Addressing activists in Slough on Tuesday evening, she did not make any specific new policy proposals but envisaged
"I mean longer prison sentences for those convicted of terrorist offences.
"I mean making it easier for the authorities to deport foreign terrorist suspects back to their own countries.
"And I mean doing more to restrict the freedom and movements of terrorist suspects when we have enough evidence to know they are a threat, but not enough evidence to prosecute them in full in court.
"And if our human rights laws get in the way of doing it, we will change the law so we can do it."
Who is?Nobody is arguing against using or changing the law to stop these people. They are taking about getting rid of every single persons rights to do it.
That is what they are saying essentially. But if we make these things illegal, people will just cry we are abusing their human rights or freedom of speech or whatever. Thus in certain cases human right laws need to be changed to allow us to make these things a crime.Again you can stop that by making anything like that illegal. You don't have to remove an entire nation's human rights.
Which article in the human rights act prevents making these things a criminal act?That is what they are saying essentially. But if we make these things illegal, people will just cry we are abusing their human rights or freedom of speech or whatever. Thus in certain cases human right laws need to be changed to allow us to make these things a crime.
No, Tommy Robinson was jailed for Tax Fraud!But without human rights legislation to protect you the government can change what constitutes right and wrong. You living your normal life now could be against the law and you have no right to a fair trial. Lets stop these twats and lock them up but not by trading in your rights. This is the act of an authoritarian government not a forward thinking democracy and it shows how far to the fringes acceptable debate has become.
Tommy Robinson was locked up for inciting hate speech, a crime under the public order act. An act which should be beefed up to lock up hate preachers for a longer sentence. Not take away your human rights.
How about the victims of Hillsborough? Without the human rights act there wouldn't have been an appeal and the truth wouldn't have come out.I'm only concerned about the human rights of the victims to be honest.
Some very good points very well put.1) The same people preaching that terrorism is nothing to do with Islam are also saying if you isolate the Islamic community it will cause more terrorists to be nurtured. Which one is it? As soon as you affiliate with terrorist groups you lose your human rights. No second chances. I don't believe in discriminating against a group of people, but the victims that got murdered at a children's concert are of more of a concern to me than someone who gets a mean stare on a bus.
2) There have been a few attacks since the election was caused. I can see it as a move to win votes of course, but it is also actually the right thing to do. As for the EU, two of the three attackers in London last week traveled here on EU documentation. The media has kept that quiet though...
3) Human rights laws are great, and generally they should be upheld. However, they are clearly being abused in the UK. Look at all the hate preachers roaming the streets. Look at the ISIS fighters coming back to claim benefits (Corbyn actually supports this). They are completely taking the piss. I do not care about someone's human rights if they are a gutless wonder wanting to destroy our people and way of life. I am absolutely amazed anyone else doesn't feel the same.
4) The victims of Manchester and London, and there families will no doubt feel as if attacks like this should never happen again. This isn't about the 'evil' and 'nasty' right wing, this is just common sense. If someone has ties to terrorist organisations that is their final strike. No second chances. If you've done nothing wrong you have nothing to worry about. If you have, you can get the fuck out of society.
This is all getting worse because we have pandered, because we have been soft, and because anyone that has stood up to this has been branded 'racist' or 'Islamophobic'. Letting a terrorist keep their human rights so they can organise/carry out more attacks or radicalise others is actually completely fucking insane.
Counter-terrorism police are aware of the attack but are not treating it as a terrorist incident
It's a worrying thing to be almost relieved at the prospect of a regular attempted murder
Clearly something is preventing it as we have thousands of terror suspects allowed to walk free until they commit murder.
I've never been stopped and searched, I've never had my house raided, I've never been dragged off the street for no reason.
If I started knocking about with terrorists and going to see people speak who encourage terrorism I couldn't really moan if that changed could I? Same if I started Googling how to make bombs or spending hours watching ISIS propaganda.
Again, I'm not talking about a random muslim guy who goes about his business the same as everybody else. I'm talking people who always seem to be "known" to agencies.
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A man on TV praying to an ISIS flag who has been reported by people from his community and has history of kicking off with them for not being extreme.
The man from Italy who is also known to have terrorist links.
The Manchester bomber who was reported multiple times and nothing happened.
Should somebody who looks at child porn or has the mindset that its ok to abuse children be allowed to wander around parks even though they hadn't actually abused a child yet but are suspected and likely to?
Clearly something is preventing it as we have thousands of terror suspects allowed to walk free until they commit murder.
Sounds good to me..........Fuck it, lets get rid of it. A bullet in the head in an internment camp would be sweet release from being a left wing CCFC fan.
So that is what prevented us locking up the london terrorist when he was going around the public park with an isis flag on national tv? Is it that there weren't enough police or was he protected by human rights law which give him freedom of expression and thoughtthe loss of 20,000 police and the lifting of control orders to allow known Islamists to go and fight in Libya and Syria and then return to the UK may have contributed.
May was told the risk of the cuts, specifically that it would leave the country open to terror attacks. Told the experts they were wrong and scaremongering and went ahead with the cuts. Then there's attacks. Can you not see a link?So that is what prevented us locking up the london terrorist when he was going around the public park with an isis flag on national tv?
Stick a copper on every corner of every street and it would not stop these losers attacking innocent people. Can you not see a link...May was told the risk of the cuts, specifically that it would leave the country open to terror attacks. Told the experts they were wrong and scaremongering and went ahead with the cuts. Then there's attacks. Can you not see a link?
Where does the money come from?Stick a copper on every corner of every street and it would not stop these losers attacking innocent people. Can you not see a link...
I don't disagree that they need more man power.May was told the risk of the cuts, specifically that it would leave the country open to terror attacks. Told the experts they were wrong and scaremongering and went ahead with the cuts. Then there's attacks. Can you not see a link?
Where does the money come from?
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Don't know much about control orders and how they fit in with human rights, it could be argued if he is prevented from returning and has partner/kids/parents/siblings in the UK that he has been living with for however many years then you are denying his human right to a family life which is part of the act.the loss of 20,000 police and the lifting of control orders to allow known Islamists to go and fight in Libya and Syria and then return to the UK may have contributed.
Printing machines...Think Bank of England prints all the notes ?Where does the money come from?
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No, I'm just saying they shouldn't have any human rights.Nick, you're implying that those terrorists weren't raided because of the human rights acts, which of course is utter bollocks.
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