robins has it easy, trying to justify the highly embarrassing “Taxi for Robins” standpoint, saying that his job is piss easy, the bar was set low, he’s done nothing etc etc, he has a big budget, and the mystery valuations of transfers that never happened are stripping away whatever credibility your views once had when we kicked off & you were saying Micky Adams was some kind of messiah- on that basis I’ll leave you to it

The transfer fees are made up as well?

SlowerThanPlatt · Jan 22, 2020

Grendel said:
The transfer fees are made up as well?

It has no fees at all for Kastaneer, Allen or Jobello however we paid undisclosed for all 3

Ring Of Steel · Jan 22, 2020

SlowerThanPlatt said:
It has no fees at all for Kastaneer, Allen or Jobello however we paid undisclosed for all 3

At this stage all I can do for you is to refer you to a dictionary which might enlighten you on what "undisclosed" means. Here's a hint- its not a number.

ccfchoi87 · Jan 22, 2020

Ring Of Steel said:
I’ll leave you to trawl the interweb trying to prove or disprove that we did, indeed, buy Matty Godden for £734k.

Come back to me in a few days when you’ve done your research.

btw- your username is very apt apart from you put an L instead of an R

SrowerThanPlatt?

SlowerThanPlatt · Jan 22, 2020

Ring Of Steel said:
At this stage all I can do for you is to refer you to a dictionary which might enlighten you on what "undisclosed" means. Here's a hint- its not a number.

Which is still more than the 0 your reliable site has it down for

If you omit 3 players out of the 4 signed for fees then it’s not really the full picture is it?

Mucca Mad Boys · Jan 22, 2020

ccfchoi87 said:
Definitely. So far, Robins has 2 achievements. Winning a Checkatrade final and coming 6th in league 2.

The Checkatrade final was a good win but it was a one off game.

The league 2 season wasn’t actually that great until we hammered Cheltenham. We were poor throughout lots of it and had some embarrassing results. You can’t rank this achievement as no other manager has ever had the chance to manage us in league 2. Specifically, when our budget dictates we should be one of the leagues best sides.

I love robins but he has had favourable circumstances.

Notts County had a ‘better’ 46-game season than us that year...

They’re 6th in the National League, we’re 4th in League 1. It doesn’t matter if you come 4th or 7th in L2 if you win the playoffs.

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