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fernandopartridge · May 24, 2019

She's resigning as Prime Minister, God knows what sort of buffoon the Tories will wheel out next.

The crocodile tears don't take anything away from what a thoroughly incompetent yet vindictive woman she was, the stuff that happened on her watch as Home Secretary said that. Good riddance.

Grendel · May 24, 2019

Moggy Mogg anyone?

Deleted member 5849 · May 24, 2019

Grendel said:
Moggy Mogg anyone?

Bagpuss would be my preferred choice.

Grendel · May 24, 2019

Bojo?

fernandopartridge · May 24, 2019

Gove?

rob9872 · May 24, 2019

No idea so going to get stuck into the Betfair Exchange 'laying' market. I'm laying the shit out of the front runners hoping someone sweeps in as I can't see all the petty in-fighting being helpful or any of them getting enough support. Too many personal agendas imo.

Personally I'd like to see someone take it and deliver Brexit without a long term requirement to cling onto power. A short term appointment of someone like David Davis would be ideal - perhaps his time had gone, but they need to be able to unite the party and absolutely must be a Brexiteer.

Deleted member 5849 · May 24, 2019

rob9872 said:
No idea so going to get stuck into the Betfair Exchange 'laying' market. I'm laying the shit out of the front runners hoping someone sweeps in as I can't see all the petty in-fighting being helpful or any of them getting enough support. Too many personal agendas imo.

Personally I'd like to see someone take it and deliver Brexit without a long term requirement to cling onto power. A short term appointment of someone like David Davis would be ideal - perhaps his time had gone, but they need to be able to unite the party and absolutely must be a Brexiteer.

Personally I'd want a long-term commitment rather than someone who does what they like, and hang the consequences as that's for someone else to mop up.

fernandopartridge · May 24, 2019

Deleted member 5849 said:
Personally I'd want a long-term commitment rather than someone who does what they like, and hang the consequences as that's for someone else to mop up.

Exactly, delivering Brexit means not just the withdrawal but dealing with the downsides (and showing us the benefits), it needs a long term appointment but then I suppose the parliament term ends in 2022.

Monners · May 24, 2019

Good riddance - now its time for the next self obsessed idiot..

It won't be Gove - he is playing the long game, so will pick up the reigns when/if there is more stability. I walked by him the other day, and he is surprisingly tall!

Marty · May 24, 2019

Are we going to have yet another election?

Grendel · May 24, 2019

Marty said:
Are we going to have yet another election?

Unlikely - if Johnson can persuade MPs to get him in the final two he will win will want to be in the job for a while - it’s a big if though

Liquid Gold · May 24, 2019

Tenner on Raab

Monners · May 24, 2019

Liquid Gold said:
Tenner on Raab

Its a stark choice isn't it (not that we get one). Boris or Raab (or Rab).

Rees Mogg, Leadsom ...... the list goes on

I'll match your tenner with ten Euros

Sky Blue Pete · May 24, 2019

Would love a leaver to take over and come up with all the excuses under the sun for not triggering no deal cause they know it will be a disaster

clint van damme · May 24, 2019

I know a politicians word doesn't count for much but I read an interview with Rees-Mogg where he seemed adamant he wasn't interested in becoming PM.

Grendel · May 24, 2019

Sky Blue Pete said:
Would love a leaver to take over and come up with all the excuses under the sun for not triggering no deal cause they know it will be a disaster

Why would a no deal be a disaster?

fernandopartridge · May 24, 2019

Grendel said:
Why would a no deal be a disaster?

Where are the tangible benefits that will be realised as quickly as the obvious downsides?

richnrg · May 24, 2019

rob9872 said:
No idea so going to get stuck into the Betfair Exchange 'laying' market. I'm laying the shit out of the front runners hoping someone sweeps in as I can't see all the petty in-fighting being helpful or any of them getting enough support. Too many personal agendas imo.
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I have a question for you, as you are using betfair exchange. Currently, market for 'when will Theresa May officially cease to be leader of conservative party' has July-Sep as the 'favourite', with 'April-June' lengthening. As she has announced that she is resigning as leader on 7th June I would expect 'April-June' to be favourite. Am i missing something? I appreciate she will still be PM until new leader is elected (so probably PM until July), but does she not cease being conservative leader on 7th June - or does she remain as 'offiical' leader in interim period despite having resigned?

Sky Blue Pete · May 24, 2019

Grendel said:
Why would a no deal be a disaster?

Loss of access to our largest trading area in the world maybe seen as negative

richnrg · May 24, 2019

P.S Pile-on April-June if this is correct!

hill83 · May 24, 2019

Strong and stable

Sky Blue Pete · May 24, 2019

Strong and stable!!!!!!! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

Ian1779 · May 24, 2019

Monners said:
Its a stark choice isn't it

Anyone but Bran for me...

rob9872 · May 24, 2019

richnrg said:
I have a question for you, as you are using betfair exchange. Currently, market for 'when will Theresa May officially cease to be leader of conservative party' has July-Sep as the 'favourite', with 'April-June' lengthening. As she has announced that she is resigning as leader on 7th June I would expect 'April-June' to be favourite. Am i missing something? I appreciate she will still be PM until new leader is elected (so probably PM until July), but does she not cease being conservative leader on 7th June - or does she remain as 'offiical' leader in interim period despite having resigned?

I'm not certain. I've just opened the market up for you and the rules set out as below tell you absolutely nothing!

"When will Theresa May officially cease to be leader of the Conservative Party?

Customers are entirely responsible for their positions at all times. Betfair will not be responsible for suspending the market when an official announcement is made by the Conservative Party. However, Betfair will suspend the market as soon as it becomes aware of an official announcement.

In the event of any ambiguity over an official announcement, Betfair may determine, using its reasonable discretion, how to settle the market based on all the information available to it at the relevant time. Betfair reserves the right to wait for further official announcements before the market is settled.

Betfair expressly reserves the right to suspend and/or void any and all bets on this market at any time in the event that Betfair is not satisfied (in its absolute discretion) with the certainty of the outcome."

skybluetony176 · May 24, 2019

If WTO was so great nobody would be trying to get of it. The notion that it cuts us free of the red tape of EU membership is also misplaced. We’ll be trading one set of red tape for another and in many areas they’ll be near identical. A point that was actually touched upon on Question Time last night. It’s yet another Ferage fairytale.

richnrg · May 24, 2019

rob9872 said:
I'm not certain. I've just opened the market up for you and the rules set out as below tell you absolutely nothing!

"When will Theresa May officially cease to be leader of the Conservative Party?

Customers are entirely responsible for their positions at all times. Betfair will not be responsible for suspending the market when an official announcement is made by the Conservative Party. However, Betfair will suspend the market as soon as it becomes aware of an official announcement.

In the event of any ambiguity over an official announcement, Betfair may determine, using its reasonable discretion, how to settle the market based on all the information available to it at the relevant time. Betfair reserves the right to wait for further official announcements before the market is settled.

Betfair expressly reserves the right to suspend and/or void any and all bets on this market at any time in the event that Betfair is not satisfied (in its absolute discretion) with the certainty of the outcome."

The market went both ways after the announcement this morning. May-June dropped right down to 1.1 whilst July-September went up to about 7. In last few hour or so things have changed.

rob9872 · May 24, 2019

If they go for a more long term option then Sajid Javid, a previously Eurosceptic MP who voted Remain concerned about business and doesn't want a soft Brexit remaining in the customs union could be a decent fit - currently at 33/1. Whether he'll get the gig I don't know, but certainly a tempting price.

Grendel · May 24, 2019

Sky Blue Pete said:
Loss of access to our largest trading area in the world maybe seen as negative

How long would this actually last?

vow · May 24, 2019

Grendel said:
Bojo?

I still don't understand why Bojo didn't go for it after Cameron resigned (Brexit vote), Leave won, it was perfect him to put his name forward in the Leader contest, surely?
So why now?

rob9872 · May 24, 2019

skybluetony176 said:
If WTO was so great nobody would be trying to get of it. The notion that it cuts us free of red tape of EU membership is also misplaced. We’ll be trading one set of red tape for another and in many areas they’ll be near identical. A point that was actually touched upon on Question Time last night. It’s yet another Ferage fairytale.

If you watched QT, then you'll also note Simon Jordan's response that WTO rules is only at the outset. No other country trades under them and neither would we. It's a starting position from which negotiations of trade that have equal benefit to both sides can be reached. I don't see any down side to that.

rob9872 · May 24, 2019

vow said:
I still don't understand why Bojo didn't go for it after Cameron resigned (Brexit vote), Leave won, it was perfect him to put his name forward in the Leader contest, surely?
So why now?

Playing games and I think Gove had some pact with him for support as a two pronged leader and deputy then catapulted himself ahead, undermining any possibility that he could win. Dirty politics then and I'm certain you'll see more of it in the coming weeks.

skybluetony176 · May 24, 2019

rob9872 said:
If you watched QT, then you'll also note Simon Jordan's response that WTO rules is only at the outset. No other country trades under them and neither would we. It's a starting position from which negotiations of trade that have equal benefit to both sides can be reached. I don't see any down side to that.

In three years we’ve spectacularly failed to replicate 40 EU free trade deals. However long those promoting a WTO brexit claim it will take will be an out and out lie when you compare it to the reality of doing a trade deal.

Covstu · May 24, 2019

Liquid Gold said:
Tenner on Raab

C Nesbitt????

clint van damme · May 24, 2019

rob9872 said:
If you watched QT, then you'll also note Simon Jordan's response that WTO rules is only at the outset. No other country trades under them and neither would we. It's a starting position from which negotiations of trade that have equal benefit to both sides can be reached. I don't see any down side to that.

Loads of countries trade under WTO rules.
We'll be the only country in the world (bar one other which is so poor it has special status, can't remember its name), trading solely under WTO rules until we start get some trade deals sorted.
Average time taken to negotiate a trade deal is 18 months and 4 years to implement so we could be trading under them for a while unless Liam Fox somehow comes good on his ludicrous claim that we'll have 40 to sign the day after we leave.

skybluetony176 · May 24, 2019

rob9872 said:
Playing games and I think Gove had some pact with him for support as a two pronged leader and deputy then catapulted himself ahead, undermining any possibility that he could win. Dirty politics then and I'm certain you'll see more of it in the coming weeks.

Gove turned on him the Monday after the referendum when he read Boris’ Monday newspaper column and Boris pretty much said we were doing a Norway. Don’t think he’s saying that anymore.

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