Transfer Rumour Matty James (14 Viewers)

Evo1883 · Jan 5, 2021

shmmeee said:
No idea. Mostly I’m just winding you up. I do like Sheaf though, classy player and the stats don’t support the memes about losing the ball. That’s just football fans confirmation bias. Remember Sheaf misplacing a pass but forget Dabo or Hamer doing the same. He’s not really made any more mistakes over the season than any of the back line and even if he has he’s about the youngest one there.

I agree, Sheaf is a classy player, nice on the ball when given 5 yards and he's a neat player, some would call a luxury player ... That doesn't mean I think he's a good holding midfielder though... I don't think he is.

Even as a deep lying playmaker, he's often too casual for my liking... Players like pirlo could comb his hair and still find the pass into space... Kroos can genuinely create forward momentum, Sheaf has yet to do this for me... Hence my stance

He's not doing the things that separate the average from the very good

HuckerbyDublinWhelan · Jan 5, 2021

Evo1883 said:
I agree, Sheaf is a classy player, nice on the ball when given 5 yards and he's a neat player, some would call a luxury player ... That doesn't mean I think he's a good holding midfielder though... I don't think he is.

Even as a deep lying playmaker, he's often too casual for my liking... Players like pirlo could comb his hair and still find the pass into space... Kroos can genuinely create forward momentum, Sheaf has yet to do this for me... Hence my stance

He's not doing the things that separate the average from the very good

750k doesn’t buy you pirlo or Kroos though. It buys you Sheaf

Frostie · Jan 5, 2021

Evo1883 said:
Kroos can genuinely create forward momentum, Sheaf has yet to do this for me... Hence my stance

It'd be really awkward if I showed you that Sheaf plays higher % of his passes forward than Kroos wouldn't it...?

Evo1883 · Jan 5, 2021

HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
750k doesn’t buy you pirlo or Kroos though. It buys you Sheaf

Not always true and we shouldn't have that attitude, we need to look better... Leicester signed mahrez for 300k less

CanadianCCFC · Jan 5, 2021

Why are Leicester loaning out a 29 year old?

procdoc · Jan 5, 2021

Evo1883 said:
Not always true and we shouldn't have that attitude, we need to look better... Leicester signed mahrez for 300k less

How often does a club sign a player like Mahrez on the cheap who turns out to be class though

Evo1883 · Jan 5, 2021

Frostie said:
It'd be really awkward if I showed you that Sheaf plays higher % of his passes forward than Kroos wouldn't it...?

My mates son scored 45 goals in the Sunday Coventry minor league last year... would it be awkward if I told you that he scored more than Christiano Ronaldo last season

Jamesimus · Jan 5, 2021

Frostie said:
It'd be really awkward if I showed you that Sheaf plays higher % of his passes forward than Kroos wouldn't it...?

Lol is this true?!

Evo1883 · Jan 5, 2021

procdoc said:
How often does a club sign a player like Mahrez on the cheap who turns out to be class though

There are many signings for small fees that turn out great, its not as rare as we think... Maybe not mahrez great but yea

Jamesimus · Jan 5, 2021

CanadianCCFC said:
Why are Leicester loaning out a 29 year old?

Because they want to help us and their fans want us back in the Premier League.

Evo1883 · Jan 5, 2021

Jamesimus said:
Because they want to help us and their fans want us back in the Premier League.

I laugh but they'd love the rivalry again

HuckerbyDublinWhelan · Jan 5, 2021

Evo1883 said:
Not always true and we shouldn't have that attitude, we need to look better... Leicester signed mahrez for 300k less

No but as a statistics based club, who now scouts into Europe - can you show me a DM statistically as good as Sheaf, and can buy him for £750k

Evo1883 · Jan 5, 2021

HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
No but as a statistics based club, who now scouts into Europe - can you show me a DM statistically as good as Sheaf, and can buy him for £750k

A statistics based club that signed biamou and Bakayoko, a statistics based club that signed kastaneer and jobello... Come on now.

And no, I can't just give you a player off the top of my head, I am also not prepared to look on databases to find you one either.

Are you also suggesting that Sheaf is the best DM in Europe for his age for 750k, if so thats an absurd statement to make...why weren't the big boys in for him... Ffs

cc84cov · Jan 5, 2021

Evo1883 said:
A statistics based club that signed biamou and Bakayoko, a statistics based club that signed kastaneer and jobello... Come on now.

And no, I can't just give you a player off the top of my head, I am also not prepared to look on databases to find you one either.

Are you also suggesting that Sheaf is the best DM in Europe for his age for 750k, if so thats an absurd statement to make...why weren't the big boys in for him... Ffs

Why didn’t arsenal keep him either,I seen someone mention stats showing he doesn’t give the ball away he recycles play well but he gets caught too much I do fee he will grow out of that tho.

Frostie · Jan 5, 2021

Jamesimus said:
Lol is this true?!

Yep.

Kroos:
Forward Passes: 27.8%

Sheaf:
Forward Passes: 29.7%

Turns out Toni Kroos is just a poor man's Sammy Clingan, who knew?

Evo1883 · Jan 5, 2021

Frostie said:
Yep.

Kroos:
Forward Passes: 27.8%

Sheaf:
Forward Passes: 29.7%

Turns out Toni Kroos is just a poor man's Sammy Clingan, who knew?

Now do chance creation assists etc

Liquid Gold · Jan 5, 2021

Evo1883 said:
I agree, Sheaf is a classy player, nice on the ball when given 5 yards and he's a neat player, some would call a luxury player ... That doesn't mean I think he's a good holding midfielder though... I don't think he is.

Even as a deep lying playmaker, he's often too casual for my liking... Players like pirlo could comb his hair and still find the pass into space... Kroos can genuinely create forward momentum, Sheaf has yet to do this for me... Hence my stance

He's not doing the things that separate the average from the very good

I think some of that is adjusting to what our understanding of a holding player is as we move up the leagues. Doyle could do the job of kicking people in League two but it turned out he didn't have the legs for league one. Kelly was great at disrupting and motivating in league 1 but it may be the case that he isn't proactive enough with the ball in the championship. I think one of MR's biggest accomplishments is that he's developed the squad every year and to do that you have to be slightly ruthless with some players but also look at how the game is going at what is more successful. I think Sheaf is much more in the mould of a future higher league DCM than anybody else on our books at the moment and getting him for under a million will look an absolute steal.

Thing is, this whole debate wouldn't have turned up if people didn't decide any old thread was a chance to have a go at Sheaf, I'm not just having a go at you here, but it pops up all the time at the moment and there is no need for it. We don't need to become the Facebook forum.

HuckerbyDublinWhelan · Jan 5, 2021

Evo1883 said:
A statistics based club that signed biamou and Bakayoko, a statistics based club that signed kastaneer and jobello... Come on now.

And no, I can't just give you a player off the top of my head, I am also not prepared to look on databases to find you one either.

Are you also suggesting that Sheaf is the best DM in Europe for his age for 750k, if so thats an absurd statement to make...why weren't the big boys in for him... Ffs

I would argue that Biamou and Bakayoko weren’t bought on the current model. Rather than the widdrington model.

Jobello was coming on before his injury, and Kastaneer has other issues besides ability.

I’m not saying Sheaf is the best DM in Europe - I’m merely saying that he placed high on the clubs list and was within the club’s price range.

on top of that he was affordable and has proven ability in an English league. In comparison as @Frostie showed previously - he matches up well with Walsh who likely would command a fee of 7 figures

Liquid Gold · Jan 5, 2021

Evo1883 said:
Now do chance creation assists etc

Give me a second while I move my goalposts.

PVA · Jan 5, 2021

Wow, pointing out Sheaf isn't as good as Pirlo or Kroos

Evo1883 · Jan 5, 2021

Liquid Gold said:
I think some of that is adjusting to what our understanding of a holding player is as we move up the leagues. Doyle could do the job of kicking people in League two but it turned out he didn't have the legs for league one. Kelly was great at disrupting and motivating in league 1 but it may be the case that he isn't proactive enough with the ball in the championship. I think one of MR's biggest accomplishments is that he's developed the squad every year and to do that you have to be slightly ruthless with some players but also look at how the game is going at what is more successful. I think Sheaf is much more in the mould of a future higher league DCM than anybody else on our books at the moment and getting him for under a million will look an absolute steal.

Thing is, this whole debate wouldn't have turned up if people didn't decide any old thread was a chance to have a go at Sheaf, I'm not just having a go at you here, but it pops up all the time at the moment and there is no need for it. We don't need to become the Facebook forum.

Actually the arguing came about because as per, my opinion was met with smarmy comments and remarks... Fact is we all don't feel the same way about players... Example, I don't understand what a deep lying playmaker is... Actually the opposite is true for example

If sheaf can make better use of the ball, especially forward passes.. Then my argument is based on what I see, a s player that offers not alot in terms of forward play or momentum.

I dont want to argue either BTW, but you do get drawn into it

HuckerbyDublinWhelan · Jan 5, 2021

cc84cov said:
Why didn’t arsenal keep him either,I seen someone mention stats showing he doesn’t give the ball away he recycles play well but he gets caught too much I do fee he will grow out of that tho.

He isn’t Arsenal good, doesn’t make him a bad player. Arsenal want borderline CL players, we want a player with potential and is ready for the championship.

I agree with your previous point though, he appears to want more time, one extra touch. Coach that out of him and he’ll be a very good player

Evo1883 · Jan 5, 2021

Liquid Gold said:
Give me a second while I move my goalposts.

Not at all, I'm showing you what a good deep lying playmaker can and should be doing... It's not just simply 5 yard passes... It would also show that kroos knows when to put a pass forward and into better areas... That's the reality

AFCCOVENTRY · Jan 5, 2021

PVA said:
Wow, pointing out Sheaf isn't as good as Pirlo or Kroos

And we nearly signed Pirlo as well...

Evo1883 · Jan 5, 2021

HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
I would argue that Biamou and Bakayoko weren’t bought on the current model. Rather than the widdrington model.

Jobello was coming on before his injury, and Kastaneer has other issues besides ability.

I’m not saying Sheaf is the best DM in Europe - I’m merely saying that he placed high on the clubs list and was within the club’s price range.

on top of that he was affordable and has proven ability in an English league. In comparison as @Frostie showed previously - he matches up well with Walsh who likely would command a fee of 7 figures

Fair enough

Frostie · Jan 5, 2021

HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
I would argue that Biamou and Bakayoko weren’t bought on the current model. Rather than the widdrington model.

Jobello was coming on before his injury, and Kastaneer has other issues besides ability.

I’m not saying Sheaf is the best DM in Europe - I’m merely saying that he placed high on the clubs list and was within the club’s price range.

on top of that he was affordable and has proven ability in an English league. In comparison as @Frostie showed previously - he matches up well with Walsh who likely would command a fee of 7 figures

Sheaf was the best at his role in League One & a perfect fit for us. Signing him for such a low fee when his midfield partner Ben Whiteman is 2 years older & looks like costing £2-3m should be viewed as a major coup in anyone's books.

Anyway, Matty James...

Liquid Gold · Jan 5, 2021

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Evo1883 said:
Not at all, I'm showing you what a good deep lying playmaker can and should be doing... It's not just simply 5 yard passes... It would also show that kroos knows when to put a pass forward and into better areas... That's the reality

And the pass that Sheaf made into the box against Stoke (?) for Hamer to get on the end of it was sublime. If you know of a player of his age that can do that and is in our price range please forward to C.Badlan@ccfc.co.uk

Evo1883 · Jan 5, 2021

PVA said:
Wow, pointing out Sheaf isn't as good as Pirlo or Kroos

Actually its all relative to the level you play at... What they do at their level, Sheaf can't replicate at his own level, which ofcourse is lower.

A 20 goal striker at this level is ideal, obviously worse than a 20 goal Premier league striker

Evo1883 · Jan 5, 2021

Liquid Gold said:
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And the pass that Sheaf made into the box against Stoke (?) for Hamer to get on the end of it was sublime. If you know of a player of his age that can do that and is in our price range please forward to C.Badlan@ccfc.co.uk

Was an outstanding pass, one that he just doesn't attempt anywhere near enough... Is kind of my point.

The fact you can pick out his only true outstanding forward pass, is also kind of the point

Also suggesting there aren't many pros that come cheap that can't do that pass, is also very naive..

Frostie · Jan 5, 2021

Evo1883 said:
Was an outstanding pass, one that he just doesn't attempt anywhere near enough... Is kind of my point.

The fact you can pick out his only true outstanding forward pass, is also kind of the point

Also suggesting there aren't many pros that come cheap that can't do that pass, is also very naive..

I assume you're dead against the Matty James signing too?

no_loyalty · Jan 5, 2021

I don't remember this Matty James fella at all is he any good?, I only remember Andy King.

Evo1883 · Jan 5, 2021

Frostie said:
I assume you're dead against the Matty James signing too?

No, why would I be... Some insane comebacks here... I don't rate sheaf as much as you..is it that difficult for people like yourselves to accept or?

Same way I don't rate biamou as much as most the fanbase, something that many struggle to accept too

Sky Blue Harry H · Jan 5, 2021

I think that it is all about finding the right combination of players in the team. When you list Kelly's strengths, they don't look impressive, but when he isn't there, we miss him.

Liquid Gold · Jan 5, 2021

Evo1883 said:
No, why would I be... Some insane comebacks here... I don't rate sheaf as much as you..is it that difficult for people like yourselves to accept or?

It’s fine, you don’t rate him bit you’ve made up your mind on him based on reasons you’ve clarified and then been proven aren’t true.

Frostie · Jan 5, 2021

Evo1883 said:
No, why would I be... Some insane comebacks here... I don't rate sheaf as much as you..is it that difficult for people like yourselves to accept or?

Same way I don't rate biamou as much as most the fanbase, something that many struggle to accept too

This whole thread was all about Matty James until you used it as a thread to slate Sheaf with your nonsense.

The fact that you misunderstand player roles so much made me think you probably wouldn't rate a player like James because he's not known for the spectacular either.

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